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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 21, 2013 21:19:03 GMT -5
well i would definitely be pissed if they did that. getting us all worked up for nothing. Where something for the SEs bc it would be a huge slap in the face and diminish any type of hope they had n definitely whole bunch of DEs doing a face palm haha lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 21:26:42 GMT -5
Okay so I am not one that believes this theory that the sire bond is fake BUT for theories sake.. I was rewatching the episode where Elena goes to the lake house with Damon and the Prof is there and Elena asks him E: Any ideas how to hypnotize me out of it? P: With all my travels the one spell I have never found is how to break someone from loving too much. He never said anything about being sired or not knowing how to unsire someone which I found strange after rewatching it. Again I am not a believer BUT this was worth mentioning I thought. I personally think it's fake. I think that Elena is being hypnotized or the entire group played/spelled by Klaus and Shane. This is very interesting. And he made it out like the sire was the reason she loved Damon so much. Which does it or doesn't it affect feelings? It's like he planted that seed to make them think it does to further their plans of making the triangle on board with finding silas so they can use Elena's doppelganger blood to break the curse and Klaus gets his hybrid blood. I also just thought of something. Klaus was doing that counting thingy in the last episode and he said "12 that's a number. That's how many hybrids i slaughtered with my sword." Why would he say it so matter of fact? Like the plan was for him to find out all along. He had to slaughter them with that sword. Maybe the sword is the answer to the killing. twice before there were sacrifices and nothing happened. Nandi's mom or the council. We kept thinking it's a running total. maybe there has to be a certain amount killed but it kept being 12 and different circumstances far apart. What did Shane have to do with Nandi's grandma? What if they figured out that the sword had to do the slaughtering/sacrificing. They had to be killed by the Hunters sword. Now he did the killing so he is all down Jeremy's throat to do the mark. He knew this and that is why he never hurt Haley. Shane and Klaus are a team. Think about it, Klaus killed them and had to kill Tyler's mom to make it look like he was angry at Tyler when all along he allowed them to get un-sired with the help of Haley and Shane so he could slaughter them. This way it would look like Klaus doesn't have a hand in on the whole thing! I could easily see Shane and Klaus being on the same team. I forgot when he came into the picture in the first place. Like how did Bonnie meet him? I could easily see some of this, but I think it is more to do with the cure being fake and it really being something else very bad and yes maybe the sire bond would get them on board with the cure, but they would have been all for the cure even without the sire bond if it was possible.... I guess not if it meant lives maybe not. hmmm idk still believe the sire bond, but I guess I am starting to see that it is pooooosible maaaaybe... no never mind not possible
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 21, 2013 21:40:58 GMT -5
Ok I think I'm on to something... Shane/Klaus are playing the group.
They want Elena's blood for different reasons. Elena is a vampire. Klaus needs her human. Shane needs her blood to raise the dead. Both have motivation to do this. Shane knows who all of the originals are. he could have easily came to Klaus.
Stefan: he cant help Elena. He didn't save her. he feels guilt he has to do something anything because he is losing her and fast. Here comes Klaus with the magic answer. (Cure) He gets Stefan on board and then when the sire bond is finally revealed after they had some time to build that lie up Stefan believes it and he is on board.
Bonnie: Shane get's Bonnie so vulnerable that she trusts him and he uses her to evoke expression. he also uses her to get information. We know Bonnie told him loads about the gang! He also hypnotized her and gave her that tea to drink?
Elena: Elena has trouble with drinking from a blood bag. (Set-up by Shane/Klaus) Get her to have issues to push Stefan away to scare Stefan into going in on a plan with Klaus. Why else would Stefan go with a plan that would make her Klaus blood bag again? Spell her/hypnotize her to only be able to drink from the vein. Klaus knows so much about this triangle he could have known Damon would want her to feed and Stefan would want her to do the bunny diet. This would cause Damon to have his opinions and try and help her.
Caroline: Miss Mystic Pageant dating Klaus that afternoon. He tells her she will find out soon why he is so intrigued with Damon and Elena hence planting the seed in Caroline's mind. Caroline sees all of this weird stuff Elena is doing but why not any other times? Why just this day? Caroline explains it to Stefan.
Damon: Damon never trusted Shane. He was always on to him. he even went out of his way to find Mr. Shady pants at the Miss Mystic pageant. Shane is there. He is at the pageant where Haley and Klaus are as well. This is the episode where Damon and Elena are around each other and "supposedly" Caroline finally sees that she is sired. It so happens to be at the event that Shane is currently at? Where Klaus plants the seed? Damon will be believe in the sire bond easily. Elena already broke up with Stefan so they knew she falling for Damon. Damon was already on board with the cure and now they just got him 10x more involved and less worried about Shane. Distract him.
Haley: Haley cons Tyler into this whole un-sire hybrids but all along she is working with Shane. But she over stepped herself plenty of times with Klaus so why didn't Klaus just kill her? because she is working with Klaus. Set the whole hybrid scheme up so Klaus can kill them all with the sword which then will be the start of the whole cure/silas plan.
Tyler: Was used to cover Klaus's obliviousness to Shane and Haley's plan. Klaus kills Tyler mom not over real true revenge but because he had to make it look like he was angry at Tyler. That he took revenge. Fake revenge. Cover revenge.
Nandi's mom or gma: She tried to have Damon kill those 12 people to get the expression maybe for Silas but it didn't work. If it did why wouldn't she still be alive or there be any evidence that she was practicing it? Or maybe it released the forum of expression and when they killed the council it created a hunter "Conner" and when Klaus Slaughtered the 12 with the sword it completed what had to be done before the map was completed? Maybe it showed Shane where he was buried? Still trying to figure it out. or the witch and council had nothing to do with it and were failed attempts. But they figured out that the sword had to be used.
Council: They were obviously compromised for some reason. Maybe the Pastor knew Silas would bring them back and that by dying they would be completing a step to the whole Silas thing. They could rid themselves of Vampires.
Silas: Many are speculating that he is the one who can rid the world of vampires. Klaus might not know the extent of who Silas is and what he is about. Maybe that is where Kol comes in. Or maybe Shane promises that he knows how to kill Silas once he brings his loved ones back.
Jeremy: A means to an end. He is the hunter. They didn't think Elena would have him killed because Klaus told Stefan to protect Conner at all costs. They got lucky with Jeremy for sure!
Just a theory but it sort of makes sense. I mean there are holes but that's because if they are pulling our leg they wont be filled in until it's revealed. This has been speculated on Tumblr but I added my own ideas too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 21:41:55 GMT -5
well i would definitely be pissed if they did that. getting us all worked up for nothing. Where something for the SEs bc it would be a huge slap in the face and diminish any type of hope they had n definitely whole bunch of DEs doing a face palm haha lol if it true this will be me all day everyday brushing my hair going to school looking at SE videos here on TVD forum lol
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 21, 2013 21:43:11 GMT -5
well i would definitely be pissed if they did that. getting us all worked up for nothing. Where something for the SEs bc it would be a huge slap in the face and diminish any type of hope they had n definitely whole bunch of DEs doing a face palm haha lol Oh us DE's would love it! It's kinda genius and great writing if it's all a big fake out! yes that would suck for SE's but you all knew eventually this day would come. So in the end DE got together through this mess! But we always have season 5 and 6 for the who she will end up with forever. We had to make this triangle an actual triangle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 21:48:10 GMT -5
After reading your theory it is a plausible theory, especially in the world of TVD. I think there needs to be more power in Klaus hands then Shane if this theory is true because Klaus is desperate, but not so desperate to walk into a death trap, but yeah interesting.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 21, 2013 21:50:12 GMT -5
Further evidence of my theory? ? Ok this is really interesting ON TUMBLR But, seriously, she says “I was ready to fight you on this, but suddenly every part of my body is telling me to get in this car and leave you”. Suddenly. As in right then. As in right after looking at Shane in the window. Not when Damon said “I’m setting you free” or “You’re gonna go home”. Because some amount of time had to have passed before Elena and Bonnie leave the lake house. But she says “suddenly”. Okay, so I noticed this before, but here is some proof that Shane may have been hypnotizing Elena into leaving the lake house at the end of 4x09 and to ensure that she and Damon think they’re sired. In the first picture, you see a person in the window (it can only be Shane, everyone else is outside). In the second, you see Elena looking back and Jeremy (and the window where Shane is), before looking back at Damon and commenting on how she “was ready to fight [Damon] on this, but suddenly every part of [her] body is telling [her] to get in the car and leave [him]”.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 21, 2013 21:52:10 GMT -5
it is very interested and it would be an awesome twist especially if they show all the moments we didnt see like Shane hypnotizing Elena Maybe Klaus compelling Caroline to come up with the sirebond theory and tell Stefan about it? Klaus and Shane making the deal etc etc hmmmmm but like Teppy said I will be like this all day every day And not even bc DE is happening just because I defended SE so much haha
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 21:54:42 GMT -5
Oh man! Well, maybe he can affect emotions? lol I kid I kid I need to watch these episodes again!
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 21, 2013 21:55:20 GMT -5
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 21, 2013 21:58:18 GMT -5
WHAT? THE SHOW ENDED AND DE WAS ENDGAME? F%C* THAT SHE WAS DEFINITELY SIRED WASNT EVEN ELENA IT WAS KATHERINE THE WHOLE TIME! DAMON THE JOKE WAS ON YOU!
LMAO
IS IT BAD THAT IM REALLY ENJOYING THAT HAHAAH
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 21, 2013 22:03:04 GMT -5
Hmmm....well there's definitely more going on then meets the eye in all of this because things just do not add up when you look at it all. The sire bond did not kick in when she turned. Why not? Why was there a delay? This is the thing that has been bugging me ever since so that theory could explain it and also it was odd that Shane didn't say there's no spell/hypnosis to break the sire bond. He said there was no spell to get you out of true love or whatever, as if he knew it was actually true love and not a sire bond so that was odd. Also what was Hayley talking to Klaus about just before he slaughtered the hybrids or did I miss something?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 21, 2013 22:04:04 GMT -5
I have no doubt some people will believe this no matter what happens if they do end up end game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 22:11:42 GMT -5
I have no doubt some people will believe this no matter what happens if they do end up end game. Yeah joking aside it is a good theory and clever and there has been some shady stuff going on between Shane, Haley, and Klaus and Klaus can never be trusted. I mean he kills his own family and leaves them in boxers for centuries, but I am thinking that if this could be true he needs more leverage and it needs to be more than hybrids. Maybe he can get Silas's power when hen he dies? Idk but he needs more.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 21, 2013 22:13:27 GMT -5
Hmmm....well there's definitely more going on then meets the eye in all of this because things just do not add up when you look at it all. The sire bond did not kick in when she turned. Why not? Why was there a delay? This is the thing that has been bugging me ever since so that theory could explain it and also it was odd that Shane didn't say there's no spell/hypnosis to break the sire bond. He said there was no spell to get you out of true love or whatever, as if he knew it was actually true love and not a sire bond so that was odd. Also what was Hayley talking to Klaus about just before he slaughtered the hybrids or did I miss something? He wasn't talking to her... I was just saying maybe they were in the works the whole time... She was in on the plan trying to help Tyler un-sire the hybrids as a cover story to slaughter them!
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