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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 17:49:08 GMT -5
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 22, 2012 18:24:07 GMT -5
New being I bet are hunters! =)
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 23, 2012 6:10:36 GMT -5
I don't really get this, 'a woman is for pleasure' thing. I mean, Damon in 1864 was with Katherine sexually. He wasn't some prudish virgin boy. So I keep scratching my head on this one. It seems like a giant, 'duh' to me. So what am I missing? I guess we won't know until the episode airs.
Now for my speculation. I think Sage is going to be some other manifestation to sort of combine some stuff out of the books. I think she will be, basically, a demon (possibly succubus) combined with a vampire?
Well, Sage in the books lives in the Dark Dimension and guarded one of the gates to get there from the 'real' world as I recall. I think it may have even been implied if not explicit that 'he' was a demon/vampire, as Sage was a guy in the books as most of you know. He was a friend of Damon and had a Hellhound and a falcon? for a pet. I recall Damon having a very healthy respect for Sage as a formidable foe in Shadow Souls although they weren't foes, they were friends, but it was a tentative relationship at best from the sound of it.
I havent actually finished Midnight so I'm a little spotty on Sage and the demon connection but that's what I've read will come out in the books.
Anyone who's read it all want to tell me if I'm right or wrong?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 23, 2012 9:39:33 GMT -5
Well, I'm not getting my hopes up but this just appeared today. Spoiler Chat Daily: Hope for Vampire Diaries' Damon and Elena! What's that sound, you say? Oh, nothing. Just us frying an egg on the hotness we're hearing is in store for Damon and Elena on The Vampire Diaries. No big whoop. Unless you are a Damon and Elena fan and then you are most likely scraping yourself off the ceiling right now. Need help? We've just scored a glimmer of hope for you Damon and Elena fans... DK in New York: The writers for TVD are so cruel! I'm beginning to feel that the whole Elena and Damon kiss was the start and end of their relationship. Any scoop on most people's favorite couple? Fear not, Damon (Ian Somerhalder) and Elena (Nina Dobrev) fans! Though Damon and Elena may seem further apart than ever, sources tell us their estrangement is not permanent and that their complicated dynamic "will be heating up again" this season. We'll pause while you "Delena" fans rejoice and "Stelena" (Stefan and Elena) fans go through the five stages. It gets better, guys. Read more: www.eonline.com/news/watch_with_kristin/spoiler_chat_daily_hope_vampire_diaries/296113#ixzz1nDQvyQcu |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 11:24:47 GMT -5
I guess she means in a don't just think about them being food to sedate your thirst also have fun with it or something. I don't really like that quote either just sounds dumb to me  When I was ready the books I didn't even know that Sage was a vampire until Elena pointed it out and I'm like what really? I thought I maybe missed something when I skipped Nightfall (If he was even in that book not sure) I figured he was more along the lines as you said a Demon. He's always traveling with those animals and I thought they didn't take kindly to being around vampires but maybe they aren't normal animals anyways so whatevs! I guess at this point we should keep our expectations low on the Delena front so in case something does happen we can be surprised. But I did remember reading at the beginning of this season that Damon and Elena were going to get 'hotter' in a sense so it would feel weird if what happened in 3x14 was the end of Delena. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 23, 2012 12:09:24 GMT -5
Well hellhound's have significance to the supernatural. Check this info out. I wonder if this Sage will have the dog or falcon. I noticed the crow was in the preview:
A hellhound is a supernatural dog, found in folklore. A wide variety of ominous or hellish supernatural dogs occur in mythologies around the world, similar to the ubiquitous dragon. Features that have been attributed to hellhounds include black fur, glowing red or sometimes glowing yellow eyes, super strength or speed, ghostly or phantom characteristics, foul odor, and sometimes even the ability to talk.
Legend says that if someone is to stare into its eyes three times or more, the person will definitely die. In cultures that associate the afterlife with fire, hellhounds may have fire-based abilities and appearance. They are often assigned to guard the entrances to the world of the dead, such as graveyards and burial grounds, or undertake other duties related to the afterlife or the supernatural, such as hunting lost souls or guarding a supernatural treasure. In European legends, seeing a hellhound or hearing it howl may be either an omen of death or even a cause of death.
Then this about Sage. This was while Damon was human again and seeking a powerful enough vampire to turn him so he had his level of power back again:
“Speaking of which, what happened to Sage, Damon? He was a vampire. If we could find him, your problem would be over, right?†Meredith asked.
But Damon spoke with his fathomless black eyes fixed on Meredith’s face. “The less you know and say about Sage, the better. I wouldn’t speak of him lightly—he has friends in low places. But to answer your question: No, I would not let Sage make me into a vampire. It would just complicate things.â€
“Shinichi said good luck on finding out who he is,†Meredith said, still calm. “Do you know what he meant by that?†Damon shrugged fluidly. “What I know is my own business. He spends time in the lowest and darkest of the Dark Dimensions.â€
Smith, L. J. (2011-03-15). The Vampire Diaries: The Return: Midnight (p. 48). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.
That and the dog he toted around sort of implied Sage was both a vampire and a demon and that's what I've read.
I'm not sure if later in the book or somewhere else, Sage is actually revealed as I'm only halfway through this book still.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 12:18:05 GMT -5
Hmm that's interesting! I do hope the writers plan on bringing some of these little tidbits over to Sage's character other than the name. Also what if the ability Damon had in the show to control the crow was taught to him by Sage. And is it a coincidence that her hair is red like fire?  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 23, 2012 12:24:21 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they're not going to get too deep into that though as they have been avoiding the more supernatural aspects of these characters. But having her be a demon/vampire, I kind of like the succubus aspect, because then I think he would be more inclined to be drawn back into her world and then Elena and the gang might have to try to fight for him.
It could work in that she is evil and she was his mentor that basically changed him from 1864 Damon to what he was when he came to Mystic Falls, self serving and uncaring.
Succubus:
In folklore traced back to medieval legend, a succubus (plural succubi) is a female demon appearing in dreams who takes the form of a human woman in order to seduce men, usually through sexual intercourse. The male counterpart is the incubus. Religious traditions hold that repeated intercourse with a succubus may result in the deterioration of health or even death.
In modern fictional representations, a succubus may or may not appear in dreams and is often depicted as a highly attractive seductress or enchantress, in contrast to the past where succubi were generally depicted as frightening and demonic.
It could make for an interesting story. I guess we'll see how deeply they want to explore it. She could basically just be killing for the fun or it all the way to this sort of level of demonic involvement so I guess that's up to the writers to decide. I think it might take some sort of peril for Damon before Elena realizes her true feelings but I don't know if they'll go there. We do know he get's 'tied down and torn up,' in 318/319 and that's getting mighty close to the end of the season.
We don't even know at this point why she's coming up in a conversation between Stefan and Damon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 13:02:34 GMT -5
The writers did have a deleted scene about Matt's mom being a succubus and I don't know whether it was deleted because it was too soon to bring in that aspect or if they thought it was too supernatural. They must have given it some thought though. I would hate it if Sage came in as a regular normal vampire. Especially considering that she has Sage's name from the book when she could have been called anything else I'm already a bit angry at this whole Meredith thing. I don't like where they're taking her character, especially since she has been anticipated since the beginning of the show. It's already bad that she's not part of the 'gang' but to be somewhat antagonistic against it?  It's nice to have some references to the books but I don't want things to go completely off the deep end. They didn't bring in Mrs. Flowers as a limbo dancer or something |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 23, 2012 13:38:48 GMT -5
Well it says there's a new 'supernatural' creature so I think it has to be Sage since she's the newbie and I think it ties into Meredith who is hunting this 'supernatural creature.' Just my thoughts on that. Then you wind up with Alaric and Meredith pitted against Damon and Sage or Sage who has Damon captive or whatever and I think from what I've read about Alaric getting a larger story this season it makes sense, plus a 'new evil' in town, is Sage. It seems to all fit together. What doesn't make sense to me is Meredith shooting Alaric. Maybe she missed. It was a warning shot to keep his damn hands off her stuff!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 23, 2012 18:19:11 GMT -5
Ok, this for 1912...THE MURDER MYSTERY DEEPENS — The present-day murders in Mystic Falls remind Damon (Ian Somerhalder) of a similar crime spree a century earlier. In flashbacks to 1912, Damon recalls a beautiful vampire, Sage (guest star Cassidy Freeman), who showed him a whole new way to exist. Sheriff Forbes (Marguerite MacIntyre) warns Damon not to get involved in her investigation, but Damon is convinced she’s going after the wrong suspect. Elena (Nina Dobrev) and Matt (Zach Roerig) resort to breaking and entering in their search for evidence to prove Dr. Fell (guest star Torrey Devitto) is a murderer. For reasons known only to her, Rebekah (guest star Claire Holt), becomes interested in locating one of the town’s oldest landmarks. Finally, Elena comes to a new understanding of the path her life has taken, and Damon makes an emotional confession to Stefan (Paul Wesley). John Behring directed the episode written by Julie Plec & Elisabeth R. Finch (#316).
I don't know why but I think Damon wants to leave town, maybe with Sage. He had extra time off recently, even though he's in 319 and maybe he just filmed it all early so he could take a long weekend, but maybe not when you look at the pics and he's not in the recent ones when everyone else was filming so he must not have had to film with them. His part was probably filmed earlier as we know he filmed for 319 due to his twitter.
But that's total speculation on my part about him leaving. I just think it makes sense. What would be his purpose for staying in Mystic Falls around the girl he loves who just broke his heart? An emotional confession could be alot of things but he already admitted he loved Elena to him. Maybe he told him she kissed him in 222. That might tick him off since they were still together, or admitted that HE initiated the kiss and not her or whatever. I suppose it could be a ton of different things.
Anyone have any other ideas what that could be? Then Elena and her new understanding has to be a good thing, right? Because her old thing pretty much sucks!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 23, 2012 18:32:59 GMT -5
Oh! I just read this, too:
ian somerhalder@iansomerhalder
traveling circus-TVD on location.
That might back up my theory. OR Rebekah might be looking for that tree, but it should be nearby there in MF.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 21:11:57 GMT -5
Yeah about Damon's emotional confession we know it's not romantic in the sense since practically everyone and their second cousin by now knows Damon loves Elena Your leaving town theory could be a good one. But do you mean as in Damon would be offscreen completely like they've done with Jeremy and Tyler or out of town and it'll still show him on screen like when he was out of town with Kat? Though I wonder why he's making this emotional confession to Stefan. In the past he's made confessions of sorts but they were always to compelled strangers i.e. Andie and Jessica. Now going back to the leaving town thing I'm not sure if Stefan would even take that lightly. He might not want Damon to leave if we go by how things have been so far You know I've been waiting for Elena's new understanding since season 2! I've read so many spoilers ago where Elena was supposed to come to some new understanding especially regarding her relationship with the Salvatores but nothing freaking changed. I hope this time her mind actually does change. I think her new understanding should be, "All my plans go horribly wrong. I should stop coming up with them!"  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 23, 2012 22:50:18 GMT -5
Sheesh, I know. I can't even believe if she really cares about Damon that she'd just so casually decide for Stefan to break Damon's neck so she could make one of her failed decisions. Bah!
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Post by LovingDamon4Ever on Feb 24, 2012 4:06:20 GMT -5
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TCH. God F 
