Season 4 Episode 4 - The Five

[Doppelgänger]

It's supposed to be 1100ish I believe. I saw a video of the clothing designer and she said the clothes are not really athentic to the time but close and Klaus just looked good in that jacket...

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Episode pissed me off. Bekah got boxed again and manipulated (the girl has to learn). Seeing Stefan get in her way pissed me off more as it was kind of building up over the episode, especially with him playing the card that they could start a 'clean slate' and that he'd work on Matt to get him talking to her again. Matt was being dickish, Stefan & Klaus are plotting behind everyone's backs (and using Jeremy then wiping him clean), Bonnie being her usual judgy self and Elena snapping out of it with Damon when he's trying to help her feed since you know, she has feeding problems.

I like the stuff about the Five being revealed though. Witches are involved which is no surprise and the daggers came from whatever Witches helped make the Five. My problem is why the spell on the daggers that will kill any supe that uses them on a Vampire? Seems stupid now. And we find out that Bekah had a thing with Alexander and was willing to run off from the family with him but that blew up in her face: Alexander daggered them all that night and it was when Klaus found out he was protected from the dagger. Ended up killing the Five but the power seems to have passed on (under the radar) over the past 900 years and has found a way to hide itself (most likely the Witches helping out there) till this long drawn out plan seems to line up. If all 5 members have to kill enough Vampires to complete each part of their map and if the 5 don't even know about each other + need the sword...who the hell is orchestrating all this? The Professor?

I don't like the idea that they're playing with the Vampire to Human thing again. I also find it insanely stupid that they seem to forget that Esther's plan involved turning them (or Finn) human. This isn't new. Stefan has his eye on Elena and himself possibly being human again and we know what Klaus' gain is. I'm sick of Klaus' Hybrid fixation/storyline. Drop it already. I gather Stefan will do one better to protect Elena by offering up Katherine after helping Klaus just so he can keep Elena safe. Don't like the shadiness of it all though. Klaus telling him this was bigger than family bonds.

Didn't like Bonnie this episode but what else is new? Figure where this'll head with her and Caroline if she gets told. Stefan already knows and knows Elena 'hated' it...or so she says. Whatever.

But really, Bekah's emotions being taken advantage of, are we supposed to believe that? Again? This is like the 5th goddamn time. She's putting Elijah's record of deaths to shame now.

[Ruby2579]

So this episode was ehhh to me. I would have to agree with the anti stefan this week. I thought he would actually defend bekah. And also i think he should tell Elena about the cure. She should have a say about the pros and cons about her being human again. Klaus' bloodbag etc

AND we all know that chick liked every minute of feeding.

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Since Klaus told him to put Bekah away, I think he'll find some 'remorse' later on and be the one to revive her or someone else will stumble on her and Stefan will be caught red handed. Either way, he hurt Bekah and deserves to burn in hell.

I also think Elena should be brought up on this. So much for her 'choices'. I'm sure she'd like to be human again but once again, we know what Klaus is getting out of it. The other option is finding Katherine and turning her human again too and handing her over to Klaus but can Elena & Co. do that and not feel bad?

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I like the whole concept with the five and their body being a map but I'm surprised that they're going with the cure to vampirism route. Of course I doubt anyone is going to flip flop back to being a human unless that's what the cliffhanger of the season is going to be about.

Edit: I'd like to see them even try to catch Kat. She always makes it a habit to steer clear of Klaus

Stefan probably isn't bother to tell Elena because he knows that she really never wanted to be a vampire anyways, given her speech in 2x20. Although keeping this Klaus diabolical plan from both Elena and Damon may backfire eventually.

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I liked the whole Five backstory up until the 'change them human' thing got said. When I heard that, I literally had a flash fantasy where I was waiting outside of JP's house asking where the bitch was with a copy of the Ep 4 script rolled up and ready to beat her within an inch of her life with it. I'm that mad they played that card.

So these Vampire Hunters, created by Witches, who's end goal is to turn Vampires human again, must kill x amount of Vampires between the 5 of them to reveal the entirety of the map to locate this ultimate weapon? The f*** are Witches smoking? Why the complication to it all? You have the 5, you've given them some power, the Sword and you 'hide' the ultimate weapon for doing away with what you created them for on a map that reveals itself with the life of Vampires. These people would complicate making a PB&J sandwich. Bread, Peanut Butter and Jelly, the order is interchangeable/doesn't matter, another slice of bread. Done. The Moonstone thing made sense for Klaus but this? Not necessary. Dumbasses.

I had some other angry stuff to say but it's slipped my mind for the moment...just for the moment...

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Seeing as how Klaus did away with Alex (and how he got Connor all tied up) these hunters aren't all suped up as they can be. They always have to be one step ahead but if a vampire gets the drop on them that's it.

The complication of the cure is a bit funny though. They could be like Connor and not know anything of their heritage and go around like it's nothing and you end up in a situation with 900 years and no one's found nothing.

Although I guess it was either do it this way or pull and Esther and harness so much power to wind up practically dead.

Also there would probably just be an endless loop without that 'cure' to fall back on. They could kill one vampire and in the amount of time it takes them another ten could be made. There's only five of them. It'd just go on forever. Might as well give everyone a set amount to kill and unlock the vampire cure to put an end to it once and for all.

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That's what makes this so much more...odd. Hunters created to take on Vampires, they know about the Originals, and Klaus cleans house with all 5 of them. Did they not get super speed/strength to help level the field or what? I guess that explains why Esther went to such extremes with Alaric cause the first Hunters that were made by Witches failed so hard.

There has to be someone in the 'know' to fill in the Hunters about that tattoo. A Witch or someone. After those 5 died and their power passed on (and found a way to protect the bearer) someone had to have popped up and explained it. I'm guessing the Witch that created them, as a Spirit, did so with her bloodline or something. I wouldn't be surprised though if the Five have never been together again since that night Klaus killed them all.

This also throws the idea out the window that Alexander is still alive and would show back up. Nope. Klaus took out his tongue and impaled him with his own sword.

And it wouldn't be endless if they tracked down the Originals. That was obviously their end game as they were given the daggers to put the Originals down and to keep them on hand until they killed enough lesser Vampires to get the weapon to use on the Originals and turn Vampires back human. Exchange the 'turn to human' purpose of the weapon with simply a 'kill' one and you get the White Oak situation where they wipe them all out. I guess this shows some humane foresight of the Hunters and Witches though that they would want to save all those turned. Just makes Esther's plan look radical/extreme in comparison cause she was going to kill them all (so...did the Witches have a change of heart and just said so be it?).

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I was also wondering whether the tattoo would kill the hunter when it becomes a full map. Or if it would kill them after they're all gathered with their full maps and some sort of ritual has to occur where they die before the cure could be unlocked. I don't know something about the way Connor looked at his arm and the tattoo getting bigger made me think that.

Also the witches probably didn't supe them up because they didn't think it was necessary. Alex pretty much had them all it was just Klaus and his 'werewolf' gene that through him for a loop. Also on that end is that a plot hole? Klaus didn't unlock his werewolf side of him at that time yet so even if the gene is dormant he's still part werewolf?

Or maybe the ritual with Elena was just so he could shift into the the wolf then.

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Apparently despite his Wolf being locked away (inability to turn and become a 'true' Hybrid at the time), he did have the perk of his Wolf side/heritage protecting him from Silver. I think it's just an innate immunity.

Witches probably didn't supe them up because they didn't want to tinker with the balance anymore. Pfft. Professor said they were the 'Architects of the Supernatural' so if they're the ones busy creating all these things, they're pretty much free to dictate what is 'balanced' and 'unbalanced'. Esther creating Vampires wasn't in their grand plan so it makes sense where she got the spell from if Witches have been playing 'Maker' for whoever knows how long to however many other supernatural species.

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The witches should have did something like a protective shield on them like one of Klaus' witches did for him when he was in Alaric's body. I mean it kind of seemed like after the witch cast that ritual a week later they're all dead

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The Witch that setup the Hunters was probably a Bennett. With the Professor link, I assume he's trying to get a descendent to help in the spell once the 5 complete the map. That's why he's offering her another source of power. Wouldn't put it past them that the Witch who created the Hunters probably used her sacrifice as well to create another source of power (something the Hunters can draw from) that Bonnie can tap.

[originalfamily]

this ep pisssed me off. Again! Really!! and yes I agree with everyone, I am mad at Stefan not defend Rebehak. I mean, look at the way Klaus treat her and the harsh words he said to her this ep.
I just dont get it, how the hell do they have to sacrified everyone just to safe Elena. Stupid!!

and the scene between Damon and Elena at the part. Boring and I dont really care about it at all.

I love Rebehak this ep.. I feel for her. Hopefully she will be back.

[delena4eva]

I didn't like this episode. So not worth staying up late after getting out of school to watch it and getting up early for work without getting much sleep. I hate the whole cure thing (yawn. Boring) I don't want Elena to turn back human. I dont like how they made the five be about that. I was disappointed in the way she treated Damon. I feel like we are going backwards again.

I've come to realize that I enjoy Stefan so much more when he is interacting with Klaus ( except I don't like how they tricked Rebekah). I want ripper Stefan back! And I want Katherine and Elijah back!

[originalfamily]

I also don't like the way Elena treat Damon as always. She is using him.

BTW ,Conner is pretty hot and his body