Compulsion Comparisons?

[mysticangel]

It was Mary who turned Rose, and Rose who turned Katherine. Sage was, I think, the first vampire who was turned by Finn.

We still don't know who among the originals is actually responsible for their bloodline, although I'd laugh to death if it winds up being Kol at this point (because it would explain Stefan's ripper/loss of control side and Damon's general gleeful dickery). It may also explain why going off blood for so long has something to do with a loss of ability to compel... Kol was daggered for a very long time and he may have had some apprehensions about trying to compel so soon after being allowed back among the living. Still, there is some history there between Damon and Kol that Kol doesn't seem to want coming up... I'm kinda hoping Klaus' reveal about Stefan in the coming episode is related to the Kol/Damon interactions, especially as Klaus is supposed to ask Damon for some personal advice.

I also lol'ed at Kol trolling his big brother by sending Damon to kill Jeremy and following Klaus' instructions word for word. Damon and Kol would've made a hell of a psychotic team back in the day, if they weren't busy trying to tear each others' throats open. Maybe when Katherine gets back she can team up with Kol to terrorize MF.

[Doppelgänger]

It was supposed to be shown during Dangerous Liasons that Damon did know Kol at one point, however they dropped the storyline, so they had a history, but if that history had included compulsion, it would have broken the moment Kol was daggered.

[mysticangel]

Jan 29, 2013 15:38:39 GMT -5 Doppelgänger said:

It was supposed to be shown during Dangerous Liasons that Damon did know Kol at one point, however they dropped the storyline, so they had a history, but if that history had included compulsion, it would have broken the moment Kol was daggered.

That might be true, but it's interesting that they decided to keep the scenes between Kol/Damon with Damon starting to 'remember' his past with Kol, even if he doesn't remember the specifics. The actor who still plays Kol still seems to be acting nervous or not quite sure of himself around Damon (which is incredibly OOC for Kol), so I'm thinking that there's still something between the two we haven't seen yet that we may see.

Kol getting daggered would've broken any compulsion hold Kol had over Damon (assuming they at least keep to that part of compulsion mechanics), true, I still can't help but look at how Kol was portrayed in this last episode and think that maybe there's something more to Damon resisting Kol's compulsion than was apparent at first glance. Same with Stefan being able to go up against Klaus.

[Ruby2579]

BUT THE whole Compulsion thing wouldn't work with Damon about the past because if KOL and Damon met before in the past it had to be before Klaus Daggered him so the only compulsion to die off would be the one that was placed about killing jeremy

[mysticangel]

Unless someone let Kol out of the box and failed to let the rest of the Originals know. THAT would make for one angry Klaus...

[Ruby2579]

I doubt it because Klaus had all of them hidden and Kol was undaggered when Elijah came back and when Esther came back

[mysticangel]

If there was a Damon compulsion that happened, it might've occurred right around the time Katherine was supposed to be entombed. Klaus was so busy searching for Katherine that I doubt he'd have noticed someone tampering with his 'family', even temporarily. If, say, Elijah needed Kol for something, I have no qualms about him letting Kol up and then putting him back down again- although you'd think Kol would've remembered something like that and gone after Elijah.

That's the trouble with the show, though. They do so many compulsions and sire bonds and family ties that it's difficult to track who did what off screen. Still, I'd be ok with Damon and Kol having a history- because it was initially written into the script that it was there and they didn't remove the acting hinting at it.

[Ruby2579]

Well Elijah separated from klaus I think after the whole Katherine thing from what I saw and didn't know where his siblings were. Klaus had told Elijah they were scattered around the Atlantic ocean

[mysticangel]

While I don't know the exact specifics of what Elijah's relationship was with Klaus in their post-Katherine period, I'm not entirely certain that Elijah would have trusted his brother's words. Women tend to complicate things, especially when there are two males in the picture vying for her affection. The story they gave the Salvatores was a *very* abridged version of what really happened when Katherine fled.

[Slash]

I don't think Elijah would have daggered a family member by his own hand. Seems out of character as he seems to be the most upstanding of the bunch. Klaus is another story but we probably still need the history between the main 3. Where was Bekah during the Katherine days when Klaus & Elijah first met her (not casted, right?)? Finn was daggered some 900 years ago while everyone else was up and about so did no one know where he was after the 'inner circle' split or did they just not care as they scattered (Kol went wherever he went and the main trio stayed mostly together although we have limited interaction between Elijah & Bekah as it's always Klaus being the counterpart in the trio).

As for letting him up and putting him back down, if Elijah found Kol at the time, he'd have found Finn too. Why wake up one unless the group was that concerned with Finn's disposition about them being immortal/vampires now. And Klaus was running from Elijah/didn't want him in the picture at all so...like I said, we need more on how all of this went down (why Kol was daggered for instance: we know why Bekah was and we know Finn's attitude but what did Kol do to piss off Klaus?).

There is a lot of backstory for this show that isn't explained at all or so vaguely that it leaves you pissed off that they'll never get around to it (Damon's history, the Bennett history, Stefan's history as the Ripper, the various Originals, the Doppelgangers, the Werewolf origins since it's a curse and Shane called Witches the architects of the supernatural, etc.).

[mysticangel]

Slash is right. We are missing so much back story on several of the characters in the show that it is very difficult to rule out anything concerning their past actions, save anything that's been shown to us.

I do think, however, that Elijah is just as capable of manipulating Klaus as Klaus is Elijah. And that the two had a lot more animosity towards one another than they were going to show in front of the Salvatores at a dinner table when discussing their past (united front and all of that). With Elijah wanting to keep his 'morals' intact, the only thing keeping him from slitting Klaus' throat with a white oak stake was probably the fact that he was family.

Probably one of the reasons JP decided to leave in the hints about Damon and Kol, despite scrapping that particular storyline in TVD, is because it'll get showcased at some point on The Originals.

[Slash]

Flashback on the Originals with Damon as a guest character. Easy way to bring in viewers.

I think we'll get a look at that in the Originals. From what was posted in one of the other threads, apparently Elijah may be teaming up with Marcel's (Klaus protege/prodigy/whatever which is scary to think of Klaus having someone like that unless Klaus has shown the guy an entirely different side like he's done with his Witches) enemies to teach Klaus a lesson or something. So it does sound like Elijah will be playing his own hand in getting Klaus to reform/do certain things and I think he's due back before the 'backdoor pilot' anyways so he may be setting all this up to get Klaus out of MF.