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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 18:27:47 GMT -5
Elena having feelings for Damon is rarely in question, but her lack of feelings for Stefan during that same time is what is in major question. The fact that she was able to cross the line from loving Damon to being in love with Damon and feeling nothing for Stefan was obviously induced by the sirebond. The timing & and the sudden intensity just screams sirebond. Yes, I think Elena loves Damon and I think that is why the sirebond existed BUT---- JP said this Elena is truthful and I saw this on tumblr somewhere
Elena to Stefan- I shut it all off including my feelings for you Elena to Damon- I feel nothing for you Damon
I think that was a purposeful difference.
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Post by BonniesBoy on Apr 20, 2013 4:00:07 GMT -5
I think Elena loves them both. Seeing her be cold to Stefan sucks though. I honestly feel like in the show, Stefan is the one for her. They've been through so much. But Damon is vindictive. He'll get what he wants or people will suffer.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 20, 2013 9:28:12 GMT -5
She feels nothing for both of them right now or even any of her friends. Due to that, there's nothing to read into any of what she says. It IS true she feels nothing for Damon (right now) and feels nothing about the memories of her feelings for Stefan as well (right now). She shut off her feelings. The only thing she felt was at the very end, fear, when she cried out to Damon to help her in that moment of fear. Now the boys will work on that fear and try to get her to flip the switch with that. They both acknowledged it was there so I guess it was.
I don't see it working, though, since she knows they won't really hurt her and the synopsis says she calls their bluff. So, I'm thinking they'll have to bring someone else in to do it, like, maybe, Katherine? Or Klaus? Someone she actually has some fear of hurting her.
Now here's a question I have, how is Silus able to take solid form if he's just in their head? How was he able to stab the boys and take the box with the cure in it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 11:35:14 GMT -5
She feels nothing for both of them right now or even any of her friends. Due to that, there's nothing to read into any of what she says. It IS true she feels nothing for Damon (right now) and feels nothing about the memories of her feelings for Stefan as well (right now). She shut off her feelings. The only thing she felt was at the very end, fear, when she cried out to Damon to help her in that moment of fear. Now the boys will work on that fear and try to get her to flip the switch with that. They both acknowledged it was there so I guess it was. I don't see it working, though, since she knows they won't really hurt her and the synopsis says she calls their bluff. So, I'm thinking they'll have to bring someone else in to do it, like, maybe, Katherine? Or Klaus? Someone she actually has some fear of hurting her. Now here's a question I have, how is Silus able to take solid form if he's just in their head? How was he able to stab the boys and take the box with the cure in it? I will agree to disagree on her feeling... even when Stefan shut off his feelings there were moments of him feeling love for Elena and I will say I saw the same thing with Elena in the last episode... That aside I like your thoughts on Katherine maybe being brought in. I think that would be an awesome match up. They do seem to hate each other ESPECIALLY this Elena. So that would be interesting. Plus Katherine has been where Elena has been and maybe they could both help each other with some truth bombs.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 20, 2013 12:17:16 GMT -5
I think that's grasping at straws. Neither one of the Salvatore's saw any feeling from her until the fear got to her. The show didn't indicate anything else showed with her and I certainly didn't see anything else definitely enough to say so. I could just as easily say it seemed to me that she was feeling something for Damon just as Stefan injected her with vervain or that her calling out to Damon means she feels something for him and not Stefan, but I won't, because there just isn't enough to back that up as factual. All I've seen from her is that she refuses to let herself feel anything for anyone right now, period. The fear got to her because she didn't have any control over it.
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Post by BonniesBoy on Apr 20, 2013 12:19:21 GMT -5
My thing is that before she was a vampire, Stefan was her first true love out of Stefan and Damon. She really only started caring for Damon like that because Klaus had turned Stefan back into the ripper. So I feel like its only right if Stefan and Elena get on the same page again.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 20, 2013 12:24:10 GMT -5
Are you still together with your first love? When you look back at it was it really the love you thought it was? I'm not a teenager, but I was one once and I was in love back then, too. I'm not with that boy I thought was the 'be all, end all' that I thought he was then, either. First love does not mean forever love. Using that as the basis for who she should be together with now is simplistic. In truth, Matt was her first love, first boyfriend, not Stefan, by the way. People grow up and they change and their needs and wants in a mate change as well. I think I'll just let Elena decide NOW what is right for her and if it's still Stefan, so be it.
To say she only started caring about Damon 'like that' because Stefan was a ripper is also not true and disregards everything that was already happening between DE up until that point in time. Elena kissed Damon in 2x22 while still together with Stefan. That's a fact. She may have made up an excuse for it, but it still happened. Friends don't kiss friends on the lips. At least not my friends. Furthermore, they both spent all of their time trying to get Stefan back and 'fixed' during season 3 so neither one of them just forgot about Stefan or moved on.
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Post by BonniesBoy on Apr 20, 2013 12:29:21 GMT -5
You have a good point. I'm not with the first girl I loved. I thought she was the one but she ended up not being the one. I would be happy if Elena ends up with either Stefan or Damon. I just want to see the other one accept it and not have it be a messy love triangle thing for every season.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 20, 2013 12:35:00 GMT -5
I agree. I want this thing over with as much as it can be. I know they'll keep it in the wings because they have to, but all this 'does she or doesn't she' is tiresome. I don't even care which way it goes so long as it's over with. That's how tired I am of it.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 20, 2013 12:36:32 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure something drastic will happen that will halt the immediate forward movement of whatever comes out of this, though, like one of them gets the cure and what all that means to the dynamic of the three of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 12:51:24 GMT -5
I think that's grasping at straws. Neither one of the Salvatore's saw any feeling from her until the fear got to her. The show didn't indicate anything else showed with her and I certainly didn't see anything else definitely enough to say so. I could just as easily say it seemed to me that she was feeling something for Damon just as Stefan injected her with vervain or that her calling out to Damon means she feels something for him and not Stefan, but I won't, because there just isn't enough to back that up as factual. All I've seen from her is that she refuses to let herself feel anything for anyone right now, period. The fear got to her because she didn't have any control over it. you kinda just did? so i guess you will say it. She did have feelings in this episode and those feelings sparked her actions. Remember turning off emotions is a myth... I do not remember who said it, but I know it has been said. You can't deny when she looked at the pictures of her and jeremy that she felt something and then pushed it away. I agree I think she did feel something when Damon helped her. There was a moment there. So you don't have to I will actually say it. There was a moment of feeling right there. What it was we won't know because Stefan did I would not use the word interject, but I will say in his own way tried to help her by vervaining her like she did him last season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 12:54:21 GMT -5
I agree that this triangle is tired and needs to end and honestly if that means the show ends I don't even care if they keep dragging the triangle on just so the show stays on. I think there is more to the show, but apparently the writers do not think so.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 20, 2013 14:03:01 GMT -5
I didn't feel like there was enough to go on to say that she definitely felt something. Yeah she might have been fighting feeling something in any of those cases but there just wasn't enough evidence to be sure. It was Rose who said that they couldn't turn it off but it was AFTER a couple centuries or so. Baby vamps can still turn it off. It probably helps them be able to survive their vamp 'childhood' and get used to having to feed off humans when they otherwise could not bring themselves to do it, in some cases, or the overwhelming feelings got to be too much for them, as in Elena's case.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 20, 2013 14:07:39 GMT -5
Here it is:
"It`s a lie you know. There`s no switch you can turn off. Sure, when you`re a newbie. But after a couple of hundred years you just have to pretend." Rose, Season 2, Episode 09 - Katerina
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 20, 2013 14:09:32 GMT -5
So, I think in Stefan and Damon's case they are on the cusp of NOT really being able to turn it off anymore at 150 years post turning or at least struggling to still turn it/keep it off. But Elena should still be able to for the most part keep it off. That's why they're trying to force her to turn it back on, I guess.
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