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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 6, 2014 8:11:40 GMT -5
This is a really good point! And one that shows that Elena is better suited for Damon than Bonnie could ever be because she loves the vampcakes he makes and their point here is that Damon was copying what they did together (Delena) during their summer of love when they would finally get hungry and make pancakes and Elena would put the fangs on. Whether that was Elena's idea originally or his it doesn't matter because it had obviously happened before between them long before Damon ever made pancakes for Bonnie. So they are saying that Bonnie was basically a stand in for Elena because it made it hurt less that she wasn't the one there with him. So he used Bonnie to fill in the gap temporarily and Elena kind of hits on it when she says he's using Bonnie to make her fall in love with him again. That IS something the old Damon would have done, but I do believe he is trying hard to get Bonnie back to pay her back for helping him get through those 4 months and cry to her about missing Elena, not because he suddenly stopped loving Elena and is falling for Bonnie...there is no chance at all that is happening here. Everything was about Elena while he was with Bonnie for 4 months. The vampcakes and Elena's reaction to them was to show us how much better suited they are for each other! Elena has a playful side that Bonnie just doesn't have and when Damon and Elena are together and having fun is when they are at their best!
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Wait, I'm confused. Damon made Elena pancakes before he ever made them for Bonnie? When? And I thought that Damon clearly said that he was doing all of it for Bonnie and NOT Elena..
Going to just reuse my answer: I’m guessing during the summer of bliss they spent together or whatever. But Elena stopped Damon from eating his pancakes to spray a happy vampire face on it in whip cream which is what he was doing to his and Bonnie’s pancakes. Elena doesn’t have any good memories of Damon so how would she know he ate his pancakes like that? Unless he got it from her.
Also we didn’t say he was doing it all for Elena. . ?? We said Elena was telling the truth about Damon only caring about getting what he wants and that he used Bonnie as a stand in for Elena which he basically said.
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LOL!
theloneliestnumberone said:bamon fans must be so mad that elena took their precious vampcakes from them. i almost feel bad
The best thing about this episode so far is how it took all of 8 minutes for them to discredit all of the bamon fanservice
Think about it all of this time they’ve been excited about Delena pancakes
Damon made the pancakes because they reminded him of Elena
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 6, 2014 20:13:28 GMT -5
Diane @delenaseduction · Dec 5
Damon: "Bonnie and I came here every day, it’s the closest thing I had to a picture of you and I needed every reminder I could get" 6x09
All Damon could think about when he was in the prison world was Elena and he needed every reminder of her he could get...there was no secret romance going on between ELENA'S BEST FRIEND AND ELENA'S BOYFRIEND. I mean c'mon! I don't even know how to respond to the Bamons saying that since we didn't see ALL of the 4 months of them there that there was some hanky panky going on between them. It's so obvious that there wasn't. All Damon wanted was to get back to his girl, Elena!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 6, 2014 20:20:36 GMT -5
Also the interest in Bamon is waning as I figured it would once the initial shock and newness of the idea wore off and the people who hated the idea stopped posting the word Bamon on twitter...in the past month the tweets are down for Bamon from where they were, not up. It's obvious that the attempt to get fans interested in Bamon has failed...time to move on TVD! If they actually went there I think it would be a bigger fail than Stelena was.
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Post by Somerhaldered on Dec 10, 2014 14:29:26 GMT -5
Diane @delenaseduction · Dec 5 Damon: "Bonnie and I came here every day, it’s the closest thing I had to a picture of you and I needed every reminder I could get" 6x09 All Damon could think about when he was in the prison world was Elena and he needed every reminder of her he could get...there was no secret romance going on between ELENA'S BEST FRIEND AND ELENA'S BOYFRIEND. I mean c'mon! I don't even know how to respond to the Bamons saying that since we didn't see ALL of the 4 months of them there that there was some hanky panky going on between them. It's so obvious that there wasn't. All Damon wanted was to get back to his girl, Elena! Yes - we didn't see all 4 months, we saw like 4 days! What we did see was bickering, smart comments, Bonnie hating the Vampcakes and every indication that came from Damon was that he couldn't stop thinking about Elena. He says all he talked about was Elena (and Bonnie would listen), he said they went to Elena's house everyday, he said when Bonnie saw the chance to get him back to his happiness, she took it...all roads point to Elena and there is no way to twist those around. I also love when Bamons use the quote: "to you she's something else isn''t she?", why do they stop there? Elena continues on to say "she's a chance for me to realize what a great guy you are so I will fall in love with you all over again.....as long as Damon gets what Damon wants." That to me sounds like HE WANTS ELENA!!! |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Dec 10, 2014 14:32:22 GMT -5
Also the interest in Bamon is waning as I figured it would once the initial shock and newness of the idea wore off and the people who hated the idea stopped posting the word Bamon on twitter...in the past month the tweets are down for Bamon from where they were, not up. It's obvious that the attempt to get fans interested in Bamon has failed...time to move on TVD! If they actually went there I think it would be a bigger fail than Stelena was. I'm guessing the majority of the people left watching this show are the Delenas, people who like the show and just want to see good entertainment and the Stelenas who wait in the background waiting for some feels or just to see Delena fall on their face. The Delena ship has been built up for so long it would be horrible to just drop it - that would for sure turn off a lot of Delena fans and I am sure ratings would drop. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 10, 2014 14:57:05 GMT -5
Diane @delenaseduction · Dec 5 Damon: "Bonnie and I came here every day, it’s the closest thing I had to a picture of you and I needed every reminder I could get" 6x09 All Damon could think about when he was in the prison world was Elena and he needed every reminder of her he could get...there was no secret romance going on between ELENA'S BEST FRIEND AND ELENA'S BOYFRIEND. I mean c'mon! I don't even know how to respond to the Bamons saying that since we didn't see ALL of the 4 months of them there that there was some hanky panky going on between them. It's so obvious that there wasn't. All Damon wanted was to get back to his girl, Elena! Yes - we didn't see all 4 months, we saw like 4 days! What we did see was bickering, smart comments, Bonnie hating the Vampcakes and every indication that came from Damon was that he couldn't stop thinking about Elena. He says all he talked about was Elena (and Bonnie would listen), he said they went to Elena's house everyday, he said when Bonnie saw the chance to get him back to his happiness, she took it...all roads point to Elena and there is no way to twist those around. I also love when Bamons use the quote: "to you she's something else isn''t she?", why do they stop there? Elena continues on to say "she's a chance for me to realize what a great guy you are so I will fall in love with you all over again.....as long as Damon gets what Damon wants." That to me sounds like HE WANTS ELENA!!! Yes Elena was implying that to Damon, Bonnie was nothing but a tool he could use to get Elena back...not very romantic for the Bamons is it? They leave it there so they can imagine it means Elena thinks Damon loves Bonnie when she said the opposite...lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 15:41:28 GMT -5
Oh I forgot to talk about the, 'To you she's something else isn't she?' quote in my other post in the DE thread. But this is yet another example of a quote that's being taken out of it's context and put standalone to make Bamon seem like more than it really is. It's as if Bamons are picking and choosing quotes to fit their ideals instead of taking the 'whole package' since everything always goes back to Delena.
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Post by Somerhaldered on Dec 10, 2014 16:09:47 GMT -5
Oh I forgot to talk about the, 'To you she's something else isn't she?' quote in my other post in the DE thread. But this is yet another example of a quote that's being taken out of it's context and put standalone to make Bamon seem like more than it really is. It's as if Bamons are picking and choosing quotes to fit their ideals instead of taking the 'whole package' since everything always goes back to Delena. I know - when I read what you wrote, it reminded me of other things they "take out of context". I feel like I'm always screaming THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY MEANT!! They have a tendency to leave things out that don't serve their purpose, lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 16:12:23 GMT -5
One thing in that Dries interview I really don't agree with is this part:
Bonnie has brought out a new side of Damon. Will he continue to fight to get her back?
Dries: I would say one of the most successful character dynamics we've had this season is the Bonnie-Damon relationship. She does soften him in a way, but he doesn't become a weaker, good guy. He still has his edge and his snark ... but they have this prisoner-at-war bond. He's going to continue to try and get her back, but what Kai did in that last episode really cut off their access, which will make it much harder.
First off the question about will he continue to fight to get her back makes it seem like Bonnie's rescue arc is only revolved around Damon when everyone wants her back. This makes it seem like Elena is going to give up (because of Jo and Alaric drama) while Damon will have to do some undercover stuff on his own. Hopefully that's not a direction the show is going in where Damon is solo for some reason (they already have Jeremy acting like a bum and not even lifting a finger to help rescue Bonnie when he's her canon love interest. This simply makes it so easy for Bamons to bash Jeremy and say that Damon is the one truly in love with Bonnie while Jeremy's just waiting to claim the prize or something).
Now for Dries, the way she talks about how Bamon has been one of the most successful character dynamics this season and how Bonnie softens him in a way, it really feel like it's giving credit where it really isn't due.
All of those 4 months happened off screen with us only being able to tune in to what feels like four days at most and during those scenes all we've seen is pancake flipping, Bonnie doing crosswords, and snark and sass all around as they merely got frustrated with being stuck in this world. The only real meaningful conversation that took place was in relation to the Sarah flashback where Bonnie felt that Damon wasn't anything like Kai who didn't feel remorse for the things he did.
In essence I really don't know what scenes Dries could be talking about with Bonnie softening up or something like that. It feels like she watched something completely different from the rest of us. I especially don't like the carefully placed 'jab' at Delena's relationship. Saying that when Bonnie softens him he retains all his edge and snark while Elena doing this turns him into a weaker, good guy?
Since when has Delena's relationship been some cutesy high school romance without it's up and downs? How could Delena's relationship ever really have been considered toxic at all if Damon became a weaker, good guy around Elena? Why would Damon break up for Elena because he was BAD for her. Really that line pissed me off because it's simply makes no sense at all and is discrediting Elena's relationship with Elena, and Damon as well as if he has to play the good guy to be with Elena when the relationship has been anything but. This is why I really hate it when Dries talks about Delena, everything she does I feel myself rolling my eyes, she really doesn't understand the dynamic as well as JP, especially if she wants to somehow put Damon's dynamic with Bonnie in a higher light than his relationship with Elena.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 16:26:28 GMT -5
With that interview I really hope it's just me being picky with words and it's the last of the instances where they try to prop up the Bamon relationship as if it's been something more all this time.
This situation feels eerily similar to the manga I was reading that ended a while ago where instead of the main character ending up with the girl he's been chasing after and asking dates for the entirety, and shoved with a girl he interacted barely and never saw romantically simply because she had a crush on him and the author would have felt 'bad' if she didn't end up with the main character.
To make up for the lack of development damage control interviews and animations came out, inserting said girl into scenarios that never happened in a, 'Actually she was here during this time! We'll show you now!' it just pissed me off lol.
I know I'm likely being paranoid as things haven't escalated to quite that level in regards to Bamon but things are already looking a bit scary with mentions of Ian and Nina not really wanting to do much scenes with each other. At this point I'm just waiting for Bonnie to come back and fade into the background again because all this fanbaiting is getting a bit frustrating.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 10, 2014 16:43:13 GMT -5
One thing in that Dries interview I really don't agree with is this part: Bonnie has brought out a new side of Damon. Will he continue to fight to get her back?
Dries: I would say one of the most successful character dynamics we've had this season is the Bonnie-Damon relationship. She does soften him in a way, but he doesn't become a weaker, good guy. He still has his edge and his snark ... but they have this prisoner-at-war bond. He's going to continue to try and get her back, but what Kai did in that last episode really cut off their access, which will make it much harder. First off the question about will he continue to fight to get her back makes it seem like Bonnie's rescue arc is only revolved around Damon when everyone wants her back. This makes it seem like Elena is going to give up (because of Jo and Alaric drama) while Damon will have to do some undercover stuff on his own. Hopefully that's not a direction the show is going in where Damon is solo for some reason (they already have Jeremy acting like a bum and not even lifting a finger to help rescue Bonnie when he's her canon love interest. This simply makes it so easy for Bamons to bash Jeremy and say that Damon is the one truly in love with Bonnie while Jeremy's just waiting to claim the prize or something). Now for Dries, the way she talks about how Bamon has been one of the most successful character dynamics this season and how Bonnie softens him in a way, it really feel like it's giving credit where it really isn't due. All of those 4 months happened off screen with us only being able to tune in to what feels like four days at most and during those scenes all we've seen is pancake flipping, Bonnie doing crosswords, and snark and sass all around as they merely got frustrated with being stuck in this world. The only real meaningful conversation that took place was in relation to the Sarah flashback where Bonnie felt that Damon wasn't anything like Kai who didn't feel remorse for the things he did. In essence I really don't know what scenes Dries could be talking about with Bonnie softening up or something like that. It feels like she watched something completely different from the rest of us. I especially don't like the carefully placed 'jab' at Delena's relationship. Saying that when Bonnie softens him he retains all his edge and snark while Elena doing this turns him into a weaker, good guy? Since when has Delena's relationship been some cutesy high school romance without it's up and downs? How could Delena's relationship ever really have been considered toxic at all if Damon became a weaker, good guy around Elena? Why would Damon break up for Elena because he was BAD for her. Really that line pissed me off because it's simply makes no sense at all and is discrediting Elena's relationship with Elena, and Damon as well as if he has to play the good guy to be with Elena when the relationship has been anything but. This is why I really hate it when Dries talks about Delena, everything she does I feel myself rolling my eyes, she really doesn't understand the dynamic as well as JP, especially if she wants to somehow put Damon's dynamic with Bonnie in a higher light than his relationship with Elena. I don't see where she said 'unlike the Delena relationship' or anything like that so I didn't read it as a slam on Delena at all. Damon has always maintained his edge which is why he felt he wasn't right for Elena for the longest time because he didn't think he was the kind of man she wanted or deserved to have. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 17:17:14 GMT -5
One thing in that Dries interview I really don't agree with is this part: Bonnie has brought out a new side of Damon. Will he continue to fight to get her back?
Dries: I would say one of the most successful character dynamics we've had this season is the Bonnie-Damon relationship. She does soften him in a way, but he doesn't become a weaker, good guy. He still has his edge and his snark ... but they have this prisoner-at-war bond. He's going to continue to try and get her back, but what Kai did in that last episode really cut off their access, which will make it much harder. First off the question about will he continue to fight to get her back makes it seem like Bonnie's rescue arc is only revolved around Damon when everyone wants her back. This makes it seem like Elena is going to give up (because of Jo and Alaric drama) while Damon will have to do some undercover stuff on his own. Hopefully that's not a direction the show is going in where Damon is solo for some reason (they already have Jeremy acting like a bum and not even lifting a finger to help rescue Bonnie when he's her canon love interest. This simply makes it so easy for Bamons to bash Jeremy and say that Damon is the one truly in love with Bonnie while Jeremy's just waiting to claim the prize or something). Now for Dries, the way she talks about how Bamon has been one of the most successful character dynamics this season and how Bonnie softens him in a way, it really feel like it's giving credit where it really isn't due. All of those 4 months happened off screen with us only being able to tune in to what feels like four days at most and during those scenes all we've seen is pancake flipping, Bonnie doing crosswords, and snark and sass all around as they merely got frustrated with being stuck in this world. The only real meaningful conversation that took place was in relation to the Sarah flashback where Bonnie felt that Damon wasn't anything like Kai who didn't feel remorse for the things he did. In essence I really don't know what scenes Dries could be talking about with Bonnie softening up or something like that. It feels like she watched something completely different from the rest of us. I especially don't like the carefully placed 'jab' at Delena's relationship. Saying that when Bonnie softens him he retains all his edge and snark while Elena doing this turns him into a weaker, good guy? Since when has Delena's relationship been some cutesy high school romance without it's up and downs? How could Delena's relationship ever really have been considered toxic at all if Damon became a weaker, good guy around Elena? Why would Damon break up for Elena because he was BAD for her. Really that line pissed me off because it's simply makes no sense at all and is discrediting Elena's relationship with Elena, and Damon as well as if he has to play the good guy to be with Elena when the relationship has been anything but. This is why I really hate it when Dries talks about Delena, everything she does I feel myself rolling my eyes, she really doesn't understand the dynamic as well as JP, especially if she wants to somehow put Damon's dynamic with Bonnie in a higher light than his relationship with Elena. I don't see where she said 'unlike the Delena relationship' or anything like that so I didn't read it as a slam on Delena at all. Damon has always maintained his edge which is why he felt he wasn't right for Elena for the longest time because he didn't think he was the kind of man she wanted or deserved to have. Yeah hopefully that's just me reading more into the words being said lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 18:26:18 GMT -5
Ugh this is really frustrating me. Remember when Damon was called out for being selfish when it came to rescuing Bonnie?
Well everyone knows that said statement is wrong and that Damon is being selfless when it comes to rescuing Bonnie who sacrificed so much to get him back.
And that's always been the running 'gag' what have you in the show where even Damon referred to himself as selfish when in actuality he's being selfless. So in essence this is just another occasion where Damon's being called selfish when it's the opposite.
Except of course you had those fans that took the show's words point blank and applauded characters for calling Damon out on this and how he's just so obsessed with Elena and that that's the only reason he's doing said things is to score points romantically with Elena or something.
But now guess what's happening in this instance where Damon was called selfish instead of actually doing this for Bonnie's sake? Are Bamon/Stelena fans calling him out as being truly selfish and obsessive? LOL of course not. Cause it's about Bonnie so now they want to defend Damon in a, 'Oh come on he's not being selfish! He really is doing this all for Bonnie's sake!'
Yet when the situation was reversed and it had to do with Delena/Elena it was always, 'Yeah he's selfish. All he cares about is Elena and not his brother blah blah!'
So I can't be happy with the flood of fans who now suddenly want to support Damon as selfless when I know it's only Stelena/Bamon fans who are suddenly on board just cause it's Bonnie in the equation.
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Post by missmystic on Dec 17, 2014 10:36:36 GMT -5
Too much Bamon fan service is bugging the crap out of me right now. The second to last episode was full of lines that were so obviously stuck in there for the express purpose of giving Bamon fans something to cling to and quote over and over. And it was weird, because the lines always ended with an almost opposite inflection, so I don't really know what the point was. But here are the examples: Elena's accusation, which starts out with "Bonnie is my BEST FRIEND, but to you she's something more isn't she," which at first glance seems like a Bamon reference of course. But then she ends it with, "she's a chance for me to realize what a great guy you are so I will fall in love with you all over again" which seems to clearly be meant as Delena subject matter. Totally conflicting, for no good reason. And then there was this line from Elena, "Damon and Bonnie ... who would have thought it," which again seems like Bamon hinting. But then Damon says, "ok, no need to make it any more weird than it already is," which seems like a Bamon bash ... It all just seems so stupid to me. It's like they are dangling the Bamon stuff to keep those fans watching, but then quickly turning around and reassuring the Delena's that they shouldn't worry. STOP THE PANDERING!!! Just tell the fricken story you want to tell, and make it make sense and have heart and flow naturally. The rest will follow. All the fan service and pandering is driving me crazy. I feel like it's discrediting everything at once. You can't trust the Bamon lines, but can you really trust the Delena lines either? What story do these writers want to tell? They need to make up their minds, and stand by their decisions. It seems instead as though they are hesitating in all directions because they don't want to lose any of the fan bases. But they are idiots if they think that is smart, because instead what is going to happen is they will lose everyone, because all the fandoms will get fed up.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 17, 2014 19:24:50 GMT -5
Too much Bamon fan service is bugging the crap out of me right now. The second to last episode was full of lines that were so obviously stuck in there for the express purpose of giving Bamon fans something to cling to and quote over and over. And it was weird, because the lines always ended with an almost opposite inflection, so I don't really know what the point was. But here are the examples: Elena's accusation, which starts out with "Bonnie is my BEST FRIEND, but to you she's something more isn't she," which at first glance seems like a Bamon reference of course. But then she ends it with, "she's a chance for me to realize what a great guy you are so I will fall in love with you all over again" which seems to clearly be meant as Delena subject matter. Totally conflicting, for no good reason. And then there was this line from Elena, "Damon and Bonnie ... who would have thought it," which again seems like Bamon hinting. But then Damon says, "ok, no need to make it any more weird than it already is," which seems like a Bamon bash ... It all just seems so stupid to me. It's like they are dangling the Bamon stuff to keep those fans watching, but then quickly turning around and reassuring the Delena's that they shouldn't worry. STOP THE PANDERING!!! Just tell the fricken story you want to tell, and make it make sense and have heart and flow naturally. The rest will follow. All the fan service and pandering is driving me crazy. I feel like it's discrediting everything at once. You can't trust the Bamon lines, but can you really trust the Delena lines either? What story do these writers want to tell? They need to make up their minds, and stand by their decisions. It seems instead as though they are hesitating in all directions because they don't want to lose any of the fan bases. But they are idiots if they think that is smart, because instead what is going to happen is they will lose everyone, because all the fandoms will get fed up. I don't think we have anything to worry about unless they are incredibly stupid and have ignored the fact that the Bamon mentions dropped off after the initial buzz of the possibility of them happening which was a lot of negative buzz from the fans as well. I think Ian may want it to happen but not many fans do. He's probably sick of kissing his ex, but too bad. I love him but that's the job he signed up for and gets paid handsomely to do. I don't want the story pandering to the actors desires either. The problem may be that he won't sign on for more Delena and they want to keep him because without him there is no show. If that's the case we will know it soon enough, but I really don't think Ian would be that demanding. The entire series would be ruined by Bamon happening, plain and simple and he'd be responsible for it which wouldn't look good on his resume.
So what I really think they are doing is testing the waters, throwing some Bamon at us that isn't too serious to see the reaction of the fans but I think the reaction has been pretty dull and they won't go there. Had the Delena's jumped ship and been all for it maybe they would have gone there, but from what I've seen it's gone nowhere even with the increased press Bamon has gotten.
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