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Post by ritz on Mar 10, 2017 23:43:04 GMT -5
Sheesh Stelena's did always mention about KW being a SE fan and that had he not left they'd still be together which I always thought, no he'd get that the show has moved on from the early seasons. Of course now that he's said that, SEs must be having a field day. KW was always trying to sell Stelena (and he still is I guess), but his audience never bought into it. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 10, 2017 23:43:13 GMT -5
If anything show's over and we can finally move on. It's a relief to be free of the fandom drama and never having to be bothered with it again. I don't plan to browse what the SEs or BDs or even SCs are saying (since you know as Stefan stans they're probably pissed that it wasn't Damon that died). And being free of JP's writing and bad logic and priorities. I'm just going to stick to fanfics as I've done with other shows that have ended lackluster or unfulfilling. Sometimes the fans are just better when it comes to writing for their ship. You're right and I'm sorry you got another bad ending after that manga you talked about...jeesh. I mean we knew but we hoped it wouldn't end up this way. We got the end game but it isn't satisfying in any way. It's like DE hated each other all their lives and then moved on from each other in the afterlife to their real happiness and I think JP meant it that way because how else could she have let it go this way? |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Mar 10, 2017 23:44:58 GMT -5
I mean, did Damon and Elena even speak to each other at all? I mean, maybe she said his name, I even forget that. But there was no, "Oh, my God, I've waited to see you're smiling beautiful face for so long." "God, I missed you." Being without you almost killed me a thousand times, Elena." "When I woke up, your face was what I imagined seeing." (Yeah, not Bonnie's, thanks a lot.) I mean, where's the undying words to go with the most epic couple of all time? And Bonnie just learning how to break the spell, well, nice it took so long. This was my BIGGEST pet peeves with the finale. In the run of this entire series, Delena has always had these epic speeches to each other. I just KNEW that if Elena woke up in the last 15 minutes, at least we would get one of Damon's great speeches to the love of his life. Womp. They said NO words. None to each other. That's supposed to make us happy? A hug and a peck on the lips? And when Damon came out of the tomb, his look was like, "Awe, you woke up? That's so nice." |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 10, 2017 23:45:21 GMT -5
Sheesh Stelena's did always mention about KW being a SE fan and that had he not left they'd still be together which I always thought, no he'd get that the show has moved on from the early seasons. Of course now that he's said that, SEs must be having a field day. KW was always trying to sell Stelena (and he still is I guess), but his audience never bought into it. I never thought KW was such a big Stelena fan really but I guess I was wrong. He did know how to write Damon though. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 23:49:24 GMT -5
At this point, it's almost like we didn't even get Delena. It's almost like Julie & Kevin "settled" for them because they had built up such a big Steroline thing and Nina left so, oh, welol, it was too late to go back now. I do agree the Nian breakup caused all this mess and it showed on screen. I will never forget the chemistry and angst up to season 4. It was the absolute best pairing of my life. And to end like this is just depressing because it should have been so much more but their hearts were not in it. And now to have the writers say it should have been Stelena or they wanted it to be Stelena when they gave us a Delena ending is like them trying to take it back. What assholes. Who the hell takes out a Delena proposal?  I feel like they're just talking out their you know what now. They've said a few contradicting things that some of us have pointed out here. JP said the DE reunion was two years in the making, yet instead of giving it to us, she made it Katherine. Why would Katherine even look or react in that loving way to Damon anyways? That's not even in her character, she would have ran to Stefan. She even says that she would have chose Stefan cause he's better lol. There was just no real reason for that to have been Katherine in that moment, it was the dumbest moment of the episode to me. I literally face palmed and rolled on the floor at how stupid and contrived it was. Then you have JP saying how Nina leaving cemented DE endgame and how eternal their love is. Though the problem isn't really not getting the DE endgame as we got it, just that it was lackluster. I didn't expect the scenes would be so small in comparison. It's like flashbacks to season 3 finale when there weren't much scenes of DE being shown in stills and promos and we all thought, wow this has got to mean DE scenes are too spoil worthy to show. And we know how that went. This was the same way, literally all we got was the promo since that was really all it was, every other scene was obvious it'd be Katherine. And since Delena only had about 5 min. of screentime and the scenes had no talking, and it was towards the end, it couldn't have been spoiled without giving it away. JPs priorities have just been all wrong. She was so bent on trying to cram as much characters as she would, obsessed with Katherine as this iconic big bad figure. She cared more about Katherine than Elena it seems. Why couldn't Elena get decent screen time, she's only been gone for all of two seasons. It always felt like JP hated Elena, especially in comparison to Caroline, and this makes me think that even more. She's more obsessed with Defan than anything, given what we got at the end. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Mar 10, 2017 23:49:34 GMT -5
There were some good moments, like Damon/Caroline, but I guess the one moment we were all looking forward to didn't happen. And can I say I could care less that she became a doctor - they thought that was more important to show than a Delena proposal? Hmmm, or maybe they thought the Maxwell family reunion was what everyone was on pins and needles for?
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Post by Somerhaldered on Mar 10, 2017 23:56:07 GMT -5
At this point, it's almost like we didn't even get Delena. It's almost like Julie & Kevin "settled" for them because they had built up such a big Steroline thing and Nina left so, oh, welol, it was too late to go back now. I do agree the Nian breakup caused all this mess and it showed on screen. I will never forget the chemistry and angst up to season 4. It was the absolute best pairing of my life. And to end like this is just depressing because it should have been so much more but their hearts were not in it. And now to have the writers say it should have been Stelena or they wanted it to be Stelena when they gave us a Delena ending is like them trying to take it back. What assholes. Who the hell takes out a Delena proposal? I feel like they're just talking out their you know what now. They've said a few contradicting things that some of us have pointed out here. JP said the DE reunion was two years in the making, yet instead of giving it to us, she made it Katherine. Why would Katherine even look or react in that loving way to Damon anyways? That's not even in her character, she would have ran to Stefan. She even says that she would have chose Stefan cause he's better lol. There was just no real reason for that to have been Katherine in that moment, it was the dumbest moment of the episode to me. I literally face palmed and rolled on the floor at how stupid and contrived it was. Then you have JP saying how Nina leaving cemented DE endgame and how eternal their love is. Though the problem isn't really not getting the DE endgame as we got it, just that it was lackluster. I didn't expect the scenes would be so small in comparison. It's like flashbacks to season 3 finale when there weren't much scenes of DE being shown in stills and promos and we all thought, wow this has got to mean DE scenes are too spoil worthy to show. And we know how that went. This was the same way, literally all we got was the promo since that was really all it was, every other scene was obvious it'd be Katherine. And since Delena only had about 5 min. of screentime and the scenes had no talking, and it was towards the end, it couldn't have been spoiled without giving it away. JPs priorities have just been all wrong. She was so bent on trying to cram as much characters as she would, obsessed with Katherine as this iconic big bad figure. She cared more about Katherine than Elena it seems. Why couldn't Elena get decent screen time, she's only been gone for all of two seasons. It always felt like JP hated Elena, especially in comparison to Caroline, and this makes me think that even more. She's more obsessed with Defan than anything, given what we got at the end. I thought the same thing when I saw the Kat scene - contrived waste of time - but I'm guessing JP was playing up the fact that it has always been Kat's MO to impersonate Elena and see if the boys could tell. She was playing yet another joke on Damon, so she wouldn't have gone to Stefan in that moment. At the end of the day, they tried to have too many special appearances and closures that they could rightfully do in an hour. They should have made it 2 hours and done it right. I mean, do characters like Jo and Lexi even get paid for their half second cameo? lol |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 10, 2017 23:58:16 GMT -5
At this point, it's almost like we didn't even get Delena. It's almost like Julie & Kevin "settled" for them because they had built up such a big Steroline thing and Nina left so, oh, welol, it was too late to go back now. I do agree the Nian breakup caused all this mess and it showed on screen. I will never forget the chemistry and angst up to season 4. It was the absolute best pairing of my life. And to end like this is just depressing because it should have been so much more but their hearts were not in it. And now to have the writers say it should have been Stelena or they wanted it to be Stelena when they gave us a Delena ending is like them trying to take it back. What assholes. Who the hell takes out a Delena proposal? I know right? Why don't they just shut up already! It's like they want to make sure we aren't happy with the crap they gave us. Well they didn't need to add the two cents on the end. The ending sucked as far as I was concerned before the two cents but I have to wonder why they hate us all so much. Not that it matters. That's all there is folks. No changing it now and we can all go back to our corners of the world and forget this show ever existed if we want. It's just sad that it couldn't have ended better if you ask me. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 11, 2017 0:00:03 GMT -5
Just think of how fast we could have caught up on DE if we had quit watching at the end of season 3 like the smart people did? Yeah we wasted a lot of time didn't we? There's plenty of people I knew that could say I told you so, but let's face it, I'm always the last one to leave after cleaning the place up so what's different now?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 0:01:07 GMT -5
There were some good moments, like Damon/Caroline, but I guess the one moment we were all looking forward to didn't happen. And can I say I could care less that she became a doctor - they thought that was more important to show than a Delena proposal? Hmmm, or maybe they thought the Maxwell family reunion was what everyone was on pins and needles for? It was mentioned in an interview that they had cut a Delena proposal with Elena's response after medical school and that was supposed to show her as a doctor. But since they cut that, they went with the dumb idea of, let's just put her in scrubs! lol. So in a way we didn't get Elena as a doctor. It was mentioned they filmed in a hospital but I guess that was cut too. It's just kind of dumb. It shouldn't be as if we have to pick and choose bits and pieces of DE. I feel like the flashforward could have easily been Elena getting off her shift from work (or Damon meeting her there in the parking lot as she gives him a kiss and they get in the car) drive home and see their domestic life together for a bit. Then they could have shown the walking down the street scene and skip to the afterlife. I feel like time and prioritizing too much screen time to certain characters is what stopped the finale from being as great as it could have. Kelly Donovan and Vicki had more lines than Elena did. Although the Donovan family has already been one of the points brought up as far as wasted screen time goes. |
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Post by LindaBrownEyes on Mar 11, 2017 0:04:38 GMT -5
Remember the time I watched episode 2x8 over and over and over and over and over again on loop. "I love you, Elena, and it's because I love you I can't be selfish with you."
Needless to say, we just got a Delena endgame and I have no intention of ever watching that finale again. That's not how I want to remember Delena. I might just think of the end of Season 4 as the end where she what Damon did in 2x8. "I love you, Damon."
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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2017 0:04:38 GMT -5
I feel like they're just talking out their you know what now. They've said a few contradicting things that some of us have pointed out here. JP said the DE reunion was two years in the making, yet instead of giving it to us, she made it Katherine. Why would Katherine even look or react in that loving way to Damon anyways? That's not even in her character, she would have ran to Stefan. She even says that she would have chose Stefan cause he's better lol. There was just no real reason for that to have been Katherine in that moment, it was the dumbest moment of the episode to me. I literally face palmed and rolled on the floor at how stupid and contrived it was. Then you have JP saying how Nina leaving cemented DE endgame and how eternal their love is. Though the problem isn't really not getting the DE endgame as we got it, just that it was lackluster. I didn't expect the scenes would be so small in comparison. It's like flashbacks to season 3 finale when there weren't much scenes of DE being shown in stills and promos and we all thought, wow this has got to mean DE scenes are too spoil worthy to show. And we know how that went. This was the same way, literally all we got was the promo since that was really all it was, every other scene was obvious it'd be Katherine. And since Delena only had about 5 min. of screentime and the scenes had no talking, and it was towards the end, it couldn't have been spoiled without giving it away. JPs priorities have just been all wrong. She was so bent on trying to cram as much characters as she would, obsessed with Katherine as this iconic big bad figure. She cared more about Katherine than Elena it seems. Why couldn't Elena get decent screen time, she's only been gone for all of two seasons. It always felt like JP hated Elena, especially in comparison to Caroline, and this makes me think that even more. She's more obsessed with Defan than anything, given what we got at the end. I thought the same thing when I saw the Kat scene - contrived waste of time - but I'm guessing JP was playing up the fact that it has always been Kat's MO to impersonate Elena and see if the boys could tell. She was playing yet another joke on Damon, so she wouldn't have gone to Stefan in that moment. At the end of the day, they tried to have too many special appearances and closures that they could rightfully do in an hour. They should have made it 2 hours and done it right. I mean, do characters like Jo and Lexi even get paid for their half second cameo? lol But if they had done that, they couldn't had spent 45 minutes prior to the show trying to convince us what an epic love story Stelena really was. I was irritated from start to finish pretty much. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 11, 2017 0:05:24 GMT -5
There were some good moments, like Damon/Caroline, but I guess the one moment we were all looking forward to didn't happen. And can I say I could care less that she became a doctor - they thought that was more important to show than a Delena proposal? Hmmm, or maybe they thought the Maxwell family reunion was what everyone was on pins and needles for? It was mentioned in an interview that they had cut a Delena proposal with Elena's response after medical school and that was supposed to show her as a doctor. But since they cut that, they went with the dumb idea of, let's just put her in scrubs! lol. So in a way we didn't get Elena as a doctor. It was mentioned they filmed in a hospital but I guess that was cut too. It's just kind of dumb. It shouldn't be as if we have to pick and choose bits and pieces of DE. I feel like the flashforward could have easily been Elena getting off her shift from work (or Damon meeting her there in the parking lot as she gives him a kiss and they get in the car) drive home and see their domestic life together for a bit. Then they could have shown the walking down the street scene and skip to the afterlife. I feel like time and prioritizing too much screen time to certain characters is what stopped the finale from being as great as it could have. Kelly Donovan and Vicki had more lines than Elena did. Although the Donovan family has already been one of the points brought up as far as wasted screen time goes. It doesn't matter what they filmed if it wound up on the cutting room floor as unimportant to their overall direction in the finale. DE was unimportant to JP and KW in the end. We got the bare minimum and they probably think we should be grateful. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 11, 2017 0:07:03 GMT -5
Remember the time I watched episode 2x8 over and over and over and over and over again on loop. "I love you, Elena, and it's because I love you I can't be selfish with you." Needless to say, we just got a Delena endgame and I have no intention of ever watching that finale again. That's not how I want to remember Delena. I might just think of the end of Season 4 as the end where she what Damon did in 2x8. "I love you, Damon." I know, not even an I love you...so sad about that. Did they even say anything to each other? |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Mar 11, 2017 0:07:22 GMT -5
There were some good moments, like Damon/Caroline, but I guess the one moment we were all looking forward to didn't happen. And can I say I could care less that she became a doctor - they thought that was more important to show than a Delena proposal? Hmmm, or maybe they thought the Maxwell family reunion was what everyone was on pins and needles for? It was mentioned in an interview that they had cut a Delena proposal with Elena's response after medical school and that was supposed to show her as a doctor. But since they cut that, they went with the dumb idea of, let's just put her in scrubs! lol. So in a way we didn't get Elena as a doctor. It was mentioned they filmed in a hospital but I guess that was cut too. It's just kind of dumb. It shouldn't be as if we have to pick and choose bits and pieces of DE. I feel like the flashforward could have easily been Elena getting off her shift from work (or Damon meeting her there in the parking lot as she gives him a kiss and they get in the car) drive home and see their domestic life together for a bit. Then they could have shown the walking down the street scene and skip to the afterlife. I feel like time and prioritizing too much screen time to certain characters is what stopped the finale from being as great as it could have. Kelly Donovan and Vicki had more lines than Elena did. Although the Donovan family has already been one of the points brought up as far as wasted screen time goes. That final graveyard scene was dumb too in my opinion. I get that they were trying to come full circle, but the fact that we had yet another homage to Stefan and Elena being grateful was unnecessary. Go get your man that is still alive and make out cause you haven't seen each other in two years! |
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