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Post by s1hamtvd on Jan 7, 2012 18:51:00 GMT -5
I'm kind of worried about KW and JP too. I mean KW was behind Dawsons Creek, and I'm kinda seeing similarities with the traingles now. :-/I'm kind of worried about them going with DE because of fans too. I know a lot of SE shippers have kind of given up, or see DE as "cute"  I'm just not very confident with SE at all right now.  I can't see myself trusting Elena again for a while at least, even than it'll never be like it was. I guess Paul Wesley said he hopes SE are back together by the end of the season.  "cute"  It was freaking I refuse to call them SE shippers |
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Post by Bri on Jan 7, 2012 19:39:04 GMT -5
 I love your post it's so funny. I wish it'll be like that but unfortunetly i don't think it'll be like that, guess i'm loosing faith in KW ans JP. I was so pissed at Elena when i opened the board and saw all those Stelena sigs. I won't be forgiving her anytime soon. I'm drowning my sorrow watching SOA. It's so good, if it weren't for you guys talking about it, it would still be on my " to watch " list. Thanks I'm kind of worried about KW and JP too. I mean KW was behind Dawsons Creek, and I'm kinda seeing similarities with the traingles now. :-/I'm kind of worried about them going with DE because of fans too. I know a lot of SE shippers have kind of given up, or see DE as "cute" I'm just not very confident with SE at all right now. I can't see myself trusting Elena again for a while at least, even than it'll never be like it was. I guess Paul Wesley said he hopes SE are back together by the end of the season. True, I don't know if I can handle another Dawson Creek ending. I am still bitter about Pacey/Andie lol After talking my boyfriend to death, I decided nothing can destroy my love for SE as a whole. But when I talk a step back and look at the characters separately, I have a hard time trusting Elena's love and faith in Stefan. Hopefully that will change. I think the writers really need to work on giving the audience more insight on how Elena is feeling. They do a great job with Damon, Caroline, and Stefan (depends on who you ask). But with Elena it is like we have to guess. Maybe that is the real reason I find myself so frustrated with her character. I have no idea why she does the things she does. Every now and then she "says" it is because of her family & friends, yet we hardly get any interaction with her and them.  Sorry for rambling. |
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Post by Tara on Jan 7, 2012 21:32:17 GMT -5
I'm kind of worried about KW and JP too. I mean KW was behind Dawsons Creek, and I'm kinda seeing similarities with the traingles now. :-/I'm kind of worried about them going with DE because of fans too. I know a lot of SE shippers have kind of given up, or see DE as "cute" I'm just not very confident with SE at all right now. I can't see myself trusting Elena again for a while at least, even than it'll never be like it was. I guess Paul Wesley said he hopes SE are back together by the end of the season. True, I don't know if I can handle another Dawson Creek ending. I am still bitter about Pacey/Andie lol After talking my boyfriend to death, I decided nothing can destroy my love for SE as a whole. But when I talk a step back and look at the characters separately, I have a hard time trusting Elena's love and faith in Stefan. Hopefully that will change. I think the writers really need to work on giving the audience more insight on how Elena is feeling. They do a great job with Damon, Caroline, and Stefan (depends on who you ask). But with Elena it is like we have to guess. Maybe that is the real reason I find myself so frustrated with her character. I have no idea why she does the things she does. Every now and then she "says" it is because of her family & friends, yet we hardly get any interaction with her and them. Sorry for rambling. I'm still mad over Dawson. First, they killed off Jen  , didn't end with Andie/Pacey, and I loved Dawson/Joey. I'm still shipping SE, just not as much as I did before. Stefan is way more important now. I don't think I'll love Elena for a while. Even if they did show it from her POV, I don't think I'd forgive it. It was a total stab in the back to Stefan from both of them. They're kind of making it seem like Elena has to be with a guy, I hate it. There were a million over ways for them to explore DE, but the way they did it just made it worse for me.  |
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Post by Bri on Jan 7, 2012 23:03:21 GMT -5
True, I don't know if I can handle another Dawson Creek ending. I am still bitter about Pacey/Andie lol After talking my boyfriend to death, I decided nothing can destroy my love for SE as a whole. But when I talk a step back and look at the characters separately, I have a hard time trusting Elena's love and faith in Stefan. Hopefully that will change. I think the writers really need to work on giving the audience more insight on how Elena is feeling. They do a great job with Damon, Caroline, and Stefan (depends on who you ask). But with Elena it is like we have to guess. Maybe that is the real reason I find myself so frustrated with her character. I have no idea why she does the things she does. Every now and then she "says" it is because of her family & friends, yet we hardly get any interaction with her and them. Sorry for rambling. I'm still mad over Dawson. First, they killed off Jen , didn't end with Andie/Pacey, and I loved Dawson/Joey. I'm still shipping SE, just not as much as I did before. Stefan is way more important now. I don't think I'll love Elena for a while. Even if they did show it from her POV, I don't think I'd forgive it. It was a total stab in the back to Stefan from both of them. They're kind of making it seem like Elena has to be with a guy, I hate it. There were a million over ways for them to explore DE, but the way they did it just made it worse for me.  Son't get me started about how they killed of Jen. I have only seen that episode twice and I still can't watch it without crying like a baby  I think understanding Elena would help me understand some things....Like when she says the reasons she loves Stefan, yet she is attracted to Damon who imo is the complete opposite....I do agree though even if Elena POV was/is shown I don't think I would still like her actions  If I knew they were really going to go this route, I would have rather there to not have been any couple in season 1. Only to have Elena attracted to both guys building it up from there and ultimately have her choose. Also never have her say the words "I am nothing like Katherine" IDK I just pictured it this way. I refuse they built SE the way they have just for them to not end up together....Nope I just refuse to believe it until IF it happens. Right now I am completely focused on Stefan and his love  |
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Post by Tara on Jan 7, 2012 23:21:47 GMT -5
I'm still mad over Dawson. First, they killed off Jen , didn't end with Andie/Pacey, and I loved Dawson/Joey. I'm still shipping SE, just not as much as I did before. Stefan is way more important now. I don't think I'll love Elena for a while. Even if they did show it from her POV, I don't think I'd forgive it. It was a total stab in the back to Stefan from both of them. They're kind of making it seem like Elena has to be with a guy, I hate it. There were a million over ways for them to explore DE, but the way they did it just made it worse for me. Son't get me started about how they killed of Jen. I have only seen that episode twice and I still can't watch it without crying like a baby I think understanding Elena would help me understand some things....Like when she says the reasons she loves Stefan, yet she is attracted to Damon who imo is the complete opposite....I do agree though even if Elena POV was/is shown I don't think I would still like her actions If I knew they were really going to go this route, I would have rather there to not have been any couple in season 1. Only to have Elena attracted to both guys building it up from there and ultimately have her choose. Also never have her say the words "I am nothing like Katherine" IDK I just pictured it this way. I refuse they built SE the way they have just for them to not end up together....Nope I just refuse to believe it until IF it happens. Right now I am completely focused on Stefan and his love Agreed. Well to me having them both find out what Stefan did, than have them start.    I just don't agree with how they're changing Elena either. I just think they really need to change a lot to deserve Stefan now. I swear I'm getting sick of this Stefan hate. If I see one more thing, I am so tempted to start talking back. It's all over the place. I can't look anywhere associated with TVD without seeing it. I don't like fighting, but I'm getting seriously sick of it. Stefan is a good, respectful guy. He has a little dark side, but it doesn't define him. He went through a really bad time, but he overcame it. I think theres a reason to why he's acting like he is. No worse than the stuff someone else has done. Saying he's fake, a liar, abusive, etc is getting really old. I don't care what anyone says Stefan is a really great guy.  |
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Post by Bri on Jan 7, 2012 23:33:53 GMT -5
Son't get me started about how they killed of Jen. I have only seen that episode twice and I still can't watch it without crying like a baby I think understanding Elena would help me understand some things....Like when she says the reasons she loves Stefan, yet she is attracted to Damon who imo is the complete opposite....I do agree though even if Elena POV was/is shown I don't think I would still like her actions If I knew they were really going to go this route, I would have rather there to not have been any couple in season 1. Only to have Elena attracted to both guys building it up from there and ultimately have her choose. Also never have her say the words "I am nothing like Katherine" IDK I just pictured it this way. I refuse they built SE the way they have just for them to not end up together....Nope I just refuse to believe it until IF it happens. Right now I am completely focused on Stefan and his love Agreed. Well to me having them both find out what Stefan did, than have them start. I just don't agree with how they're changing Elena either. I just think they really need to change a lot to deserve Stefan now. I swear I'm getting sick of this Stefan hate. If I see one more thing, I am so tempted to start talking back. It's all over the place. I can't look anywhere associated with TVD without seeing it. I don't like fighting, but I'm getting seriously sick of it. Stefan is a good, respectful guy. He has a little dark side, but it doesn't define him. He went through a really bad time, but he overcame it. I think theres a reason to why he's acting like he is. No worse than the stuff someone else has done. Saying he's fake, a liar, abusive, etc is getting really old. I don't care what anyone says Stefan is a really great guy. Would have it been so hard for the writers to let that kiss happen before they knew the truth!!   Seriously!! I was on Tumblr today, even my twitter TL they were people hating on Stefan. Agree, if I decide to "debate" back then it won't be pretty so I just keep it to myself. If you decide to though, I go you back. Just tell me when and where |
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Post by Tara on Jan 7, 2012 23:40:35 GMT -5
Agreed. Well to me having them both find out what Stefan did, than have them start. I just don't agree with how they're changing Elena either. I just think they really need to change a lot to deserve Stefan now. I swear I'm getting sick of this Stefan hate. If I see one more thing, I am so tempted to start talking back. It's all over the place. I can't look anywhere associated with TVD without seeing it. I don't like fighting, but I'm getting seriously sick of it. Stefan is a good, respectful guy. He has a little dark side, but it doesn't define him. He went through a really bad time, but he overcame it. I think theres a reason to why he's acting like he is. No worse than the stuff someone else has done. Saying he's fake, a liar, abusive, etc is getting really old. I don't care what anyone says Stefan is a really great guy. Would have it been so hard for the writers to let that kiss happen before they knew the truth!! Seriously!! I was on Tumblr today, even my twitter TL they were people hating on Stefan. Agree, if I decide to "debate" back then it won't be pretty so I just keep it to myself. If you decide to though, I go you back. Just tell me when and where Aww, thanks. Same with you! Stefan/SE fans really need to stick together. I'm glad I have you guys. I swear you guys are the best. I just don't see how they can think "someone else" is perfect and ideal, but than point a finger at Stefan. It's not like they've explained Stefans plan or why he's being this way yet. I'm sorry, but Elena's been treated worse by someone. Not naming names.  I hate arguing with people, but they're pushing it. We try to be nice and respectful. Why can't we get it back? |
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Post by Bri on Jan 8, 2012 0:13:00 GMT -5
Would have it been so hard for the writers to let that kiss happen before they knew the truth!! Seriously!! I was on Tumblr today, even my twitter TL they were people hating on Stefan. Agree, if I decide to "debate" back then it won't be pretty so I just keep it to myself. If you decide to though, I go you back. Just tell me when and where Aww, thanks. Same with you! Stefan/SE fans really need to stick together. I'm glad I have you guys. I swear you guys are the best. I just don't see how they can think "someone else" is perfect and ideal, but than point a finger at Stefan. It's not like they've explained Stefans plan or why he's being this way yet. I'm sorry, but Elena's been treated worse by someone. Not naming names. I hate arguing with people, but they're pushing it. We try to be nice and respectful. Why can't we get it back? I you guys too!! You keep me sane and my bf less irritated I love Stefan 1000% but at least I can say when I don't agree with something he has done. Sometimes I understand the criticism of Stefan, but sometimes it seems like people are trying to use everything little thing and turn it against him. That is why some are so easy to write him off b4 if we actually find out if he has done anything bad....Idk anymore. I guess ppl can say I'm biased  |
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Post by Tara on Jan 8, 2012 0:19:13 GMT -5
Aww, thanks. Same with you! Stefan/SE fans really need to stick together. I'm glad I have you guys. I swear you guys are the best. I just don't see how they can think "someone else" is perfect and ideal, but than point a finger at Stefan. It's not like they've explained Stefans plan or why he's being this way yet. I'm sorry, but Elena's been treated worse by someone. Not naming names. I hate arguing with people, but they're pushing it. We try to be nice and respectful. Why can't we get it back? I you guys too!! You keep me sane and my bf less irritated I love Stefan 1000% but at least I can say when I don't agree with something he has done. Sometimes I understand the criticism of Stefan, but sometimes it seems like people are trying to use everything little thing and turn it against him. That is why some are so easy to write him off b4 if we actually find out if he has done anything bad....Idk anymore. I guess ppl can say I'm biased I think you're level-headed. You even said Stefan messes up, but it doesn't make him bad. Heck, I don't know if I agree with him stealing the coffins, and a few other things. But I think he's pretty good considering all. I think some people are just jealous, it's hard to compete with Stefan. |
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Post by Bri on Jan 8, 2012 0:30:58 GMT -5
I you guys too!! You keep me sane and my bf less irritated I love Stefan 1000% but at least I can say when I don't agree with something he has done. Sometimes I understand the criticism of Stefan, but sometimes it seems like people are trying to use everything little thing and turn it against him. That is why some are so easy to write him off b4 if we actually find out if he has done anything bad....Idk anymore. I guess ppl can say I'm biased I think you're level-headed. You even said Stefan messes up, but it doesn't make him bad. Heck, I don't know if I agree with him stealing the coffins, and a few other things. But I think he's pretty good considering all. I think some people are just jealous, it's hard to compete with Stefan. I love Stefan b/c he is not perfect, at least not to me. Like when he killed Andie, I did not like what he did. I can say that though b/c I don't hold him up on some pedestal. Love all sides of him I think the quote "Because even in death, his heart is pure," describes he perfectly. He makes mistakes, but deep down I don't think he is malicious or anything. Stefan is our |
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Post by Tara on Jan 8, 2012 0:42:17 GMT -5
I love Stefan b/c he is not perfect, at least not to me. Like when he killed Andie, I did not like what he did. I can say that though b/c I don't hold him up on some pedestal. Love all sides of him I think the quote "Because even in death, his heart is pure," describes he perfectly. He makes mistakes, but deep down I don't think he is malicious or anything. Stefan is our Exactly! None of the characters are perfect. They all make mistakes. But I'll love Stefan no matter what. I don't think Stefan ever really wants to hurt anyone. I miss shirtless Stefan.  |
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Post by Bri on Jan 8, 2012 0:54:16 GMT -5
I love Stefan b/c he is not perfect, at least not to me. Like when he killed Andie, I did not like what he did. I can say that though b/c I don't hold him up on some pedestal. Love all sides of him I think the quote "Because even in death, his heart is pure," describes he perfectly. He makes mistakes, but deep down I don't think he is malicious or anything. Stefan is our Exactly! None of the characters are perfect. They all make mistakes. But I'll love Stefan no matter what. I don't think Stefan ever really wants to hurt anyone. I miss shirtless Stefan. Shirtless Stefan is always a good thing  |
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Post by orchid05 on Jan 8, 2012 1:50:15 GMT -5
I agree with all your posts and i love you guys!! When i read this thread i tell myself that with us there's still hope for human nature after all All the things you said are very true. About the Stefan hate, it's pretty pathetic IMO because it's meaningless. When Stefan was "perfect" (their word) he was stupid/lame and everything? Now that he's all badass kinda like Damon was before without the jerk attitude i'd say, well here we go again, he sucks  Something is wrong with those ppl  I am so over them, i will go down with Stefan, i'm with him until the end. Stefan has always been my favorite for all the reasons you've said, we've talked many times about his depth, his kindness, his darkness which make him so complex and awesome. I really relate to him. Now let's talk about the big brother! I've always loved Damon until now. He was a trouble maker, funny, hot, impulsive and had some really good lines. And i understood why ppl loved him so much. Now i can say that i hate him for what he did to Stefan. Through S1 &2 we saw that despite their hatred for each other, they reconnect in some way to be like brothers again. Then why the heck did Damon have to do that? Like Damon said it himself, even in his darkest place, his brother can't let him die. Stefan always stood by him, admitting that he loved him even when he was cruel and evil. All that Damon wants to do is forget about him. Why? So he can be with Elena without feeling guilty? I don't get it and it's like the writers have pulled the brothers 100 steps back. I hate that Damon has changed because of Elena. Stefan changed by himself. I can't agree with him knowing the truth and kissing Elena anyway. It's like he had teamed up with Klaus to take away from his brother the last thing that was still kind of his. I can't agree with the way it happened. My brain won't let me. It was so wrong! The other kiss was as lame as this one. Stefan was in a mess, doing the right thing and it is one of the reasons why i can't and will never ship them. As for Elena, i won't say again how disappointed i am with her. As Brigette said it, we need to know once and for all where she stands because i am sick of seeing her being so judgemental about others and not at all about herself. I'm very mad at her and i hope she's gonna feel bad about herself. I would have rather see the brothers meeting Elena at the same time and her make a choice at some point, but not this, after 2 seasons of a beautiful love story. Total nonsense to me. I could talk about this forever I'm so passionate about this show, and Stefan is one of my favorite characters ever |
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Post by orchid05 on Jan 8, 2012 1:53:10 GMT -5
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I can't see myself trusting Elena again for a while at least, even than it'll never be like it was. 
Something is wrong with those ppl 
I am so over them, i will go down with Stefan, i'm with him until the end. 
