Could Damon killing Klaus have ended better?

[Slash]

So we know that if the gang succeeded in killing Klaus on Prom Night, his Hybrids would have gone after Damon. However, we saw Damon take out a Hybrid like it was nothing and even Stefan downed rabid Ray when distracted.

So what I'm asking, if Stefan had gone with his other option of letting Damon kill Klaus and then freeing himself of compulsion, could they have been better off in the end? Damon, Stefan, Katherine and Mikael versus roughly 15 or so Hybrids from what we saw (more or less). If they had Alaric w/ his gadgets/weapons, Caroline and Bonnie on call (with help/guidance from the Original Witch?) and played the fight smart, could they have won the alternative against leaderless rabid animals? Rid themselves of Klaus and save/protect Damon? Or too big of a risk for both Stefan & Katherine where the option just wasn't even on the table? Plus, Tyler would have been an issue too (but since he's part Vampire now, maybe he could have been compelled by Mikael/Bekah/Elijah).

Should they have played the setup better? Keep Mikael under wraps, get Bekah more on their side, Stefan/Bekah awaken Elijah and fill him in (maybe the other 2 as well), have the others (Bonnie, Caroline, Alaric) waiting in the reserves and then kill Klaus and have everyone move in on finishing the other Hybrids.

A fight/plan like that would have been epic

[Doppelgänger]

That fight WOULD have been epic and fun, and Katherine had sort of incapacitated the hybrids with the wolfsbane bombs so I didn't really get what all the concern was about either. Of course, they would have had to have had time to fill the gang in on what Klaus was up to and decide how to tackle it, but I don't think they would have had a problem with taking the hybrids out from the looks of it. I guess they just wanted to keep ole Klaus around a while longer and frankly, I'm glad they decided that.

[thebabe20]

To be honest I was actually so confused and a little annoyed because I thought this was just the most contrived writing we've ever seen on this show. I absolutely believed that they could have killed Klaus and taken down those hybrids at the same time. Especially since A) Mikael had compelled them to turn on Klaus, and B) Katherine had weakened them with wolfsbane grenades. And like you said, Damon easily ripped one of their hearts out without even breaking a sweat.

I think it's obvious that they didn't want to Klaus to die yet, and they wanted to draw out this whole Stefan/Klaus revenge plot-line also to give Stefan another heroic moment, but I think it could have been handled differently. It actually didn't make much of any sense.

How would the hybrids turn kill Damon when A) They were compelled and B) Weak?

And even if they did, between Katherine, Stefan and Damon, they could have taken them down NO?

Not to mention Damon "missing" Klaus's heart while staking him. Really? If there's one thing Damon's good at it's killing things! No way Damon would have missed his heart!

Don't get me wrong I'm glad Klaus is sticking around longer (I love him ) but I was just annoyed at the way they wrote this, making all the characters look stupid in the process.

[Slash]

Yeah, I like that Klaus is sticking around too but the handling of the whole plan and things surrounding the arc are bothersome. Mikael is touted as this big evil that will be the doom of them all and he's offed just like that? What the hell? Without a fight even. Same with the Hybrids: they're touted as upsetting the balance but I'm just not seeing the threat they pose, especially if someone like Mikael just came in and found a loop-hole in their design right off the bat and the gang is even playing on their Wolfsbane weakness. And you pointed out how they would kill Damon when compelled. Must be unique to Hybrids if they can retain a compulsion from their Maker, even if said Maker has died. How would Klaus know for a fact that would work though? They could all go rabid without him and start slaughtering the town (probably would be fine by him) or they could just end up with free will again. Him knowing that his orders would stick, even in his death has to just be a means for the plot.

I don't exactly mind that Klaus is sticking around but they're really ruining things surrounding that by trying to keep him there.

[thebabe20]

Jan 1, 2012 16:30:33 GMT -5 Slash said:

Yeah, I like that Klaus is sticking around too but the handling of the whole plan and things surrounding the arc are bothersome. Mikael is touted as this big evil that will be the doom of them all and he's offed just like that? What the hell? Without a fight even. Same with the Hybrids: they're touted as upsetting the balance but I'm just not seeing the threat they pose, especially if someone like Mikael just came in and found a loop-hole in their design right off the bat and the gang is even playing on their Wolfsbane weakness. And you pointed out how they would kill Damon when compelled. Must be unique to Hybrids if they can retain a compulsion from their Maker, even if said Maker has died. How would Klaus know for a fact that would work though? They could all go rabid without him and start slaughtering the town (probably would be fine by him) or they could just end up with free will again. Him knowing that his orders would stick, even in his death has to just be a means for the plot.

I don't exactly mind that Klaus is sticking around but they're really ruining things surrounding that by trying to keep him there.

All the hi-lighted parts! Seriously!

If Klaus is dead, isn't whatever compulsion or siring he has on them automatically nullified?

If it isn't, how the heck would Klaus even know that they'd continue to follow his orders in his death? Considering he'd have to be dead first, and then there would be no way for him to know.

Not to mention Mikael's compulsion "Telling them to turn on Klaus." automatically made all of that moot in the first place.

And I was seriously disappointed that they killed off Mikael so easily considering he was supposed to be the "BIG BAD."

Yeah it was all just poor writing all around there. None of it made sense it seemed they A)wanted to keep Klaus around, B)didn't want Stefan to be a bad guy for saving him, so in comes this whole Damon's life card they've continue to wear out, but instead this time it makes absolutely no sense to me. If there is some logic to this whole plot, I wish the writers would have explained it better because it's really confusing.

[Doppelgänger]

Jan 1, 2012 16:30:33 GMT -5 Slash said:

Yeah, I like that Klaus is sticking around too but the handling of the whole plan and things surrounding the arc are bothersome. Mikael is touted as this big evil that will be the doom of them all and he's offed just like that? What the hell? Without a fight even. Same with the Hybrids: they're touted as upsetting the balance but I'm just not seeing the threat they pose, especially if someone like Mikael just came in and found a loop-hole in their design right off the bat and the gang is even playing on their Wolfsbane weakness. And you pointed out how they would kill Damon when compelled. Must be unique to Hybrids if they can retain a compulsion from their Maker, even if said Maker has died. How would Klaus know for a fact that would work though? They could all go rabid without him and start slaughtering the town (probably would be fine by him) or they could just end up with free will again. Him knowing that his orders would stick, even in his death has to just be a means for the plot.

I don't exactly mind that Klaus is sticking around but they're really ruining things surrounding that by trying to keep him there.

I know and they also said this was the biggest fight scene of the show ever so I was so excited for some epic action ...ummmm....still waiting....nope it never happened.

[pixiestyx]

I don't think the hybrids were compelled but it was more part of the sired idea. The whole thing surrounding it is a bit sloppy. I get that they wanted to keep Klaus around but they built up Mikael too much. Klaus and Rebekah feared him and ran from him for 1000 years. Yet he's killed off fairly easily.

It also gets messy when you think about S2 and Elijah. Elijah, presumably, would have also been on the run from Mikael (while he was still on Team Klaus) yet he made no mention of it. He didn't recognize his mother's necklace, one that his sister always wore, when he first met Elena. And when Klaus and Elijah first found Katernina, they didn't seem worried about Mikael coming to get them.

I try not to think about it too much.

[Slash]

Jan 1, 2012 20:04:16 GMT -5 pixiestyx said:

I don't think the hybrids were compelled but it was more part of the sired idea. The whole thing surrounding it is a bit sloppy. I get that they wanted to keep Klaus around but they built up Mikael too much. Klaus and Rebekah feared him and ran from him for 1000 years. Yet he's killed off fairly easily.

It also gets messy when you think about S2 and Elijah. Elijah, presumably, would have also been on the run from Mikael (while he was still on Team Klaus) yet he made no mention of it. He didn't recognize his mother's necklace, one that his sister always wore, when he first met Elena. And when Klaus and Elijah first found Katernina, they didn't seem worried about Mikael coming to get them.

I try not to think about it too much.

I think Mikael's beef was only with Klaus. Bekah has been afraid of him all this time and when she finally sees/confronts him after all these years, he tells her he's never been after her or wanted to harm her. I assume it's the same with the other siblings and Klaus knew this so he created fear with people like Bekah and took the others out of play. I do wonder if Elijah and Mikael ever crossed paths though in that time and 'cleared' things up cause Elijah wasn't even worried about Mikael.

Another glaring issue I have with the storyline is we never got Mikael's side of what happened to the Mother and why exactly he was so obsessed with hunting down Klaus. I got the feeling that as humans, he was extremely tough on Klaus in the event that he himself wasn't around so Klaus would protect the family but there is obviously something more there but we'll never know Mikael's side now that he's dead-dead.

As for the Katerina bit in the flashback, since the trio was always together, I wonder where Bekah was. We've had minimal time of seeing Bekah & Elijah together but it's always one or the other with Klaus. So where was Bekah at this time? The Writers have *A LOT* of holes to fill in regards to the Originals.

[Sweetluv4DE]

Here it is.... They needed a reason for Damon to feel guilty about Elena. So they used Stefan saving him once again as a detour to prolong this eventual setup between Delena and cause some moral dilemma in the SED triangle!

In actuality I think Elena and Damon have every right to be together since they have been brought together time and time again because of circumstances beyond their control and also at the hands of Stefan himself.

Hate to bring this debate back to DE but it is about DE and the brothers. There were a thousand better options out there but Julie and Kevin needed guilt and now they are gonna get it!

[thebabe20]

Jan 2, 2012 1:12:30 GMT -5 Sweetluv4DE said:

Here it is.... They needed a reason for Damon to feel guilty about Elena. So they used Stefan saving him once again as a detour to prolong this eventual setup between Delena and cause some moral dilemma in the SED triangle!

In actuality I think Elena and Damon have every right to be together since they have been brought together time and time again because of circumstances beyond their control and also at the hands of Stefan himself.

Hate to bring this debate back to DE but it is about DE and the brothers. There were a thousand better options out there but Julie and Kevin needed guilt and now they are gonna get it!

I agree as much as we might over think it, I feel it came down to two things.

A) Needing Klaus stick around
B) The whole guilt thing with Damon/Elena/Stefan

I don't mind it, but I guess I just wish it made sense. I've since stopped trying to think about it because it will just drive me crazy, I love this show and I hate when the writers intentions are this transparent, and obvious.

[Slash]

I personally feel that that is a 'fault' of the show. The show has such great characters, a great world/mythos (so far) and some decent/good/interesting stories but I feel they get undermined/shortchanged because of the trio.

[thebabe20]

Jan 2, 2012 13:34:21 GMT -5 Slash said:

I personally feel that that is a 'fault' of the show. The show has such great characters, a great world/mythos (so far) and some decent/good/interesting stories but I feel they get undermined/shortchanged because of the trio.

Oh boy you just opened a can of worms over here
Now I must state everything I think the show does wrong,

I agree, and disagree at the same time. I agree that certain characters and stories get shortchanged, but I disagree that it has to do with the trio, I think it just has to do with too many characters (especially guest stars) which sometimes results to poor writing.

I think after season 1, the show has just lost it's way a little.

Season 1 was brilliant to me, I loved pretty much every episode, minus the pilot (but you know pilots are hardly ever good). I think in season one there was balance.

There was just the right amount of plot and still we we're given insight on the characters and their stories.

But from season two onward it's been mostly, plot, plot, plot and more plot. S3 has been much better than the travesty that was the second season, but still nowhere near as good as season 1 IMO.

I think the show has a lot of potentially great characters, too bad we hardly know them. And I'm actually talking about the Mystic Falls gang not the Originals or other characters that they bring in. Tyler,Bonnie, Matt, Jeremy, Alaric, and the list goes on. I think they all have great potential, but their stories are ignored in favor of crazy plot twist or other characters being introduced.

I like the originals (especially Klaus) but I think it's ridiculous that we know more about them then we know about the characters mentioned above. Especially given the fact that those characters have been there from the beginning and will probably be there long after the originals are gone. We know more about the Original family than we know about Bonnie's family. That just seems a little wrong to me, considering with the exception of Klaus & Mikael most of them were only used to push the plot forward, and Bonnie actually has ties and loved ones in Mystic Falls. I know we're probably going to learn about her family soon but I doubt the writers will devote as much as they should to it.

I think also the show just moves way too fast. Everything happens at neck breaking pace, and it leaves hardly anytime for real emotional fallout over everything that's happened. You hardly get to really see the emotional consequences of what the characters go through because by the next episode they've already moved on to something else, and we get shortchanged a lot of interactions between characters, and to me those kinds of things are important. Without it, the human element is pretty much non-existent.

And somethings are blatantly annoying, like the way the writers kind of ignore certain things. I think they missed a really good opportunity to make Matt interesting when he found out the truth about Vicky's death. He found out all of his friends lied to him, and the Salvatore's were responsible for Vicky dying. What do they do? Ignore it and have Matt all chummy with them in no time.. Really? Most people would have wanted to avenge their sister's death, most people would have felt betrayed by their so called "friends" for keeping this from them. But we got none of that, all we got was him briefly believing that Caroline killed Vicky, and soon it was dropped all together. To me, that was just lazy writing, or they just had too much going on and couldn't do the story-line justice that it deserved.

There's also the fact that certain characters go "missing" during really important events, and we don't get to see their reactions or feelings about said events. Like where was Alaric and Jeremy when Elena was getting drained and almost kidnapped by Klaus? Alaric is her guardian and Jeremy is her brother. Fine I can understand they're not there, but we didn't see any emotional reaction or any feedback from either character about this taking place, it's like they don't even know. Or one character will be dealing with something completely trivial when something HUGE is happening. That was the case with Caroline a lot last season.

Overall I don't think the show's problems has much of anything to do with the trio, it's just the writing. There is no balance, and the most important characters IMO (Mystic Falls folks) are put on the back burner while the writers come up with a ton of crazy plots and new characters to put the focus on. Don't get me wrong I think the guest stars (and their characters) are sometimes great additions but I wish some of that time spent on them were spent on the characters we already have.

[Doppelgänger]

To open an even bigger can of worms, I simply don't care about some of the characters you mentioned, and I think alot of people feel the same way about SOME of the characters on the show so spending alot of time developing those characters would be time away from the ones people actually want to see. I love alot of them, but there's just some that bore me, even some that DO get alot of time. But if, say, the writers decided to deviate off on some tangent to develop all the characters I would lose interest fast.

You are right in that they keep adding new characters and ignoring the old but I think that's because it sparks interest that the old characters just can't do at this point and it IS all about ratings.

[Doppelgänger]

Let's just take Matt for example. The writers wrote him into a corner. He's the HS quarterback, lost his gf who was then dating a vampire. His mother left town. His sister died. Who knows about a Dad. He lives alone and works a dead end low wage job at the Mystic Grill trying to support himself and finish high school. How depressing is that? Poor Matt!

But how would they ever make it interesting now? The best they could do was what they did and incorporate dead Vicky back into his life. And I like Matt! I think he's a sweetheart, but someone who could hold my interest he's not. Frankly it's a wonder he's still on the show and I wouldn't be surprised if he is the one who leaves town in search of dear old Mom or what have you. I believe he has only been around to be the token 'normal' human with no supernatural powers.

[Slash]

Yeah, I'll agree with the pacing of the show being utter crap. It's all over the place. The disappearance of some characters here and there gets really odd as some only disappear from 1 episode when they were right in the middle of their own little side story and are back an episode later. It's just odd and awkward. As for there being too many characters...eh. Maybe, but they're not utilizing them to their best. True Blood has a lot of characters and they do a hell of a better job of pacing and developing everyone. TVD needs to take a few pointers on that.

I do like a lot of characters they've brought in (Mason, Pearl, Jules, Rose, Andie, Mikael, etc.) but they're all so shortlived. It's criminal at times cause they're so interesting and then before you can blink, they're gone. You get a taste of their story/personality/history and then nothing.

As for Matt, his mom is heading up Division. He won't find her unless she wants to be found.