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Post by Slash on Jan 5, 2012 13:14:57 GMT -5
Why does this 'character type' keep getting thrown at us as a lead/main character? Stefan has/had it and now Damon kind of does (along with Caroline), that fairy Edward is doing it along with his family and even Bill in True Blood tried to 'mainstream' by going that route with True Blood but we've seen how much of a Vampire Bill can be (and as of this TVD season, how much one Stefan can be as well). Is there a particular crowd this is appealing to? The 'snake with no venom' a.k.a. a belt. I understand the idea behind wanting to have some form of humanity for these characters but I think that route of 'control' is just  How about moderation in feedings (never enough to kill, wiping the memory) like we've seen here and there in the series instead of just going full on with the Bugs Bunny/Bambi diet? For another matter, is there no interest in Male Lead/Main & Female Supe Love Interest? TVD, True Blood and Twilight have the female lead with male interests but is there just no market for the opposite formula? I think one of the things I've enjoyed a lot about Teen Wolf is that it's a male lead who is the supe and the female love interest is human. Just want to see the formula mixed up a bit more. There is a movie on SyFy called 'The Insatiable' which kind of goes this route. Female Vampire, kind of a 'loser' guy who takes an interest in her and captures her, locks her in his basement, tries to give her the bunny diet so she doesn't kill people again, etc.. Also, anyone else tired of High School? Just me?  /rant |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 5, 2012 13:36:29 GMT -5
I am SO with you and I think the popularity of Damon can attest to the fact that it isn't all about the 'tame' vampire, as I like to call it. So, I'm not sure why the writers at TVD decided to go this route with Damon, too and now Caroline and Tyler as well. Stefan was like that, even in the books, which came before Twitlight...yes that typo was intentional.  I think it was to appeal to the very young crowd who couldn't stomach it any other way, I guess. The high school setting should explain that as well but that IS how the books were so there's no getting around that part. |
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Post by Slash on Jan 5, 2012 14:24:25 GMT -5
I am SO with you and I think the popularity of Damon can attest to the fact that it isn't all about the 'tame' vampire, as I like to call it. So, I'm not sure why the writers at TVD decided to go this route with Damon, too and now Caroline and Tyler as well. Stefan was like that, even in the books, which came before Twitlight...yes that typo was intentional. I think it was to appeal to the very young crowd who couldn't stomach it any other way, I guess. The high school setting should explain that as well but that IS how the books were so there's no getting around that part. Yeah, they've branched it out to all the gang's Vampires now: Damon, Caroline, Tyler and Katherine was even that way when she stayed with them. Caroline is understandable but Damon & Katherine? Tyler is fooling around with the fresh stuff behind everyone's back thanks to Bekah but that's about it. Damon was using Andie for a time but we don't know how exactly that was panning out in her end days. Stefan being that way is fine because of his 'problem' but pushing it off on Damon and Katherine is a bit much given their characters and how long they've been doing things the way they have. It just seems odd to downplay the aspects that make a Vampire a Vampire just to appeal to the younger crowd. What's the point then? Might as well just be a 'superhuman' with the strength/speed and just toss the other Vampire stuff out the window if that's the case. Avoid it altogether or go with something a bit more 'kid friendly'. As for the High School thing, not knocking TVD on this as the books came out in the early 90s, long before the current craze. Just seems like most of what's on and what I'm reading, they're in 'School'. TVD, Teen Wolf, Twilight, House of Night, Vampire Academy (Academy in the title ) and so on. I guess they're playing towards the younger/teen crowd that's still in school and making them think "What if that new kid is a Vampire/Werewolf/Zombie/Frankenstein/Pterodactyl from Outer Space and I fall in love with them?" |
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 6, 2012 1:40:09 GMT -5
Well I don't really consider them vegan vampires since they do drink human blood. I consider animal blood vegan But I think it has something to do with the fact that they or at least Damon wants to keep a low profile, vampires aren't exactly accepted in the MF society not to mention it is a small town, so not wanting to tip people off of their existence with random people dying or going missing every day wouldn't help that. Not to mention Damon ironically is on the Founers council But I don't think Damon is averse to drinking straight from the tap (See him drinking from Caroline's dad and Andie last season) . |
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Post by Slash on Jan 6, 2012 4:43:05 GMT -5
Didn't Caroline mention that they steal the blood? I'm sure Liz helps to cover it up now but it's still an issue with the possibility of someone in the area needing that blood. If they're stealing the blood anyways, just steal straight from the source =\ I just think a 'donor' would be less messy if the Vampire has some control (not killing the person) and just wipes the person's memory. Have them think they passed out after drinking or something. No dying/missing involved.
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Post by pixiestyx on Jan 10, 2012 1:07:16 GMT -5
Pretty much what thebabe said.
I don't really see Damon or Caroline as vegan. They still drink human blood, even if it is mostly from a bag. And Damon was drinking from Andie last season and for all we know, up until she died. Stefan is (was?) totally vegan.
Yes, they do steal the blood, but they could go to different places and compel the people who work there. I think it stems from them wanting to keep a 'low' profile in Mystic Falls, though that was Damon's main concern in S1 for drinking from the bag. Not sure how much it really applies now.
I guess them drinking from blood bags just doesn't bother me that much, as it's still human.
Drinking animal blood is lame because of a) blood bags b) snatch, eat, erase
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 10, 2012 1:28:28 GMT -5
Pretty much what thebabe said. I don't really see Damon or Caroline as vegan. They still drink human blood, even if it is mostly from a bag. And Damon was drinking from Andie last season and for all we know, up until she died. Stefan is (was?) totally vegan. Yes, they do steal the blood, but they could go to different places and compel the people who work there. I think it stems from them wanting to keep a 'low' profile in Mystic Falls, though that was Damon's main concern in S1 for drinking from the bag. Not sure how much it really applies now. I guess them drinking from blood bags just doesn't bother me that much, as it's still human. Drinking animal blood is lame because of a) blood bags b) snatch, eat, erase The 'catch and release' program leaves a couple holes in their neck so I suppose since the council keeps looking for evidence of vampires it makes sense that they are limiting that at least in the immediate area of MF. |
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Post by pixiestyx on Jan 10, 2012 1:33:25 GMT -5
Oh, as for the high school part, I tend not to watch shows set in high school anymore. Since I'm not in high school. TVD is an exception. And TSC, but that show is on the bubble with me.
And to your other point, are you talking strictly 'supernatural' shows? Being Human had a supe male with a human love interest. I've only seen the British version of the show and only the first season and part of the second. There were 3 leads in that show but still.
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Post by Slash on Jan 10, 2012 3:20:08 GMT -5
Being Human doesn't really interest me. I think I watched 3 episodes in and just dropped it. Didn't care for either of the male leads. May have seen a few scattered episodes since then (I know the Vampire guy turned some girl and she was hanging around, I think he failed to wipe another guy's memory, the Werewolf guy had some other Werewolf come in and try to show him how to handle full moons & I believe his sister also found out about him).
Eh, I could probably give it another chance. S2 starts this Monday so maybe...
EDIT: As for the holes in the neck, the Vampire Blood solution? Quick healing effect of it allows the puncture holes to heal up.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 10, 2012 3:41:02 GMT -5
Being Human doesn't really interest me. I think I watched 3 episodes in and just dropped it. Didn't care for either of the male leads. May have seen a few scattered episodes since then (I know the Vampire guy turned some girl and she was hanging around, I think he failed to wipe another guy's memory, the Werewolf guy had some other Werewolf come in and try to show him how to handle full moons & I believe his sister also found out about him). Eh, I could probably give it another chance. S2 starts this Monday so maybe... EDIT: As for the holes in the neck, the Vampire Blood solution? Quick healing effect of it allows the puncture holes to heal up. I suppose they could do that but then they'd have some accidental vampires on their hands probably. I don't think as a general rule they do it when they feed and probably for that reason. A pissed off new vampire for that matter running around clueless is probably not the best thing in the world, especially given their compulsion would be gone and they could say and know who did it to them. I'm wondering what all these hybrids, Stefan and Klaus are doing since they ALL have to feed. It's a wonder there isn't all kinds of death and mayhem going on all over that town at the moment. |
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Post by Slash on Jan 10, 2012 5:45:25 GMT -5
Probably a simple "No" command from Klaus? They do his bidding so as much as "No feeding on innocents" command should keep them in line. I guess they'd resort to local wildlife in that case or Klaus would have them taken care of by having large amounts of blood packs brought in for them.
Don't you need a certain amount of blood in your system to be able to turn or is that just a difference between the books and the show? I think in the books, it was a problem with Elena first turning because she had gotten so much blood from *BOTH* Brothers and the other didn't know it.
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Post by pixiestyx on Jan 11, 2012 0:13:04 GMT -5
Being Human doesn't really interest me. I think I watched 3 episodes in and just dropped it. Didn't care for either of the male leads. May have seen a few scattered episodes since then (I know the Vampire guy turned some girl and she was hanging around, I think he failed to wipe another guy's memory, the Werewolf guy had some other Werewolf come in and try to show him how to handle full moons & I believe his sister also found out about him). Eh, I could probably give it another chance. S2 starts this Monday so maybe... EDIT: As for the holes in the neck, the Vampire Blood solution? Quick healing effect of it allows the puncture holes to heal up. Sounds like you've seen the American version, which I haven't. I liked the leads in the British version of the show though. Sounds like a couple of the plot lines are similar. |
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