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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 8, 2012 7:32:32 GMT -5
We found out this past episode that Damon has been ingesting vervain so Klaus can't compel him. It made me wonder if even that small amount could cause a vampire to be weakened in some capacity. They never really have talked about that aspect. If large amounts can completely take them down, what does a small amount do? Nothing? That wouldn't really make sense. If it's going to work to protect them from compulsion it should work in other ways too.
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Post by Slash on Jan 8, 2012 9:57:41 GMT -5
We'd probably have to know just how much. If it's a tiny bit that sort of 'accumulates' over drinks but isn't enough to weaken their body (the body kind of breaks down that tiny amount but it's still present enough to let them fight off compulsion), then that may be what's going on but then that brings to question how much is too much. Wasn't Katherine captured by Damon & Stefan's father because she took a hit of vervain from Stefan's blood? How much was that if it was enough to knock her out and had she been on a vervain diet at the time?
Maybe their bodies have built up a sort of immunity to lower amounts of the stuff? I'd actually like to know an actual answer to this as well. Maybe someone could tweet KW/JP about it cause it is interesting to know. We know human blood gives Vampires the most kick so what kind of offset would the vervain have on that gain/strength?
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 8, 2012 11:55:44 GMT -5
We'd probably have to know just how much. If it's a tiny bit that sort of 'accumulates' over drinks but isn't enough to weaken their body (the body kind of breaks down that tiny amount but it's still present enough to let them fight off compulsion), then that may be what's going on but then that brings to question how much is too much. Wasn't Katherine captured by Damon & Stefan's father because she took a hit of vervain from Stefan's blood? How much was that if it was enough to knock her out and had she been on a vervain diet at the time? Maybe their bodies have built up a sort of immunity to lower amounts of the stuff? I'd actually like to know an actual answer to this as well. Maybe someone could tweet KW/JP about it cause it is interesting to know. We know human blood gives Vampires the most kick so what kind of offset would the vervain have on that gain/strength? I think the high-lighted part is correct. I think their bodies sort of build an immunity to it, hence Damon didn't have a cough attack despite having vervaine in his alcohol. Whereas when Mason put some in his lemonade back in early S2, since he wasn't immune to it, it weakened him. IDK. At least that's what I think.. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 8, 2012 12:06:12 GMT -5
Yeah but how could he be immune to the effects but yet still have it effect whether he can be compelled or not? See what I'm saying? He's either immune or he's not. I get that the idea is he's immune to being compelled but I don't get that it doesn't effect him in other ways, ie, weakens him even if it doesn't make him drop to the floor necessarily. I guess we probably won't get an answer to that but it made me think. It seems to me to get the desireable effect (not being able to be compelled) that it should still have undesireable effects (weakens him, albeit not to the point of being incapacitated due to the immunity factor). This would, of course, only apply to vampires using vervain, but it makes more sense to me then hey, it's all good, nobody can compel them now.
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Post by Slash on Jan 8, 2012 13:40:39 GMT -5
Whatever achieves what the Writers want? They don't expect a good portion of their viewership to be analyzing things the way we do. That's all I can come up with if it's not an immunity to the effects it has internally on him (weakening) but not on the desired effect he wants (resisting compulsion).
You know, Matt mentioned they've been putting it in the coffee at the Grill for the longest but what about other drinks? Damon obviously hasn't had this 'immunity' for that long (the Mason bit that was mentioned unless that was just a heavy does but it'd have to be light enough in itself to not cause suspicion from others about the taste) so couldn't he have been caught at the Grill before?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 8, 2012 19:11:23 GMT -5
I remember a while back Damon was having a conversation with John and said he and Stefan had been drinking it and also Elena gave some to Stefan in a drink in one episode, but somewhere along the way, Stefan apparently stopped taking it or else he'd have never been able to be compelled and jeesh he should have known THAT would happen if he signed up with Klaus.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 8, 2012 20:25:57 GMT -5
It's like a snake bite. You can become immune to it's poison and get bit time and time again and not die. But if the right snake, with the right amount of poison and in the right spot bites you whether you built an immunity to bites or not you will DIE!
I've seen that on the animism plant! Two points for Sarah! tee hee lol
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Post by Princess of Darkness on Jan 9, 2012 6:29:59 GMT -5
I think I remember it being said in the first season that vervain weakens a vampire, and so, prevents you from being compelled. So because Damon has built a tolerance, he is able to consume it without being weakened. I guess we are to assume that Klaus on the other hand, does not have any tolerance for it, and so, cannot compel Damon, because when around him, he is weakened by the vervain. Personally, I wouldn't think an original would be bothered by it.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 9, 2012 7:42:03 GMT -5
That's true too and didn't he compel Katherine who had supposedly been consuming vervain ever since she got caught because of Stefan in 1864? Yet Damon gave her vervain when she was around Klaus. Klaus still bit her at the end to show Stefan the cure for a wolf bite as well and nothing happened to him. I suppose it seems that it is whatever is convenient for the writers and some of these things get forgotten when something needs to happen in the show.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 9, 2012 12:36:16 GMT -5
Ok I think I misunderstood the whole thread... I will leave now..... hahaha
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Post by LovingDamon4Ever on Jan 9, 2012 12:39:06 GMT -5
Katherine was the first one to mention she had been ingesting vervain to build up a tolerance. Small amounts over time...because of what happened to her in 1864.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 9, 2012 14:12:33 GMT -5
Right and Klaus bit her and we know she was ingesting it then because Damon gave it to her and she was just pretending to be compelled after that point so right there is a discrepancy. Even if she HAD stopped taking it after taking it for 145 years...we know she was taking it by that point. Bah...I hate it when they do that stuff. So...hmmm...my conclusion is that it doesn't take very much vervain to thwart compulsion while still not having negative effects on the vampire taking it...voila!
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