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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 18, 2012 22:32:07 GMT -5
I don't think anything will ever convince me that Katherine loved Damon. I'm sorry but there is no love that selfish, screwed up or destructive. I don't understand this kind of love at all, it doesn't register in my brain. How could she claim to love Damon when she almost had him killed to save her own a**? What kind of love is that? If you love someone you put their safety first, it would cause you pain to see them hurt or dead. The fact that she could coerce Damon to kill Elijah with the dagger knowing what it would do to him, does not show her love for him IMO. The fact that she could could let him spend all of his eternity with one mission in mind, with one goal, one purpose for his entire life, and have the audacity not to be in that tomb, when he gets there is beyond cruel. And why was that again? Oh right, because she thought he'd be a nuisance. In the flashback when Stefan and Damon are shot, she stepped over Damon's dead body like he was a pile of trash on the floor to get to Stefan so she could declare her undying love for him. She didn't even give Damon a second glance, and I'm supposed to believe she loved Damon. For me, Katherine has no love for Damon, and she never has. Nothing they've shown me so far can convince me otherwise.
To say that she loved Stefan and Damon differently or she just loved Stefan more doesn't quite register to me either. I don't think she loved them differently, I just think she only loved Stefan. There's a reason she always looked out for him, there's a reason she risks getting caught by Klaus for him. There's a reason she claimed to come back him, she did none of these things for Damon. So where exactly am I supposed to buy her sudden love of Damon from? What has she ever done to actually prove she loved Damon? Actions speak louder than words and her actions toward Damon are saying something else entirely.
The writers could attempt to re-write this if they please, but I know what they showed me and that was not Katherine loving Damon.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 18, 2012 23:16:03 GMT -5
I agree with you for the most part only I take it just a little bit further into the realm of her being somewhat sociopathic/antisocial/histrionic from a psychological point of view, in my mind. It fits her profile to a T. I think that her idea of love is very warped and persuing what she can't have is more important to her than love is or perhaps that's what she sees as love itself, the chase.
That would explain why, now that Damon isn't interested, she keeps persuing him and is now claiming to have loved him. She really has no idea what love is, in my opinion. I think the writers could try to rewrite what we saw happen but it wouldn't really fit into what I've seen and decided was wrong with her. If they did they'd be throwing her out of character as far as I am concerned. But I guess it's their character to write as they see fit.
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Post by pixiestyx on Jan 18, 2012 23:24:22 GMT -5
Katherine may love Damon, but she loves herself more. I also think she loves Stefan more (but not more than herself), if this makes sense. I think that DK can co-exist and have some kind of friendship but as for them ending up together I just don't see it. Even if it is not a DE ending. I see SK or even Elijah/Katherine (almost put EK and then thought that might look like Elena/Katherine which would be really weird  ) but not DK. |
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 18, 2012 23:46:21 GMT -5
I agree with you for the most part only I take it just a little bit further into the realm of her being somewhat sociopathic/antisocial/histrionic from a psychological point of view, in my mind. It fits her profile to a T. I think that her idea of love is very warped and persuing what she can't have is more important to her than love is or perhaps that's what she sees as love itself, the chase. That would explain why, now that Damon isn't interested, she keeps persuing him and is now claiming to have loved him. She really has no idea what love is, in my opinion. I think the writers could try to rewrite what we saw happen but it wouldn't really fit into what I've seen and decided was wrong with her. If they did they'd be throwing her out of character as far as I am concerned. But I guess it's their character to write as they see fit. I get what you're saying and maybe I would agree but I feel like we've been shown that Katherine has the ability to love like any other person. In 1864 Stefan wasn't playing hard to get but she fell in love with him anyway. He was almost as sweet as Damon, called her an angel and was as devoted to her as Damon was, died for her just like Damon did. Yet she still loved him, she still kissed him and declared her love for him while he laid dead on the ground. I don't think Katherine has a warped idea of love when it comes to Damon, I just don't think she loved him. When she loves someone you see the lengths she's willing to go for them (i.e Stefan). I do agree that to some extent she likes what she can't have. Now that Damon is over her, she enjoys chasing him and seducing him, but I also think that this Damon is someone she doesn't recognize. He's not the naive innocent boy she knew in 1864. She's admitted to being a lot more attracted to this Damon. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 18, 2012 23:53:20 GMT -5
I personally don't see her actions toward Stefan as proof of love either, really. Maybe she just liked the idea of being called an angel. I think Pixie has it right, she loves herself, and she loves the idea of being an angel although I think it shocked her more than anything that night, at least that's how I took it. Not everyone is normal and can love. They may think they can because of course nobody can really explain what love is to someone else adequately, I don't think. Her whole concept of it just seems off, shallow and self serving. Honestly I have a couple of theories on her. This is one of them that fits well in my opinion.
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 18, 2012 23:59:43 GMT -5
I guess I have a hard time associating love with being completely self serving.  To me that's not love. I know love can be selfish at times, but completely self serving is something else entirely. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 19, 2012 0:56:59 GMT -5
That's my point, too. Her actions do not say love. They say self serving, self love, but they don't show love to another the way it should be. Do you think her sleeping with both brothers simultaneously while compelling Stefan not to tell Damon of her plans or be afraid of her, if she supposedly loved Stefan makes any sense from a 'love' perspective? It doesn't. It was entirely self serving. She can call it love and in her mind it's love, but her idea of love is not love, it's warped.
That's why I believe she doesn't actually love either of them, not in a real love that we would call love kind of way. She's kind of a sick individual. She says, "love" we immediately think of love in the way we believe love to be, but that is not necessarily true with someone like her.
Some people don't 'think' like the rest of us do. The way she stabbed Stefan when he said he hated her and she said it didn't sound like the end but the beginning of a love story? There's nothing normal about the way she thinks. The writers could of course go in another direction, but what we've seen so far has not been love toward either brother.
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 19, 2012 1:48:13 GMT -5
That's my point, too. Her actions do not say love. They say self serving, self love, but they don't show love to another the way it should be. Do you think her sleeping with both brothers simultaneously while compelling Stefan not to tell Damon of her plans or be afraid of her, if she supposedly loved Stefan makes any sense from a 'love' perspective? It doesn't. It was entirely self serving. She can call it love and in her mind it's love, but her idea of love is not love, it's warped. That's why I believe she doesn't actually love either of them, not in a real love that we would call love kind of way. She's kind of a sick individual. She says, "love" we immediately think of love in the way we believe love to be, but that is not necessarily true with someone like her. Some people don't 'think' like the rest of us do. The way she stabbed Stefan when he said he hated her and she said it didn't sound like the end but the beginning of a love story? There's nothing normal about the way she thinks. The writers could of course go in another direction, but what we've seen so far has not been love toward either brother. I get what you're saying and I do agree her actions towards Stefan was self serving to some degree. Despite these things I've actually seen genuine affection for Stefan whether or not it's actually love can be disputed , but I know it's heck of a lot more than she ever shown to Damon. So while I can possibly buy the possibility of her loving Stefan, I'd never be able to buy her loving Damon in any capacity. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 19, 2012 3:06:54 GMT -5
Well, we agree on the Damon part anyway. |
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Post by Aubrey on Mar 14, 2012 20:18:44 GMT -5
I know I'm late commenting on this but I just had to I've thought about a DK endgame but then I had to realize how much of a bad idea that would be because of all the emotional damage Katherine has done to Damon (the only thing I would probably like from DK is hot steamy sex scene that's about it ) Even if SE not endgame I don't want a SK endgame I would rather Stefan ride off into the sunset by himself Katherine is selfish and she only really cares about herself...She needs to stay in the past |
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Post by Slash on Mar 14, 2012 20:42:10 GMT -5
I think Katherine herself needs some sort of revelation and a chance to change. That might be quite the task though cause she's been on the run for some 500 odd years from Klaus and maybe even Elijah. I think she needs to realize that if she were to drop her particular habits such as stabbing people in the back that would call her a 'friend' upon first meeting and just generally leaving everyone to rot to save herself, she could actually have a chance with one of the Brothers if she worked towards that forgiveness.
Klaus & Elijah seem to be paying her no nevermind now (granted she's been MIA) so if she were to just cool it and hang around, help out, try to live normally without all the manipulation, I think she could be on her way. If the character she was when she first met the Brothers wasn't a lie, then I think if Elena doesn't choose one of them and Katherine from 1864 (that was the year, right?) returns, then I think she could end up 'happily' with one of the Brothers without it being a sham.
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Post by Aubrey on Mar 14, 2012 20:56:44 GMT -5
I think Katherine herself needs some sort of revelation and a chance to change. That might be quite the task though cause she's been on the run for some 500 odd years from Klaus and maybe even Elijah. I think she needs to realize that if she were to drop her particular habits such as stabbing people in the back that would call her a 'friend' upon first meeting and just generally leaving everyone to rot to save herself, she could actually have a chance with one of the Brothers if she worked towards that forgiveness. Klaus & Elijah seem to be paying her no nevermind now (granted she's been MIA) so if she were to just cool it and hang around, help out, try to live normally without all the manipulation, I think she could be on her way. If the character she was when she first met the Brothers wasn't a lie, then I think if Elena doesn't choose one of them and Katherine from 1864 (that was the year, right?) returns, then I think she could end up 'happily' with one of the Brothers without it being a sham. I'm ok with her given a chance to change but I still don't think she deserves either brother...I'm ok with them forgiving her but I don't think I'll be ok with her ending up with either of them |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 15, 2012 3:54:44 GMT -5
I don't think Damon would ever trust her again, not with his heart. I could see her with Stefan though. I could see her helping him with his ripper ways and not being judgemental while he works his way through that. I don't think Elena is in any way capable of helping him with that and it's really what he needs right now. First of all, Katherine's his sire to begin with and if anyone should be helping him, it's her anyway.  If she wants to make up for lost time, that would be one way she could do it. |
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Post by Slash on Mar 15, 2012 6:16:59 GMT -5
I think that's a good point. Elena helping him through the Ripper thing isn't going to work, atleast not to help him move past it since he's getting 'clean' for Elena  Aside from her 'love', I don't think she could help him get through it. Katherine however may be. She has a previous relationship with him and could probably keep him in check just the same. Her helping him kick this would do wonders for repairing the damage she's done but it being Katherine, you'd know she'd want something in return for it at the very least (a clear shot? Another chance while Damon is with Elena?). I'm kind of surprised now that I think about it that TVD doesn't carry the same Sire/Maker bond as a few other Vampire media I've been through. They've done it with the Hybrids but I guess if they did it with Vampires, it'd just get in the way of the romance cause Damon would have his hands busy with Vicki at first and then he'd have to go through Caroline too and as of late, even Abby. The Damon/Vicki angle early on would have been entertaining just for the fact that he was messing with everyone at that point and why not use someone they all knew? |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 15, 2012 7:08:17 GMT -5
Yeah they missed an opportunity there.  |
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