Should the 'Trio' have breaks?

[Slash]

Probably going to be an unpopular idea/opinion but does anyone think that the Trio (Damon, Elena, Stefan) should have sort of 'breaks' (a.k.a. other relationships) in between the whole grand scheme of things? I know the books are the basis of the show but when you're transferring that over to a TV show that's going 40+ minutes a week, 22 episodes in a season, for x amount of seasons, I think the whole dynamic should be expanded a bit so these 3 aren't just pining over each other this entire time for those x amount of seasons.

We've kind of seen it played with a little with Damon hooking up with Rose & Andie but they were short lived. I'm talking about something extensive with other characters that you feel is genuine but there is still the notion/inkling that there is something more to be had with another character but not so in your face like it was with Damon & Rose (Rose saying she knows and understands that Damon loves Elena; it'd be fine if they were good together for an extended time and this was a kind of realization at the end for her).

The other thread got me thinking about this topic cause so much is concentrated/riding on this 'triangle' and I just think it needs to be expanded a bit more to other relationships for the main 3 so that when they do come back together, there is some more build-up/progress towards it and the realization that this is the one. I've never been a fan of Damon's insane fixation/obsession with Elena so I'm admittedly looking at this with goggles on.

This goes for everyone though, including Elena. Maybe she doesn't want to date Damon cause she thinks it'll cause trouble with the relationship with Stefan and she doesn't want to put any more stress on that relationship so she ends up dating some other guy that comes in. Stefan during this time hooks up with someone else too (Bekah or Katherine) to try and get past Elena for the time being cause he's not in the right state of mind (and would feel he's better matched up with 1 of these 2 to compliment his ways) and then Damon is left doing a blind double-date with Alaric & Meredith while Meredith invites one of her friends.

[pixiestyx]

To be honest, it hasn't been a TRUE triangle show until this season and that wasn't until the last few episodes.

If you think about it, Elena has been single for a while now. Stefan dumped her in the 3rd episode and she not with Damon. I don't expect something really to happen between them until the finale.

I get what you're trying to say but in some ways this hard for me to answer, because I am so invested in Damon/Elena. I've had to watch SE for 2+ years. I actually really liked Rose and thought she was good for Damon, in a friend with benefits sense. Andie was a bit different, but it didn't bother me THAT much. If Elena was with Stefan, why should Damon be a monk?

It's been a long, slow build towards DE and I would be VERY upset if nothing happens between them by the end of the season. I want them to have their chance.

[willlddcat]

Jan 24, 2012 22:27:42 GMT -5 Slash said:

Probably going to be an unpopular idea/opinion but does anyone think that the Trio (Damon, Elena, Stefan) should have sort of 'breaks' (a.k.a. other relationships) in between the whole grand scheme of things? I know the books are the basis of the show but when you're transferring that over to a TV show that's going 40+ minutes a week, 22 episodes in a season, for x amount of seasons, I think the whole dynamic should be expanded a bit so these 3 aren't just pining over each other this entire time for those x amount of seasons.

We've kind of seen it played with a little with Damon hooking up with Rose & Andie but they were short lived. I'm talking about something extensive with other characters that you feel is genuine but there is still the notion/inkling that there is something more to be had with another character but not so in your face like it was with Damon & Rose (Rose saying she knows and understands that Damon loves Elena; it'd be fine if they were good together for an extended time and this was a kind of realization at the end for her).

The other thread got me thinking about this topic cause so much is concentrated/riding on this 'triangle' and I just think it needs to be expanded a bit more to other relationships for the main 3 so that when they do come back together, there is some more build-up/progress towards it and the realization that this is the one. I've never been a fan of Damon's insane fixation/obsession with Elena so I'm admittedly looking at this with goggles on.

This goes for everyone though, including Elena. Maybe she doesn't want to date Damon cause she thinks it'll cause trouble with the relationship with Stefan and she doesn't want to put any more stress on that relationship so she ends up dating some other guy that comes in. Stefan during this time hooks up with someone else too (Bekah or Katherine) to try and get past Elena for the time being cause he's not in the right state of mind (and would feel he's better matched up with 1 of these 2 to compliment his ways) and then Damon is left doing a blind double-date with Alaric & Meredith while Meredith invites one of her friends.

THIS! I have felt this way for a while now. I feel like doing the repetitive triangle thing season after season will ruin the show. Kind of like it did with Gossip Girl. Blair&Chuck same lines over and over and over. Oh they finally met someone new? Nope. BAM right back were we started with the same storyline. Haha sorry I am just very bitter about that show right now if you can't tell.

I don't watch TVD for the triangle or any of the relationships (although Klaus/Caroline, Elijah/Elena intrigue me) so much. I mostly watch for the cool stuff, like hearts getting ripped out, supernatural beings, hot men ect. But if the writers expanded on the triangle and let the characters date others then I might enjoy that aspect of the show more. Good ideas.

[Slash]

I imagine something will happen before the season is out for Damon & Elena but I'm kind of half way in on that cause of the last episode (Stefan's reaction and Elena seeing he's hurt by her kiss). And for this idea though, I think it would have had to have happened from the start or been the plan from the beginning for these 3 to kind of be more exploring relationships until coming back to these 2 relationships constantly (Damon & Elena and Stefan & Elena). The wait/investment by Damon & Elena fans over this entire time though kind of prevents my idea from happening now though.

Maybe something along the lines of both seeing how Katherine affected them and not wanting to go down that road again but it slowly builds up to both of them once again falling for the same girl and being more vocal/open about it and wanting to be with her.

I really did want to see Damon & Rose explored a bit more and for her to stick around. She'd have been perfect for this idea cause we saw that Damon did genuinely care for her. I do think Damon should be more open to other female characters instead of just using a 'distraction' and then having his entire devotion to Elena. It's actually my big gripe with his character.

I just find it a bit weird that Damon & Stefan have only probably had quick 'flings' with girls before killing them/dropping them and moving on but all of a sudden, Elena is just the standout of their century and a half existence to make them leap over the Moon and go to Mars (although the tie to Katherine is a huge factor). There was Bekah with Stefan but she was put down and Stefan was made to forget about her just like that and I think for Damon, Rose may have been somewhat of a breakthrough for him cause he was trying to change to be a better person for Elena and found someone worthwhile in doing so (other than Elena).

Gah.

[Doppelgänger]

I get what you're saying but, no, I want my DE. If DE had happened and they were taking a break or whatever then yeah, I'd want Damon to explore other relationships but as it is, he's already done that, maybe not seriously, but he's done it.

[Slash]

Jan 25, 2012 0:43:24 GMT -5 willlddcat said:

THIS! I have felt this way for a while now. I feel like doing the repetitive triangle thing season after season will ruin the show. Kind of like it did with Gossip Girl. Blair&Chuck same lines over and over and over. Oh they finally met someone new? Nope. BAM right back were we started with the same storyline. Haha sorry I am just very bitter about that show right now if you can't tell.

I don't watch TVD for the triangle or any of the relationships (although Klaus/Caroline, Elijah/Elena intrigue me) so much. I mostly watch for the cool stuff, like hearts getting ripped out, supernatural beings, hot men ect. But if the writers expanded on the triangle and let the characters date others then I might enjoy that aspect of the show more. Good ideas.

I think it may get stale going forward if it's just these 3 bantering back and forth with no one to offer some 'relaxation' to the whole relationship. I think the Salvatores would benefit a bit as Brothers if there was some down time where both of them weren't eying Elena at the same time and it would keep them from fighting amongst each other on that front.

I don't watch it for the triangle either (I came in not knowing what was what ) so much as I do the supernatural aspect (same with True Blood). I just think a step outside of the 'triangles' with these shows would be interesting, mainly for a chance to not see the characters being so down in the dumps about things not going their way in the triangle and to see them more often in a happy relationship. One of the other supernatural shows I'm watching, Lost Girl, is doing the triangle thing as well (although it's a straight/lesbian triangle) and as of late, she's been with neither involved party (both have other loves they've moved back to) but in the latest episode, seems to have stepped out into exploring a 3rd party with the lead which I thought was a great change of pace compared to TVD and TB. Just something different in the mix.

I think this triangle stuff in general has worn thin with me cause of the stereotypical way it's been handled

[Slash]

Jan 25, 2012 1:02:36 GMT -5 Doppelgänger said:

I get what you're saying but, no, I want my DE. If DE had happened and they were taking a break or whatever then yeah, I'd want Damon to explore other relationships but as it is, he's already done that, maybe not seriously, but he's done it.

Understand that I understand this The buildup they've had for Damon & Elena makes this virtually a no-go until Damon & Elena have happened cause if they were to just spring this kind of thing right now, although I'm not invested in Damon & Elena, I'd feel cheated too. I *EXPECT* something significant to happen for the 2 before this season is done as I'd find it hard for them to draw this out another year with just simply a kiss. If nothing does, I'm just going to flip that switch to just shut out the relationship part of Damon/Elena/Stefan and just look at them solely in regards to the story.

I think it would be nice if after they've had their time together, all parties feel like they need to step back and explore a bit more before realizing that this is the one for them (Damon & Elena or Stefan & Elena or even realizing that they may be better off with someone else entirely from that exploration). I'm just saying, I don't want to see it solely be these 3 when the series finale is coming up.

[Doppelgänger]

I hate to say it but for me the story isn't strong enough on it's own. It's so full of holes it's like swiss cheese. The supernatural are either weak (hybrids), I don't know what their abilities actually are (werewolves), rare and frankly annoyingly judgmental (witches) or their powers have been forgotten (vampires) or vague (originals). I don't think the story can hold up on it's own merits without the triangle, at least not for me. Now I watch true blood and I don't really even care about the love thing there. It hasn't really caught my attention yet so that says the story can stand on its own and has for me so far but I am slow to get caught up and am only in season 3.

I'd love to get off the one week on, one week off routine we seem to have with the triangle where I can feel like progress is made one week then lost the next. I'm really over that, but there just isn't anything else that holds my attention in the show well enough to be able to say that isn't my main focus.

[Slash]

Jan 25, 2012 1:32:09 GMT -5 Doppelgänger said:

I hate to say it but for me the story isn't strong enough on it's own. It's so full of holes it's like swiss cheese. The supernatural are either weak (hybrids), I don't know what their abilities actually are (werewolves), rare and frankly annoyingly judgmental (witches) or their powers have been forgotten (vampires) or vague (originals). I don't think the story can hold up on it's own merits without the triangle, at least not for me. Now I watch true blood and I don't really even care about the love thing there. It hasn't really caught my attention yet so that says the story can stand on its own and has for me so far but I am slow to get caught up and am only in season 3.

I'd love to get off the one week on, one week off routine we seem to have with the triangle where I can feel like progress is made one week then lost the next. I'm really over that, but there just isn't anything else that holds my attention in the show well enough to be able to say that isn't my main focus.

The show has no consistency or skips over stuff so quick that you never get the full details (Werewolves). I know it's 'Vampire' Diaries but since they've made Witches & Werewolves such a large part lately, I feel like they're skimping on the details so I agree with you there. They've done nothing to make good on the thread of Hybrids. May be a case of putting nearly all their eggs in one basket. There are some interest ideas/stories here but if you look a bit too closely, you see where it falls apart in some areas. The pacing at times does also seem erratic or certain things happen off screen where you're going back wondering when so and so found out about something.

With True Blood, it has the benefit of having so many branching stories going on at once that I find I can constantly find something to enjoy outside of the relationships: Werewolves, Fairies, Shifters, Werepanthers, Witches, Demons, Vampires, Demi-Gods, and so on.

EDIT: Saw your edit. I took an issue with this in the last episode. They have the kiss, she seems fine with him the following episode and then in the last episode, she's completely blowing Damon off. I shook my head at that and it didn't help matters with Stefan that same episode. Elena distancing herself from Damon and then seeing Stefan hurt about the kiss. I don't like the back and forth with Damon any more than you do.

[Sweetluv4DE]

There will be other relationships. All other triangle shows I have ever watched have had little relationships in between. Dawson's Creek, OTH, Veronica Mars etc.... You cant go 6 plus seasons without exploring life without said triangle being an issue. You have develop these characters and have them be ok without each other yet be drawn back to one another.

For example in Dawson's Creek Pacey, Dawson and Joey all experienced new relationships in season 5 and 6 yet sort of hooked up too. But when they hooked up in those seasons the others didn't mind so much because they were involved in other relationships. But in order to get there.... we must explore and develop the triangle first!

Elena has to have some sort of relationship with Damon to make the triangle equal and damn it to make it a triangle!

Once Damon and Elena break up I'm sure we will see either SE reuniting to make Elena just not ready and maybe go date a human boy who both brothers will despise under neath it all while they hook up with either a vampire or blood buddy of some kind.

OTH had Felix, Jake and that stupid girl who played Jules on our show but was about to marry Lucas on OTH! So shows do this!

[Slash]

Watch Elena break up with Damon because she's still conflicted about Stefan, but not hook up with Stefan either cause of the crap he's pulled. And if she does date a human guy (God forbid they bring in another supe to date), I guarantee he ends up like the Medical Examiner If Elena puts them both off afterwards, I can see Stefan finally hooking up with Katherine again if he's not entirely clean yet (and they never really went anywhere with that from their time in the Tomb together). Damon will need someone new introduced.

So much hate for Jules. She killed Rose but I wanted to know what her deal was (probably just the way she was raised).

[Doppelgänger]

Hmmm...Jules. We know the general history of the werewolf/vampire hate in the mythology but it would be interesting for them to tell us, in this world, why there's such hate, most especially from werewolves toward vampires. I get that Mikael went and slaughtered Klaus' werewolf family but that was one family. There has to be some more to the story to tell. Perhaps Mikael made it his mission after that to find and kill werewolves wherever, in hopes of finding Klaus and killing him, and that would explain the lack of werewolves, almost their endangered existence that we have today, down to pocket packs hiding in the mountains. It could make an interesting story.

[Slash]

Jan 25, 2012 13:28:26 GMT -5 Doppelgänger said:

Hmmm...Jules. We know the general history of the werewolf/vampire hate in the mythology but it would be interesting for them to tell us, in this world, why there's such hate, most especially from werewolves toward vampires. I get that Mikael went and slaughtered Klaus' werewolf family but that was one family. There has to be some more to the story to tell. Perhaps Mikael made it his mission after that to find and kill werewolves wherever, in hopes of finding Klaus and killing him, and that would explain the lack of werewolves, almost their endangered existence that we have today, down to pocket packs hiding in the mountains. It could make an interesting story.

They really haven't done enough to explain it in the series. I could have sworn it was mentioned that Vampires started exterminating Wolves but I'm not sure if that's my mind playing tricks on me or if it was actually mentioned, hence their rarity (Damon & Stefan not knowing about them, them staying under the radar, Klaus & Stefan spending 2 months looking for 1 pack, etc.). Exterminating does sound like Mikael but then he started feeding on Vampires so he's a mixed bag. Maybe Mikael was killing them because of the death of his son and as a 'safe guard' of sorts to prevent Klaus from ever being able to build a substantial force if he ever turned.

Mikael is gone so we'll never really know I guess

Something else that kind of slipped my mind (from 2 other series) but I guess TVD doesn't have enough mythology behind Wolves, but don't Wolves mate for life? Caroline has been a staple for Tyler since his change so I wonder if they'll even touch on this and that he can't leave Caroline no matter how hard he tries.

[Sweetluv4DE]

I want to know why, the one thing they wanted to protect themselves from, meaning the werewolves is the one thing that can still kill them? Remember they decided to do the curse because of their lost son? The one who died by the men of the moon (werewolves).

So they go through this curse and become monsters to what? Live forever? Well a werewolf bite can still kill a vampire so what were they protecting themselves from? Werewolves? Death? And why werewolves bites?

Sorry we took over the original topic!

[Slash]

Elijah said the bite doesn't affect them. If true, I think the Witches have a hand in manipulating the make up of later Vampire generations to 'level' the field. Remember, they were against turning the family so it'd be just like them to do something like that. And it was Death that they were protecting themselves from, more specifically, Mikael wanting to not lose another child. They lost one in their homeland to the plague and then they come to New World to lose another to Wolves.

And we were going to go off-topic one way or the other. It always happens. If someone else didn't do it, I would have