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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 2, 2012 10:13:18 GMT -5
If Damon gets a free pass for being an emotional impulsive kind of guy then Stefan should get one too. Stefan has this awful mean ripper side to him that took him years to leave behind. He never wanted to come back to this but Klaus forced it on him. Lexi told them what they had to do and how long and hard it would take. Damon is the one who freed him too soon. So if anyone is to blame it would be Klaus and Damon for not letting him get the help he needed. Should Elena forgive Stefan? Not right now. Maybe once he recovers and offers a heartfelt apology, but until then, no. I think Damon is far worse. Damon continues to hurt people even if they do have rings. Its still awful to watch someone die. Alaric didn't forgive him right away. Maybe Jeremy did because he desperately wanted to be involved with what was going on. Just when you think knowing and loving Elena has changed him he does something stupid. Damon is especially cruel for going after the girl his own brother loves. Can everyone on this board seriously sit here and say that if they were dating possibly the love of their life that they would be ok with their sibling going after them knowing full well that you love them? You can't lie and say that that wouldn't hurt like hell. Stefan is sick right now and knowing that something is going on between the two is probably making it worse. As of right now I feel Damon is worse. That could change in the future. I also want to point out that I am not bias to anyone. I could care less about the Stefan, Elena, Damon triangle. Sorry, don't agree with you. I think that yes, Stefan should eventually be forgiven just like Damon was eventually forgiven but he wasn't given a free pass, as you put it. Several of us pointed out the ways he paid for what he did in the above replies. But if I were Elena, I don't know if I'd want to have a love relationship with Stefan again. I guess it will depend on his recovery and how he deals with what he did to her. I mean it's possible but it should take some time. As for Damon loving the same girl, you make it sound like he did it on purpose. He definitely didn't set out to fall in love with Elena. In fact, if you go back to the first episodes he wanted to make her miserable and even stated he hoped she died at one point. He didn't automatically go for her just because Stefan was with her. He had plans to make them both miserable! But he fell in love with her and as some have stated, it seems to be destiny for those two to fall for the doppelganger for whatever reason. This is the second time it's happened. I'd start to wonder why the heck it keeps happening, wouldn't you? For all we know there could have been some sort of spell put on them/their family to fall for her so they'd protect her through the ages. I don't know, but it's possible. There's certainly more to it than just Damon trying to steal Stefan's girl as you are implying. I don't ascribe to that position at all. This was supposed to happen and Damon had little control over falling in love with her. It would be interesting to see if it really is some sort of destiny/spell that has made it happen or just dumb luck/fate. Either way, it wasn't a choice, perse, for Damon to fall in love with Elena. |
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Post by willlddcat on Feb 2, 2012 10:37:34 GMT -5
If Damon gets a free pass for being an emotional impulsive kind of guy then Stefan should get one too. Stefan has this awful mean ripper side to him that took him years to leave behind. He never wanted to come back to this but Klaus forced it on him. Lexi told them what they had to do and how long and hard it would take. Damon is the one who freed him too soon. So if anyone is to blame it would be Klaus and Damon for not letting him get the help he needed. Should Elena forgive Stefan? Not right now. Maybe once he recovers and offers a heartfelt apology, but until then, no. I think Damon is far worse. Damon continues to hurt people even if they do have rings. Its still awful to watch someone die. Alaric didn't forgive him right away. Maybe Jeremy did because he desperately wanted to be involved with what was going on. Just when you think knowing and loving Elena has changed him he does something stupid. Damon is especially cruel for going after the girl his own brother loves. Can everyone on this board seriously sit here and say that if they were dating possibly the love of their life that they would be ok with their sibling going after them knowing full well that you love them? You can't lie and say that that wouldn't hurt like hell. Stefan is sick right now and knowing that something is going on between the two is probably making it worse. As of right now I feel Damon is worse. That could change in the future. I also want to point out that I am not bias to anyone. I could care less about the Stefan, Elena, Damon triangle. Sorry, don't agree with you. I think that yes, Stefan should eventually be forgiven just like Damon was eventually forgiven but he wasn't given a free pass, as you put it. Several of us pointed out the ways he paid for what he did in the above replies. But if I were Elena, I don't know if I'd want to have a love relationship with Stefan again. I guess it will depend on his recovery and how he deals with what he did to her. I mean it's possible but it should take some time. As for Damon loving the same girl, you make it sound like he did it on purpose. He definitely didn't set out to fall in love with Elena. In fact, if you go back to the first episodes he wanted to make her miserable and even stated he hoped she died at one point. He didn't automatically go for her just because Stefan was with her. He had plans to make them both miserable! But he fell in love with her and as some have stated, it seems to be destiny for those two to fall for the doppelganger for whatever reason. This is the second time it's happened. I'd start to wonder why the heck it keeps happening, wouldn't you? For all we know there could have been some sort of spell put on them/their family to fall for her so they'd protect her through the ages. I don't know, but it's possible. There's certainly more to it than just Damon trying to steal Stefan's girl as you are implying. I don't ascribe to that position at all. This was supposed to happen and Damon had little control over falling in love with her. It would be interesting to see if it really is some sort of destiny/spell that has made it happen or just dumb luck/fate. Either way, it wasn't a choice, perse, for Damon to fall in love with Elena. I didn't see your post before I modified mine. Ya I don't think Elena should get back with Stefan after she forgives him, if she ever does. I know people didn't forgive Damon right away in viewer time but if we are talking mystic falls time, then I do think it was pretty quick. Especially for the people who lost someone. If I were Matt, Carolines mother, Bonnie, or any others who he wronged, trust me, I would stake that ... I guess since I am not invested in the triangle I haven't heard about the whole destiny thing. It is an interesting theory. However, I also think that Damon can control his emotions. He may love her, but the fact is, his brother was with her first. I feel he should respect that and not make it so obvious he wants to be with her. He should have just kept it to himself if he really loved his brother. If this is some kind of curse though, then I suppose I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it since they can't control it. Should the curse be broken, and we see Damon was meant for Elena, then that would be ok since Stefan would be free. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 2, 2012 11:42:01 GMT -5
If Damon gets a free pass for being an emotional impulsive kind of guy then Stefan should get one too. Stefan has this awful mean ripper side to him that took him years to leave behind. He never wanted to come back to this but Klaus forced it on him. Lexi told them what they had to do and how long and hard it would take. Damon is the one who freed him too soon. So if anyone is to blame it would be Klaus and Damon for not letting him get the help he needed. Should Elena forgive Stefan? Not right now. Maybe once he recovers and offers a heartfelt apology, but until then, no. I also don't think he deserves to have Elena back. Damon continues to hurt people even if they do have rings. Its still awful to watch someone die. Alaric didn't forgive him right away. Maybe Jeremy did because he desperately wanted to be involved with what was going on. Just when you think knowing and loving Elena has changed him he does something stupid. Damon is especially cruel for going after the girl his own brother loves. Can everyone on this board seriously sit here and say that if they were dating possibly the love of their life that they would be ok with their sibling going after them knowing full well that you love them? You can't lie and say that that wouldn't hurt like hell. Stefan is sick right now and knowing that something is going on between the two is probably making it worse. And his own brother killed his best friend. Lexi is DEAD. Never coming back. As of right now I feel Damon is worse. That could change in the future. I also want to point out that I am not bias to anyone. I could care less about the Stefan, Elena, Damon triangle. I know it seems like I am super pro Stefan but I am not. I still think he is horrible for what he is doing and should suffer the consequences. When it comes to Damon and Stefan and Elena love we have threads full of comments in there about that one. It's so funny how people who like Stefan and this may not be you bc you say you are not biased but i noticed those who like Stefan see it as it's his brother etc etc and people who like Damon don't see it as something just based off the surface. I made a whole comment on how I think the triangle is a supernatural one. Something both brothers actually cant help bc they were changed by a doppelganger Kat and meant to meet Elena. Not one of them owns her and vice versa. Both were to meet her, love her and protect her. Rules that are only of the supernatural basis. But if your interested in that view you can read it in the Elena hate thread. Back to Stefan and Damon both are horrific for their crimes against human kind and their crimes against each other. neither one is worse. That's like calling Dracula good but Mikael better. There is no better. They both have done ugly. Neither is worse to me. Damon may have hurt Stefan more when it came to Lexi vs Andie but both brothers have hurt each other equally. Stefan isn't an idiot. he knew Damon would love Elena. SHE LOOKS JUST LIKE KAT. Something that intrigued him first. Why wouldn't it Damon? She is the second doppelganger. A remake of the first that BOTH loved, yet Elena is 100 times better. Just bc Stefan saw her first she is immediately his? Nope. Not buying it. There is something more than just us "moral" human beings can understand. It's more than the surface it's his brothers girl crud. So Damon is not worse because of his love for Elena. Especially when Stefan has used his love for Elena to help protect her time and time again. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 2, 2012 14:44:17 GMT -5
Sorry, don't agree with you. I think that yes, Stefan should eventually be forgiven just like Damon was eventually forgiven but he wasn't given a free pass, as you put it. Several of us pointed out the ways he paid for what he did in the above replies. But if I were Elena, I don't know if I'd want to have a love relationship with Stefan again. I guess it will depend on his recovery and how he deals with what he did to her. I mean it's possible but it should take some time. As for Damon loving the same girl, you make it sound like he did it on purpose. He definitely didn't set out to fall in love with Elena. In fact, if you go back to the first episodes he wanted to make her miserable and even stated he hoped she died at one point. He didn't automatically go for her just because Stefan was with her. He had plans to make them both miserable! But he fell in love with her and as some have stated, it seems to be destiny for those two to fall for the doppelganger for whatever reason. This is the second time it's happened. I'd start to wonder why the heck it keeps happening, wouldn't you? For all we know there could have been some sort of spell put on them/their family to fall for her so they'd protect her through the ages. I don't know, but it's possible. There's certainly more to it than just Damon trying to steal Stefan's girl as you are implying. I don't ascribe to that position at all. This was supposed to happen and Damon had little control over falling in love with her. It would be interesting to see if it really is some sort of destiny/spell that has made it happen or just dumb luck/fate. Either way, it wasn't a choice, perse, for Damon to fall in love with Elena. I didn't see your post before I modified mine. Ya I don't think Elena should get back with Stefan after she forgives him, if she ever does. I know people didn't forgive Damon right away in viewer time but if we are talking mystic falls time, then I do think it was pretty quick. Especially for the people who lost someone. If I were Matt, Carolines mother, Bonnie, or any others who he wronged, trust me, I would stake that ... I guess since I am not invested in the triangle I haven't heard about the whole destiny thing. It is an interesting theory. However, I also think that Damon can control his emotions. He may love her, but the fact is, his brother was with her first. I feel he should respect that and not make it so obvious he wants to be with her. He should have just kept it to himself if he really loved his brother. If this is some kind of curse though, then I suppose I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it since they can't control it. Should the curse be broken, and we see Damon was meant for Elena, then that would be ok since Stefan would be free. Well Damon can't pick and choose what emotions to turn off. If he turns it off it all goes off so I don't think that's really a viable option because he'd become the bloodthirsty killer again and nobody wants that. |
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Post by willlddcat on Feb 2, 2012 14:59:12 GMT -5
If Damon gets a free pass for being an emotional impulsive kind of guy then Stefan should get one too. Stefan has this awful mean ripper side to him that took him years to leave behind. He never wanted to come back to this but Klaus forced it on him. Lexi told them what they had to do and how long and hard it would take. Damon is the one who freed him too soon. So if anyone is to blame it would be Klaus and Damon for not letting him get the help he needed. Should Elena forgive Stefan? Not right now. Maybe once he recovers and offers a heartfelt apology, but until then, no. I also don't think he deserves to have Elena back. Damon continues to hurt people even if they do have rings. Its still awful to watch someone die. Alaric didn't forgive him right away. Maybe Jeremy did because he desperately wanted to be involved with what was going on. Just when you think knowing and loving Elena has changed him he does something stupid. Damon is especially cruel for going after the girl his own brother loves. Can everyone on this board seriously sit here and say that if they were dating possibly the love of their life that they would be ok with their sibling going after them knowing full well that you love them? You can't lie and say that that wouldn't hurt like hell. Stefan is sick right now and knowing that something is going on between the two is probably making it worse. And his own brother killed his best friend. Lexi is DEAD. Never coming back. As of right now I feel Damon is worse. That could change in the future. I also want to point out that I am not bias to anyone. I could care less about the Stefan, Elena, Damon triangle. I know it seems like I am super pro Stefan but I am not. I still think he is horrible for what he is doing and should suffer the consequences. When it comes to Damon and Stefan and Elena love we have threads full of comments in there about that one. It's so funny how people who like Stefan and this may not be you bc you say you are not biased but i noticed those who like Stefan see it as it's his brother etc etc and people who like Damon don't see it as something just based off the surface. I made a whole comment on how I think the triangle is a supernatural one. Something both brothers actually cant help bc they were changed by a doppelganger Kat and meant to meet Elena. Not one of them owns her and vice versa. Both were to meet her, love her and protect her. Rules that are only of the supernatural basis. But if your interested in that view you can read it in the Elena hate thread. Back to Stefan and Damon both are horrific for their crimes against human kind and their crimes against each other. neither one is worse. That's like calling Dracula good but Mikael better. There is no better. They both have done ugly. Neither is worse to me. Damon may have hurt Stefan more when it came to Lexi vs Andie but both brothers have hurt each other equally. Stefan isn't an idiot. he knew Damon would love Elena. SHE LOOKS JUST LIKE KAT. Something that intrigued him first. Why wouldn't it Damon? She is the second doppelganger. A remake of the first that BOTH loved, yet Elena is 100 times better. Just bc Stefan saw her first she is immediately his? Nope. Not buying it. There is something more than just us "moral" human beings can understand. It's more than the surface it's his brothers girl crud. So Damon is not worse because of his love for Elena. Especially when Stefan has used his love for Elena to help protect her time and time again. I never said Elena belongs to him like some kind of object. Stefan began dating her. And as soon as that happened I feel like with anyone, whether it be Damon or someone else like that they should lay off . Its not about him claiming her. Its about respect. Maybe if after Stefan is better from his ripper sickness and it doesn't look like there is any hope for Stefan and Elena to get back together then Damon can have a little chit chat with Stefan. He could tell him that he feels a real connection to Elena if Stefan hasn't already noticed and ask if Stefan would mine if he pursued Elena. I think this would have been a better approach brotherly approach. Just bit more respectful. But then I guess we wouldn't have a show right  I was just answering the original question. This is how I feel. I see Stefan almost like an addict. This ripper side of him something horrible that he really doesn't want to be but its like a drug. Once he gets back on track he's going tobe feeling absolutely awful. If he thinks he deserves Elena back after this he is wrong. But if he is truly remorseful I think he does deserve to be forgiven. With Damon I feel like what he does is just him. He is too emotional and Elena only makes it worse at times. Like she is all that matters at alll costs and he doesn't care about anyone else when he is in this mode. Kind of like when he was all violent to people when he wanted Kat out of the tomb. Its his plain lack of respect for people that really gets under my skin. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 2, 2012 15:09:21 GMT -5
When it comes to Damon and Stefan and Elena love we have threads full of comments in there about that one. It's so funny how people who like Stefan and this may not be you bc you say you are not biased but i noticed those who like Stefan see it as it's his brother etc etc and people who like Damon don't see it as something just based off the surface. I made a whole comment on how I think the triangle is a supernatural one. Something both brothers actually cant help bc they were changed by a doppelganger Kat and meant to meet Elena. Not one of them owns her and vice versa. Both were to meet her, love her and protect her. Rules that are only of the supernatural basis. But if your interested in that view you can read it in the Elena hate thread. Back to Stefan and Damon both are horrific for their crimes against human kind and their crimes against each other. neither one is worse. That's like calling Dracula good but Mikael better. There is no better. They both have done ugly. Neither is worse to me. Damon may have hurt Stefan more when it came to Lexi vs Andie but both brothers have hurt each other equally. Stefan isn't an idiot. he knew Damon would love Elena. SHE LOOKS JUST LIKE KAT. Something that intrigued him first. Why wouldn't it Damon? She is the second doppelganger. A remake of the first that BOTH loved, yet Elena is 100 times better. Just bc Stefan saw her first she is immediately his? Nope. Not buying it. There is something more than just us "moral" human beings can understand. It's more than the surface it's his brothers girl crud. So Damon is not worse because of his love for Elena. Especially when Stefan has used his love for Elena to help protect her time and time again. I never said Elena belongs to him like some kind of object. Stefan began dating her. And as soon as that happened I feel like with anyone, whether it be Damon or someone else like that they should lay off . Its not about him claiming her. Its about respect. Maybe if after Stefan is better from his ripper sickness and it doesn't look like there is any hope for Stefan and Elena to get back together then Damon can have a little chit chat with Stefan. He could tell him that he feels a real connection to Elena if Stefan hasn't already noticed and ask if Stefan would mine if he pursued Elena. I think this would have been a better approach brotherly approach. Just bit more respectful. But then I guess we wouldn't have a show right I was just answering the original question. This is how I feel. I see Stefan almost like an addict. This ripper side of him something horrible that he really doesn't want to be but its like a drug. Once he gets back on track he's going tobe feeling absolutely awful. If he thinks he deserves Elena back after this he is wrong. But if he is truly remorseful I think he does deserve to be forgiven. With Damon I feel like what he does is just him. He is too emotional and Elena only makes it worse at times. Like she is all that matters at alll costs and he doesn't care about anyone else when he is in this mode. Kind of like when he was all violent to people when he wanted Kat out of the tomb. Its his plain lack of respect for people that really gets under my skin. I didn't say you said that?  ? I was just stating how I think just because Stefan saw her first doesn't mean he owns her and vice versa. That I wasn't buying it when people say that Stefan and Elena were together first.....My own opinion I threw in there in regards to the whole Damon should respect that Stefan is in love with Elena first thing. Don't throw  at me!!!  I like Dair!  |
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Post by willlddcat on Feb 2, 2012 15:19:30 GMT -5
I never said Elena belongs to him like some kind of object. Stefan began dating her. And as soon as that happened I feel like with anyone, whether it be Damon or someone else like that they should lay off . Its not about him claiming her. Its about respect. Maybe if after Stefan is better from his ripper sickness and it doesn't look like there is any hope for Stefan and Elena to get back together then Damon can have a little chit chat with Stefan. He could tell him that he feels a real connection to Elena if Stefan hasn't already noticed and ask if Stefan would mine if he pursued Elena. I think this would have been a better approach brotherly approach. Just bit more respectful. But then I guess we wouldn't have a show right I was just answering the original question. This is how I feel. I see Stefan almost like an addict. This ripper side of him something horrible that he really doesn't want to be but its like a drug. Once he gets back on track he's going tobe feeling absolutely awful. If he thinks he deserves Elena back after this he is wrong. But if he is truly remorseful I think he does deserve to be forgiven. With Damon I feel like what he does is just him. He is too emotional and Elena only makes it worse at times. Like she is all that matters at alll costs and he doesn't care about anyone else when he is in this mode. Kind of like when he was all violent to people when he wanted Kat out of the tomb. Its his plain lack of respect for people that really gets under my skin. I didn't say you said that? ? I was just stating how I think just because Stefan saw her first doesn't mean he owns her and vice versa. That I wasn't buying it when people say that Stefan and Elena were together first.....My own opinion I threw in there in regards to the whole Damon should respect that Stefan is in love with Elena first thing. Don't throw at me!!! I like Dair! sorry if my tone came off that way. It wasn't meant like that  yay another Dair shipper  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 2, 2012 15:36:12 GMT -5
When it comes to Damon and Stefan and Elena love we have threads full of comments in there about that one. It's so funny how people who like Stefan and this may not be you bc you say you are not biased but i noticed those who like Stefan see it as it's his brother etc etc and people who like Damon don't see it as something just based off the surface. I made a whole comment on how I think the triangle is a supernatural one. Something both brothers actually cant help bc they were changed by a doppelganger Kat and meant to meet Elena. Not one of them owns her and vice versa. Both were to meet her, love her and protect her. Rules that are only of the supernatural basis. But if your interested in that view you can read it in the Elena hate thread. Back to Stefan and Damon both are horrific for their crimes against human kind and their crimes against each other. neither one is worse. That's like calling Dracula good but Mikael better. There is no better. They both have done ugly. Neither is worse to me. Damon may have hurt Stefan more when it came to Lexi vs Andie but both brothers have hurt each other equally. Stefan isn't an idiot. he knew Damon would love Elena. SHE LOOKS JUST LIKE KAT. Something that intrigued him first. Why wouldn't it Damon? She is the second doppelganger. A remake of the first that BOTH loved, yet Elena is 100 times better. Just bc Stefan saw her first she is immediately his? Nope. Not buying it. There is something more than just us "moral" human beings can understand. It's more than the surface it's his brothers girl crud. So Damon is not worse because of his love for Elena. Especially when Stefan has used his love for Elena to help protect her time and time again. I never said Elena belongs to him like some kind of object. Stefan began dating her. And as soon as that happened I feel like with anyone, whether it be Damon or someone else like that they should lay off . Its not about him claiming her. Its about respect. Maybe if after Stefan is better from his ripper sickness and it doesn't look like there is any hope for Stefan and Elena to get back together then Damon can have a little chit chat with Stefan. He could tell him that he feels a real connection to Elena if Stefan hasn't already noticed and ask if Stefan would mine if he pursued Elena. I think this would have been a better approach brotherly approach. Just bit more respectful. But then I guess we wouldn't have a show right I was just answering the original question. This is how I feel. I see Stefan almost like an addict. This ripper side of him something horrible that he really doesn't want to be but its like a drug. Once he gets back on track he's going tobe feeling absolutely awful. If he thinks he deserves Elena back after this he is wrong. But if he is truly remorseful I think he does deserve to be forgiven. With Damon I feel like what he does is just him. He is too emotional and Elena only makes it worse at times. Like she is all that matters at alll costs and he doesn't care about anyone else when he is in this mode. Kind of like when he was all violent to people when he wanted Kat out of the tomb. Its his plain lack of respect for people that really gets under my skin. You do realize that Stefan told her he didn't want her anymore, didn't want to see her, didn't want to be with her...where does that all fit into your opinion that Stefan has a 'right' to Elena over Damon? Does this right extend to forever even though Stefan dumped her? |
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Post by Slash on Feb 2, 2012 15:42:04 GMT -5
I was just answering the original question. This is how I feel. I see Stefan almost like an addict. This ripper side of him something horrible that he really doesn't want to be but its like a drug. Once he gets back on track he's going tobe feeling absolutely awful. If he thinks he deserves Elena back after this he is wrong. But if he is truly remorseful I think he does deserve to be forgiven. With Damon I feel like what he does is just him. He is too emotional and Elena only makes it worse at times. Like she is all that matters at alll costs and he doesn't care about anyone else when he is in this mode. Kind of like when he was all violent to people when he wanted Kat out of the tomb. Its his plain lack of respect for people that really gets under my skin. Damon is a victim of emotional impulsiveness. If you look at the other Vampire characters we've seen, it's something that seems almost unique to Damon. Everyone else is more balanced out but Damon seems like the only one that is constantly unstable given a situation and without certain safeguards in place (Elena or Alaric, although neither one is a surefire solution as he's bitten those hands before too), he does some extreme stuff to make sure his plans go through in protecting people. It's kind of his own personal demon. I do agree that Elena is a problem in this regard, just as much as Katherine was when the series started but at the same time, I don't think he'd be making the progress the has if it wasn't for Elena. Stefan is no different, although Stefan's demon is the Ripper. I think at most, the Ripper is also a fault of Stefan's. He's had this band-aid solution to this persona which makes him one extreme or the other: Good or Ripper. There is no middle ground and both sides hate/despise the very existence of the other. I think if Stefan wants to deal with his demon, he's going to have to learn to consolidate it with his other persona. I think this is part of why Damon let Stefan go after the Ghost thing because although it would have lead to 'good' Stefan coming back, it's not 'healthy' for him. Damon has been on his back about his blood/Ripper problem and I think even Damon knows this 2 extremes thing doesn't work/help Stefan. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 2, 2012 15:58:21 GMT -5
I didn't say you said that? ? I was just stating how I think just because Stefan saw her first doesn't mean he owns her and vice versa. That I wasn't buying it when people say that Stefan and Elena were together first.....My own opinion I threw in there in regards to the whole Damon should respect that Stefan is in love with Elena first thing. Don't throw at me!!! I like Dair! sorry if my tone came off that way. It wasn't meant like that yay another Dair shipper It's fine. I was just making sure.....  Damn internet you never know tone. I love Dair. I am a Chair endgame kinda gal but I want Dair to have their time. I love Dan. He and Blair are actually my faves on the show. But if Dair together has more chemistry than Chair I could change. I mean Chuck did sell Blair for a hotel and all. |
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Post by willlddcat on Feb 2, 2012 17:22:51 GMT -5
I never said Elena belongs to him like some kind of object. Stefan began dating her. And as soon as that happened I feel like with anyone, whether it be Damon or someone else like that they should lay off . Its not about him claiming her. Its about respect. Maybe if after Stefan is better from his ripper sickness and it doesn't look like there is any hope for Stefan and Elena to get back together then Damon can have a little chit chat with Stefan. He could tell him that he feels a real connection to Elena if Stefan hasn't already noticed and ask if Stefan would mine if he pursued Elena. I think this would have been a better approach brotherly approach. Just bit more respectful. But then I guess we wouldn't have a show right I was just answering the original question. This is how I feel. I see Stefan almost like an addict. This ripper side of him something horrible that he really doesn't want to be but its like a drug. Once he gets back on track he's going tobe feeling absolutely awful. If he thinks he deserves Elena back after this he is wrong. But if he is truly remorseful I think he does deserve to be forgiven. With Damon I feel like what he does is just him. He is too emotional and Elena only makes it worse at times. Like she is all that matters at alll costs and he doesn't care about anyone else when he is in this mode. Kind of like when he was all violent to people when he wanted Kat out of the tomb. Its his plain lack of respect for people that really gets under my skin. You do realize that Stefan told her he didn't want her anymore, didn't want to see her, didn't want to be with her...where does that all fit into your opinion that Stefan has a 'right' to Elena over Damon? Does this right extend to forever even though Stefan dumped her? I know Stefan told her these things but I felt like he said them to her to convince her that he's not safe to be around. He feels awful about this side of himself that he can't control so he is hurting her to make her give up on him. He feels he doesn't deserve her. That the way I look at it but I guess we will find out what is going through his head as the story progresses. I don't think he has a right to her. I never meant it like he marked his territory and no one else can have her. Please read what I wrote again. I want Damon to respect the fact that they were together and Stefan loved her and to make sure that his brother is completely over her. I think its an awful thing to be kissing on his brothers ex behind his back.Make sure the person you supposedly care about is over this person before pursuing. Damon was making googly eyes at her even before they broke up. Totally disrespectful. If you were in a situation like this I am sure your feeling would be hurt if your sibling or best friend was after your ex right in front of you. Someone you cared about deeply. I hope this post is more clear. I am not saying Elena belongs to him. I am saying give him some time. After all this settles. Can we just agree to disagree? I feel like I should not have even bothered answering this question because I feel like my posts are the only ones getting as of right now getting all the flack  I don't like either of the brothers and would like them to exit the show and let Klaus and Elijah take over. That what I really want. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 2, 2012 17:27:17 GMT -5
Oh, please don't take it personally. I don't. It's just sort of an intellectual discussion of differing opinions and I actually find it interesting to see what other people think and to challenge what other people think, but I don't see it as me being right and them being wrong, just different perspectives of the same events. I see Damon as having shown an incredible amount of restraint given that he loves this girl and he's waited all this time to really make any kind of move on her. We see the eye sex which goes both ways. We see the desire they both have for each other, but yet they stood still darn near forever. OK, so he kissed her. He finally gave into what he felt for her. He's just a man, not a saint for crying out loud. He's been thrown together with her all this time, the woman that he loves but felt he couldn't/shouldn't have. I think that was made pretty clear how he feels. He feels guilty. He feels like she's his brother's girl. Anyone that says he doesn't care about that would be wrong. For a guy who is as impulsive as Damon can be, he has been very restrained in this, even after Stefan dumped her, told her to get lost, that he didn't want her. I don't think *I* could have done as well, frankly. I think if I loved someone like he loves Elena it would have been impossible for me to not show it. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 2, 2012 22:34:27 GMT -5
You do realize that Stefan told her he didn't want her anymore, didn't want to see her, didn't want to be with her...where does that all fit into your opinion that Stefan has a 'right' to Elena over Damon? Does this right extend to forever even though Stefan dumped her? I know Stefan told her these things but I felt like he said them to her to convince her that he's not safe to be around. He feels awful about this side of himself that he can't control so he is hurting her to make her give up on him. He feels he doesn't deserve her. That the way I look at it but I guess we will find out what is going through his head as the story progresses. I don't think he has a right to her. I never meant it like he marked his territory and no one else can have her. Please read what I wrote again. I want Damon to respect the fact that they were together and Stefan loved her and to make sure that his brother is completely over her. I think its an awful thing to be kissing on his brothers ex behind his back.Make sure the person you supposedly care about is over this person before pursuing. Damon was making googly eyes at her even before they broke up. Totally disrespectful. If you were in a situation like this I am sure your feeling would be hurt if your sibling or best friend was after your ex right in front of you. Someone you cared about deeply. I hope this post is more clear. I am not saying Elena belongs to him. I am saying give him some time. After all this settles. Can we just agree to disagree? I feel like I should not have even bothered answering this question because I feel like my posts are the only ones getting as of right now getting all the flack I don't like either of the brothers and would like them to exit the show and let Klaus and Elijah take over. That what I really want. Awe dear don't feel like that! We don't all agree 100% of the time in the DE thread about Damon or Elena. Don't feel like your opinion isn't valued if we debate about it. I was debating with Slash in this same thread earlier and so was TheBabe so don't worry. We can all debate wo anyone feeling attacked. I hope. =) Don't worry. i took nothing personal and I hope you don't either. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 5, 2012 5:15:37 GMT -5
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? I was just stating how I think just because Stefan saw her first doesn't mean he owns her and vice versa. That I wasn't buying it when people say that Stefan and Elena were together first.....My own opinion I threw in there in regards to the whole Damon should respect that Stefan is in love with Elena first thing. 
I don't like either of the brothers and would like them to exit the show and let Klaus and Elijah take over. That what I really want. 
