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Post by Klovin'11 on Feb 14, 2012 13:30:37 GMT -5
I've seen people say that Elena would be a s*** if she slept with Damon, since she had slept with Stefan before. I personally don't see it that way, but I am wondering how you all feel about it.
Stefan and Damon both slept with Katherine, but I've not seen anything said about it. Would Stefan and Damon not be s***s, too? It's pretty much the same situation, except it's reversed. Both brothers slept with one girl, as opposed to one girl sleeping with both brothers. You see what I'm getting at? It's the typical double standard coming into play.
When you see something about Damon falling for his brother's girl, it's about the emotions he's feeling, or something he's done for Elena/to Elena. It's about brotherhood. I've never seen anything about how immoral it would be for Damon to sleep with Elena, except for the fact that it would be "betraying" his brother.
But when it's Elena, it's all about how much of a s*** she would be. It's all about her sexuality; never about her feelings. But maybe these are just the things I've seen. I am not accusing of anyone of being sexist, intentionally or not. I'm simply just curious about this.
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Post by Slash on Feb 14, 2012 13:56:15 GMT -5
Mad people saying mean things. If Damon sleeps with her, he walks away the innocent party in the equation, regardless of if he's the one who initiates or not. If Elena goes along with it, whether she initiates it or not, she's a harlot. Do people point the same finger at Caroline?
The Brother relationship complicates things in certain manners but is anyone who sleeps with someone other than their 'first' a 's***'? No. She's not exclusive to Stefan and that mentality needs to be broken/done away with. If she slept with Matt, would it be the same? Elijah? Klaus? Alaric? Or is it just exclusive to her relationship with Damon that her sexual escapades/encounters are called into question?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 14, 2012 14:00:12 GMT -5
It's convenient and that's all. I'm sure they don't hold themselves or their friends up to this high standard that they set for Elena, that she cannot sleep with brothers for some unknown reason or she becomes a 's***.' If they're gonna go there with the morality police they should have started with her sleeping with Stefan on episode, what was it, 7? But they don't go there do they?
You're also right on the male character vs female character and how hard people are on them from a sexuality point of view but that goes for our society as a whole and yes, it's an issue.
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Post by Klovin'11 on Feb 14, 2012 14:02:01 GMT -5
Mad people saying mean things. If Damon sleeps with her, he walks away the innocent party in the equation, regardless of if he's the one who initiates or not. If Elena goes along with it, whether she initiates it or not, she's a harlot. Do people point the same finger at Caroline? The Brother relationship complicates things in certain manners but is anyone who sleeps with someone other than their 'first' a 's***'? No. She's not exclusive to Stefan and that mentality needs to be broken/done away with. If she slept with Matt, would it be the same? Elijah? Klaus? Alaric? Or is it just exclusive to her relationship with Damon that her sexual escapades/encounters are called into question? I think she would still be called a s*** for sleeping with anyone other than Stefan by some (not all) of the people who want her with Stefan. You're right, it is mad people saying mean things. But I've been mad at Elena myself, as a DE shipper, but one thing I've never done is call her a s*** for sleeping with Stefan. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 14, 2012 14:04:35 GMT -5
Mad people saying mean things. If Damon sleeps with her, he walks away the innocent party in the equation, regardless of if he's the one who initiates or not. If Elena goes along with it, whether she initiates it or not, she's a harlot. Do people point the same finger at Caroline? The Brother relationship complicates things in certain manners but is anyone who sleeps with someone other than their 'first' a 's***'? No. She's not exclusive to Stefan and that mentality needs to be broken/done away with. If she slept with Matt, would it be the same? Elijah? Klaus? Alaric? Or is it just exclusive to her relationship with Damon that her sexual escapades/encounters are called into question? I think she would still be called a s*** for sleeping with anyone other than Stefan by some (not all) of the people who want her with Stefan. You're right, it is mad people saying mean things. But I've been mad at Elena myself, as a DE shipper, but one thing I've never done is call her a s*** for sleeping with Stefan. No, me either, and I wouldn't, but I was saying if they want to go defining, 's***,' they need to be looking at the entire picture and not somehow attaching it just to her sleeping with his brother. I mean the entire premise seems to indicate some sort of morality issue they are having with her so why not go all the way? Well, that wouldn't suit their purpose, which is to call DE immoral and dirty so they won't go there. It's pretty much the same argument as the 'brothers' thing being somehow immoral just because they are brothers and it's 'icky,' as far as some people are concerned. Whatever. They will use any excuse they can find to say why DE shouldn't happen and these are just two of them that have no real validity, especially give the Katherine history which Stefan was involved in. Does that make Sfefan immoral? Oh heck no, Stefan is perfect in their eyes. |
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Post by Klovin'11 on Feb 14, 2012 14:06:14 GMT -5
It's convenient and that's all. I'm sure they don't hold themselves or their friends up to this high standard that they set for Elena, that she cannot sleep with brothers for some unknown reason or she becomes a 's***.' If they're gonna go there with the morality police they should have started with her sleeping with Stefan on episode, what was it, 7? But they don't go there do they? You're also right on the male character vs female character and how hard people are on them from a sexuality point of view but that goes for our society as a whole and yes, it's an issue. The fact that it is an issue within our society is why it rubs me the wrong way. I cannot imagine why any female, because I'm sure most of them saying it are females, would degrade not only a fictional character, but themselves and all women by saying those things. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 14, 2012 14:10:33 GMT -5
It's convenient and that's all. I'm sure they don't hold themselves or their friends up to this high standard that they set for Elena, that she cannot sleep with brothers for some unknown reason or she becomes a 's***.' If they're gonna go there with the morality police they should have started with her sleeping with Stefan on episode, what was it, 7? But they don't go there do they? You're also right on the male character vs female character and how hard people are on them from a sexuality point of view but that goes for our society as a whole and yes, it's an issue. The fact that it is an issue within our society is why it rubs me the wrong way. I cannot imagine why any female, because I'm sure most of them saying it are females, would degrade not only a fictional character, but themselves and all women by saying those things. I totally agree. Women are way harder on each other than men are on women in that regard these days. It's women who do this to each other based on sexuality most often now. |
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Post by Slash on Feb 14, 2012 14:10:35 GMT -5
Mad people saying mean things. If Damon sleeps with her, he walks away the innocent party in the equation, regardless of if he's the one who initiates or not. If Elena goes along with it, whether she initiates it or not, she's a harlot. Do people point the same finger at Caroline? The Brother relationship complicates things in certain manners but is anyone who sleeps with someone other than their 'first' a 's***'? No. She's not exclusive to Stefan and that mentality needs to be broken/done away with. If she slept with Matt, would it be the same? Elijah? Klaus? Alaric? Or is it just exclusive to her relationship with Damon that her sexual escapades/encounters are called into question? I think she would still be called a s*** for sleeping with anyone other than Stefan by some (not all) of the people who want her with Stefan. You're right, it is mad people saying mean things. But I've been mad at Elena myself, as a DE shipper, but one thing I've never done is call her a s*** for sleeping with Stefan. I'm mad at Elena 24/7, 365 and I've yet to think of her as such or even call her one. A 'monster'? Yes, but not a s*** in the slightest. I'm keeping that in the box for when the occasion is right and so far, just by being focused on Damon & Stefan, the 'title' isn't warranted. It's funny cause the same finger isn't pointed at Damon who has probably slept around the most: Bekah, Rose, Andie, Isobel, was going to nail Matt's mom before the interruption, and I'm sure I'm missing some that are known about/on screen (the Liz & Carol threesome that we're not supposed to know about). But this would fall into that 'double standard' thing cause he's a guy and all. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 14, 2012 14:13:20 GMT -5
I think she would still be called a s*** for sleeping with anyone other than Stefan by some (not all) of the people who want her with Stefan. You're right, it is mad people saying mean things. But I've been mad at Elena myself, as a DE shipper, but one thing I've never done is call her a s*** for sleeping with Stefan. I'm mad at Elena 24/7, 365 and I've yet to think of her as such or even call her one. A 'monster'? Yes, but not a s*** in the slightest. I'm keeping that in the box for when the occasion is right and so far, just by being focused on Damon & Stefan, the 'title' isn't warranted. It's funny cause the same finger isn't pointed at Damon who has probably slept around the most: Bekah, Rose, Andie, Isobel, was going to nail Matt's mom before the interruption, and I'm sure I'm missing some that are known about/on screen (the Liz & Carol threesome that we're not supposed to know about). But this would fall into that 'double standard' thing cause he's a guy and all. Well he's still a manwhore but we don't mind it.  But imagine if that were any female on the show. It would be looked at differently. Then again there's Katherine...but strangely I don't hear her being called a s***. Oh wait, Damon called her a s***. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 14, 2012 14:18:12 GMT -5
A bit of trivia I read was the Damon has killed the most people on screen as well topping 25+ now. I guess we can add Kol to that even if he isn't going to stay down. Although, off screen, We got Stefan's list and Klaus' who surely has killed more lately, but I dunno. |
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Post by Klovin'11 on Feb 14, 2012 14:20:01 GMT -5
Can't blame Damon for calling Kat a s*** in light of everything she's done to him I don't know.. Elena has slept with 1 or 2 guys (not sure if she hooked up with Matt while they dated), and that hardly counts as a s***. It's not as if she romps them 5 at a time everyday |
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Post by Slash on Feb 14, 2012 14:21:13 GMT -5
I'm mad at Elena 24/7, 365 and I've yet to think of her as such or even call her one. A 'monster'? Yes, but not a s*** in the slightest. I'm keeping that in the box for when the occasion is right and so far, just by being focused on Damon & Stefan, the 'title' isn't warranted. It's funny cause the same finger isn't pointed at Damon who has probably slept around the most: Bekah, Rose, Andie, Isobel, was going to nail Matt's mom before the interruption, and I'm sure I'm missing some that are known about/on screen (the Liz & Carol threesome that we're not supposed to know about). But this would fall into that 'double standard' thing cause he's a guy and all. Well he's still a manwhore but we don't mind it. But imagine if that were any female on the show. It would be looked at differently. Then again there's Katherine...but strangely I don't hear her being called a s***. Oh wait, Damon called her a s***. I'd stretch it and say it's because she's a 'Vampire' that it's not called into question. It's part of the nature supposedly, being sexual and all. You're either questionable in what you do in all that time (Klaus, Stefan), you get around often (Damon, Katherine) or you're tied to an eternal mate (Lexi). But even then, female-wise, Caroline would be bringing up the rear and she's not called on her adventures but can make a judgment on Elena *IF* she sleeps with Guy #2 in her life? Has Caroline slept with Matt? Tyler twice that we know of. I'm sure if she moves forward with Klaus, she'll want to experience the experience of a thousand year old being  Where is the stone throwing at Caroline for getting around/sleeping with more than 1 guy (specifically, Tyler after having dated Matt, who was his close friend)?  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 14, 2012 14:24:20 GMT -5
Well he's still a manwhore but we don't mind it. But imagine if that were any female on the show. It would be looked at differently. Then again there's Katherine...but strangely I don't hear her being called a s***. Oh wait, Damon called her a s***. I'd stretch it and say it's because she's a 'Vampire' that it's not called into question. It's part of the nature supposedly, being sexual and all. You're either questionable in what you do in all that time (Klaus, Stefan), you get around often (Damon, Katherine) or you're tied to an eternal mate (Lexi). But even then, female-wise, Caroline would be bringing up the rear and she's not called on her adventures but can make a judgment on Elena *IF* she sleeps with Guy #2 in her life? Has Caroline slept with Matt? Tyler twice that we know of. I'm sure if she moves forward with Klaus, she'll want to experience the experience of a thousand year old being Where is the stone throwing at Caroline for getting around/sleeping with more than 1 guy (specifically, Tyler after having dated Matt, who was his close friend)? That's true. She's been pretty busy, Damon's on her list, too. |
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Post by Klovin'11 on Feb 14, 2012 14:25:06 GMT -5
Well he's still a manwhore but we don't mind it. But imagine if that were any female on the show. It would be looked at differently. Then again there's Katherine...but strangely I don't hear her being called a s***. Oh wait, Damon called her a s***. I'd stretch it and say it's because she's a 'Vampire' that it's not called into question. It's part of the nature supposedly, being sexual and all. You're either questionable in what you do in all that time (Klaus, Stefan), you get around often (Damon, Katherine) or you're tied to an eternal mate (Lexi). But even then, female-wise, Caroline would be bringing up the rear and she's not called on her adventures but can make a judgment on Elena *IF* she sleeps with Guy #2 in her life? Has Caroline slept with Matt? Tyler twice that we know of. I'm sure if she moves forward with Klaus, she'll want to experience the experience of a thousand year old being Where is the stone throwing at Caroline for getting around/sleeping with more than 1 guy (specifically, Tyler after having dated Matt, who was his close friend)? I know people love Caroline.. maybe people just don't love Matt or Tyler as well as they love Stefan.. so they're not offended if she sleeps with someone else?  I don't know.. I don't quite understand it myself. |
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Post by Slash on Feb 14, 2012 14:28:27 GMT -5
I just remembered why Caroline has such a bitch attitude towards Damon He had used her all that time and she remembered it after turning |
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I don't know.. I don't quite understand it myself.
