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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 18:45:37 GMT -5
I would have loved to see the Damon-Kol bar night out, brawl kind of drunk, don’t remember any of you, but in our drunk night brotherhood, we had a moment thing play out  |
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Post by ruby2579 on Feb 17, 2012 10:16:30 GMT -5
I know but I guess it didn't play out
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Post by ruby2579 on Feb 23, 2012 17:40:53 GMT -5
official description for the episode =0
THE MURDER MYSTERY DEEPENS — The present-day murders in Mystic Falls remind Damon (Ian Somerhalder) of a similar crime spree a century earlier. In flashbacks to 1912, Damon recalls a beautiful vampire, Sage (guest star Cassidy Freeman), who showed him a whole new way to exist. Sheriff Forbes (Marguerite MacIntyre) warns Damon not to get involved in her investigation, but Damon is convinced she’s going after the wrong suspect. Elena (Nina Dobrev) and Matt (Zach Roerig) resort to breaking and entering in their search for evidence to prove Dr. Fell (guest star Torrey Devitto) is a murderer. For reasons known only to her, Rebekah (guest star Claire Holt), becomes interested in locating one of the town’s oldest landmarks. Finally, Elena comes to a new understanding of the path her life has taken, and Damon makes an emotional confession to Stefan (Paul Wesley). John Behring directed the episode written by Julie Plec & Elisabeth R. Finch (#316).
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 23, 2012 18:39:29 GMT -5
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Post by Klovin'11 on Feb 23, 2012 19:42:56 GMT -5
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Post by pixiestyx on Mar 13, 2012 20:01:49 GMT -5
cast preview
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Post by Slash on Mar 16, 2012 18:14:18 GMT -5
So I decided to look at dates in TVD since this past episode flashed back to 1912 and we know Stefan met Klaus & Bekah in the 1920s. Wikia says that Stefan slaughtered a town/village in Mexico in 1917 which was supposedly the first time Klaus heard about him. Sometime after meeting Klaus & Bekah, Lexi met back up with Stefan and got him clean again, over 30 years I believe.
Does anyone else look at this as, "If Damon hadn't pushed Stefan that night, he would have never met Klaus and ending up hating himself or Damon as much as he did going into S1 and forward for falling back to his old habits as a Ripper?"
I understand Damon's stance on what he was trying to do that night (he knew how Stefan was when he left and he himself had finally kind of embraced the way thanks to Sage so he probably saw it as a way for him and Stefan to reconnect but the whole thing spiraled out cause Stefan really can't handle his blood) and was trying to teach him 'moderation' for his 'problem'. I'm guessing though that even someone as experienced as Lexi had she even tried to go through the trouble with getting Stefan to go the moderation route, decided she had to guide him down slowly over all those years. And Stefan's way of 'cold turkey' doesn't work at all cause he starts getting ancy for a 'fix'.
So does anyone see it as Damon's 1912 slip up being the cause of Stefan's last 2 Ripper fits and his notoriety (the 2nd being Klaus' recent acquisition of him at the end of S2 cause of the rep he had from Damon sending him off again). Or would Stefan have eventually fallen off on his own (I believe it would have happened as we saw before when Stefan was losing it and Damon had to bring him down from that ledge).
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Mar 16, 2012 21:40:39 GMT -5
NO! Just like I wont blame Stefan for Damon's killings since Stefan brought that girl to him while weak so he would make the transition! Damon and Stefan are BIG boys. We all have choices! Did each circumstance suck? Yes. Stefan shouldn't have brought the girl to Damon and Damon shouldn't have pushed Stefan and try to "help" him in that manner. But at the end of the day Damon bit that girl and Stefan bit that girl. No blame game! these brothers and us as fans of these brothers need to stop pointing fingers all of the time at the other brother and claim some responsibly for the crappy decisions each of them make on their own! One could say if Stefan never ate his dad he would have never became a vampire and became the ripper which rippled out of control and into the events that molded him today. That is lame though!  Just my opinion. We could even go and say it's Kat's fault, hell it's Esther's! if we cant own up to the choices our favorite male characters make than we are cheapening our love for them! Sorry! And that is how I see it! And at the end of the day Damon was trying to help Stefan the best way he knew how. it wasn't malicious and it wasn't done to make Stefan ripple out of control. It was done to help him. And Stefan turning Damon wasn't malicious. Maybe selfish because he didn't want to be without his brother but in that was love as well. So no more blame game! |
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Post by Slash on Mar 16, 2012 22:21:12 GMT -5
Oh, I agree. OP wasn't meant to be a blame game/finger pointing and more just looking at the timeline and the chain of events that happened from the Brothers getting back together. Anything in life can be looked at as a chain of events and you could put the blame elsewhere if you tried. Just like you could just as much you could put all this on Sage for turning Damon the way she did that led to Damon trying to push Stefan in the first place. I think that event though for the Brothers is why Stefan hated Damon the way he did. He unintentionally sent him off the wagon again after he had gotten clean cause he wanted to help and Stefan went on a rampage for some 20-30 years and lost another 30 to rehab. But as I pointed out, we've seen Stefan teetering on that edge so I do think if that night with Damon didn't happen, something else would have sent him over or he would have relapsed on his own.
Fully agree with the last paragraph. Damon was trying to help Stefan and both seemed like they could put the past behind them (it had been 50 years since they last saw each other) at that time and when they were in transition, Stefan didn't want to live without his Brother and he was willing to live with the hate of that, as long as he had his Brother.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Mar 16, 2012 22:46:27 GMT -5
Oh I know Slash... That wasn't directed to you just in general. i know where you stand and that you were just raising the question!
But you might be on to something about why Stefan hated him so much! but I think something else happened from then until they met again! Something to make Damon hate Stefan just as much!
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Post by Slash on Mar 17, 2012 0:30:39 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Damon tried to tackle Stefan's problem again and came face-to-face with the full blown Ripper some years later and something happened between them for Damon to have his attitude. I'm thinking maybe something in the vain of Andie (maybe Damon actually had another friend or someone and Ripper Stefan killed them to keep him out of his business or to 'play' with him. We've seen how the Ripper taunts his victims)?
Also, about Damon, what if it's what Lexi said about his hate consuming him + his new outlook thanks to Sage ended up being a bad combination which lead to him feeling that way about Stefan? At the point of 1912, it didn't consume him cause although they kept their distance, he was willing to patch things up with Stefan. So it had to have been afterwards that it happened and that he may have crossed paths with Lexi again to piss her off and have her hate him. Either Lexi heard about Stefan through his new rep just like Klaus did and sought him out or Damon tried his hand, failed again, and brought her back in to help Stefan and she was disgusted at that point with what she saw of Damon.
We keep getting bits and pieces of the falling out between the Brothers and never enough to answer the root of their hate leading up to the series beginning =\
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Post by pixiestyx on Mar 18, 2012 13:02:04 GMT -5
There has to be MORE to it. There are still pieces of the story missing. How long did they go before seeing each other again? What did Damon do to make Stefan hate him so much?? Also I didn't like how we were told this was Damon's origin story of how he became S1 Damon....all we got was a couple of lines from Sage and everything off screen  Though I did like the episode over all. |
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Post by Slash on Mar 18, 2012 13:46:11 GMT -5
Yeah, kind of cheap. I kind of expected the usual 'flashback' episode where it was the bulk of the episode explaining stuff but because it was Damon's...nope. A few scattered scenes mixed in with present day. We don't get to see how exactly Sage got into Damon's head and changed him. I think part of the problem is Fred and Daphne doing the Scooby thing for most of the episode too.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Mar 18, 2012 13:57:54 GMT -5
Do you think next episode will have more flashbacks showing us stuff?
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Post by Slash on Mar 18, 2012 14:35:32 GMT -5
Probably now that you mention it. Sage shows up in present day so I'd expect for her to speak more about her relationship with Damon (maybe even Finn & Bekah too). Damon might go into detail more about what exactly happened between him and her so if they're spreading Damon's flashback across 2 episodes, I guess that works too.
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i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5