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Post by Slash on May 2, 2012 1:33:55 GMT -5
Anna warned Jeremy about a 'darkness' coming or that she had felt. She had also gone on about Mikael (maybe just the fear she had of him since he fed on Vampires) and Vicki. Now, Vicki was being used by Esther and as we've seen/heard of Esther lately (that damn cockroach just won't die), she keeps ranting about righting her wrongs, killing Vampires, shutting down corrupt companies and cleansing the world of all living things that don't fit into the mold of 'balance'  Now, if Anna was warning about a 'darkness', was this Esther or Witches in general manipulating things from the Other Side, things in the world of the living (messing with the 'natural' balance)? Are Witches bunched up on the other side with dead Vampires or are they entirely independent of one another in their own 'sections' of purgatory? What I don't understand is how they'd allow Esther to create another supernatural creature when they're on her back about her family. And she's so committed to killing her children, that she's manipulating/controlling others and essentially abusing her magic to get to that ends. Why aren't the Witches stepping in? Why doesn't Sheila step in? Did she not warn Bonnie before being sent off during the Ghosts storyline? Is it because this will rid the world of Vampires that it's kind of an unanimous 'lets turn a blind eye' sort of deal? Um, if thousands, maybe a million+ Vampires die and end up on the other side with those dead Witches (assuming Anna is in the know of things because they're all in the same place), what the hell do they think is going to happen? An 'Other Side' war between dead Witches and Vampires? And Esther is dead (or so I'd like to think). She said she had a way to stop Alaric once his job was done but since she is without a body (but can get into the mind of Bonnie), what if Alaric goes all 'righteous' and goes after other supernatural beings? Werewolves and maybe even Witches? What if he can't get directly to Klaus and instead, decides to start creating his own army to deal with Klaus & his Hybrids or directs his attentions to Werewolves to stop Klaus from making Hybrids at all. Klaus has been on the run for roughly 1000 years so he's good at it. This will end up a mess if Esther thinks it'll be done in a snap of the finger with killing her children. Elijah is already gone out on his own and Kol may as well have left Denver too. If Klaus & Bekah make a run for it, this will be a long drawn out conflict between 2 of Esther's creations. Hello, you screwed up *AGAIN*. And who do you think the Originals are going to go to when they look for a way to kill Alaric, someone stronger than them? Witches. They'll look for a spell to bind him like Mikael or send an army of Hybrids at him with daggers to see if that'll work. Yeah, I'm probably way over thinking/analyzing this but it's glaring to me. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on May 2, 2012 11:01:09 GMT -5
And there my friends lies TVD plot holes.... Things that don't make sense to us but made sense to them in the writing room!
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Post by ruby2579 on May 2, 2012 11:25:41 GMT -5
No its true and they were so setting this dark ghostly world thing not unless he darkness was when the tomb ghost escaped and were going to kill the council. Wonder who will be in charge of the history department now that Alaric is gone.
Esther also is another one that pisses me off. She basically abused her power by turning Alaric. Why did she have to kill him, just because his hatred would be useful? she could've used the stake herself and went after her kids herself -_- or used her witchy juju to do it.
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Post by ruby2579 on May 2, 2012 11:32:34 GMT -5
you should rename this to tad potholes like for example how did Mikael know at the age of 5 Elena was the doppelgänger. I honestly found that to be the lamest reason to why Abby had to entomb Mikael. I think they could've came up with something more clever...Maybe he was on the hunt for a witch or something and she was protecting bonnie i don't know -_-
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Post by Slash on May 2, 2012 11:52:41 GMT -5
No its true and they were so setting this dark ghostly world thing not unless he darkness was when the tomb ghost escaped and were going to kill the council. Wonder who will be in charge of the history department now that Alaric is gone. Esther also is another one that pisses me off. She basically abused her power by turning Alaric. Why did she have to kill him, just because his hatred would be useful? she could've used the stake herself and went after her kids herself -_- or used her witchy juju to do it. Still doesn't make a damn lick of sense. What we're told is that the constant deaths of the individual wearing the ring allows their darkest fantasies/desires to seep out. The oddity in all this is the Gilbert from 1912 who was killing Council members and then Alaric started doing the same thing. Doesn't it strike you as odd that 2 individual wearers, 100 years apart, acted on the same MO? This leads me to possession, if anything, by another individual/spirit, not some dark fantasy type thing that they cooked up to explain it. So then we're thrown this angle that Esther needs his ring to make the Stake immune to it's own 'magic' of destroying itself upon killing an Original. It's a total mind****. I would have been more than content with a possession storyline and finding out that Alaric's ring is the exact same one that the Gilbert from 1912 was wearing and that their ring in particular is defective/possessed. Tie it all into a Council storyline about someone they wronged. In fact, since Emily made them, I was thinking up the idea that it was her getting payback on the Council for burning her and her Witch sisters (remember, 100 Dead Witches) for being Witches/supporting Vampires when they were corrupt in their own ways at times. But that's all out the window now that the ring is basically destroyed/grafted to the stake and this is all Alaric's secret dark fantasy about wanting to rid the world of Vampires, something he currently is in part. For all the crap that Esther has spouted about restoring balance and that her children should have never been as Vampires, she's retreading that same exact crap of tampering with the balance. Alaric all of a sudden has a police record on top of that  And Esther can't do it herself. Her magic was supposedly tied to the Bennetts and one of them is dead/void of magic because they were turned. Klaus mentioned last episode that she shouldn't even have the power to fight Bonnie (who you would say is less experienced than Esther) but she was because she was channeling a 'hot spot'. So without being in one of those spots, Bonnie could probably take her in that state. But then we're further bent over with Esther somehow being able to possess/compel Bonnie to finish what she started when she's dead. Emily possessing Bonnie I can buy (bloodline, the talisman, whatever). Esther doing it from beyond when she had to use Vicki before to get stuff done and now when she was weak on magic too? What? What I want to know is were Bonnie's earlier visions Esther's doing or the other Witches? I'm sorry but I need this mess fleshed out. Haven't the other Witches been giving Esther crap/ignoring her on the other side? Don't eat lunch with her, etc.? So why all of a sudden all this support/letting her go unchecked? Why is Emily & Sheila letting the woman do this? What about the 'Original' Bennett we saw. She wanted no part of Esther's plan long ago so why is she letting the woman mess around with one of her descendants? There just seems like a severe lack of caring/disconnect from the Witches now when Esther was shunned by them on the Other Side. What's done is done. They may not like Vampires and think of them as abominations of the natural balance but it's done and they've found their niche in that order. By letting Esther try and 'correct' her mistake (killing her children and countless other lives attached to those bloodlines), they are once again allowing the woman to mess with the balance by taking a now 'natural' element completely out of play that has been included for the past millennium. If there is some law to keeping the balance, then there is obviously someone, some council of Witches/Beings, that have dictated these rules/laws. Where the hell are they in all this in letting Esther and these 100 Dead Witches run unchecked on the other side with all their meddling in the world of the living? They should have stepped in a long time ago. Cut Esther off from any magic (like Abby was for abandoning Bonnie) and punish/shut down the 'Hot Spot' of the 100 Dead Witches at the house since it's a spot for them to communicate/interact. There is an abuse of power/position going on by someone (Esther or the Dead Witches cause someone had to give Abby back her powers for what needed to be done). Someone with a Twitter account, forward this thread to JP. I want answers dammit!!   |
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Post by Slash on May 2, 2012 12:07:59 GMT -5
you should rename this to tad potholes like for example how did Mikael know at the age of 5 Elena was the doppelgänger. I honestly found that to be the lamest reason to why Abby had to entomb Mikael. I think they could've came up with something more clever...Maybe he was on the hunt for a witch or something and she was protecting bonnie i don't know -_- We'd be here all day pointing out plotholes/randomness in the story that tries to make 'sense'/dropped storylines. I would think the way Mikael knew she was a doppelganger is that they moved to the New World with just Elijah after their other son died. That means they were in MF when Klaus, Finn, Kol & Bekah were born. So that means, if Klaus & Elijah did have a thing for Tatia, Mikael would have seen her as a child too and 'knew' Elena was a doppelganger if he remembered what Tatia looked like as a child. But, I think they need to really explain the whole Abby-Mikael thing. Abby had enough power to knock out an Original and then bind him with spelled chains all before losing her power? Um, Bonnie needed the power of the Dead Witches to even take on Klaus. Abby would have been roughly what, early 20s, to tackle Mikael? I'm finding it hard to believe that she had that much power at that age, without gifted help like Bonnie. Experience? Klaus raises his own Witches from a young age so wouldn't they be scalable in that regard? Shouldn't Maddox have been able to handle Bonnie? He didn't want to go near the girl cause she'd sense him. But he was able to put a spell on Klaus, in Alaric's body, to protect him from death...OK, shouldn't the difference in power allowed Bonnie to overpower his spell? I'd expect a lower powered spell to break under the pressure of a higher powered one but the rules with Witches in this show are so goddang muddy, it's anyone's guess. For a show focused on Vampires, Witches are very much a focal point/rooted in the history yet they're not as fleshed out as they should be given their importance. I would think 'age' in Vampires dictates their power-scale whereas Witches are dictated more by 'experience' but we know how willy nilly it is with Vampires (Caroline, the Salvatores getting the jump on the Originals on multiple occasions) so why not with Witches too? Ugh...  |
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Post by ruby2579 on May 2, 2012 14:24:52 GMT -5
you should rename this to tad potholes like for example how did Mikael know at the age of 5 Elena was the doppelgänger. I honestly found that to be the lamest reason to why Abby had to entomb Mikael. I think they could've came up with something more clever...Maybe he was on the hunt for a witch or something and she was protecting bonnie i don't know -_- We'd be here all day pointing out plotholes/randomness in the story that tries to make 'sense'/dropped storylines. I would think the way Mikael knew she was a doppelganger is that they moved to the New World with just Elijah after their other son died. That means they were in MF when Klaus, Finn, Kol & Bekah were born. So that means, if Klaus & Elijah did have a thing for Tatia, Mikael would have seen her as a child too and 'knew' Elena was a doppelganger if he remembered what Tatia looked like as a child. But, I think they need to really explain the whole Abby-Mikael thing. Abby had enough power to knock out an Original and then bind him with spelled chains all before losing her power? Um, Bonnie needed the power of the Dead Witches to even take on Klaus. Abby would have been roughly what, early 20s, to tackle Mikael? I'm finding it hard to believe that she had that much power at that age, without gifted help like Bonnie. Experience? Klaus raises his own Witches from a young age so wouldn't they be scalable in that regard? Shouldn't Maddox have been able to handle Bonnie? He didn't want to go near the girl cause she'd sense him. But he was able to put a spell on Klaus, in Alaric's body, to protect him from death...OK, shouldn't the difference in power allowed Bonnie to overpower his spell? I'd expect a lower powered spell to break under the pressure of a higher powered one but the rules with Witches in this show are so goddang muddy, it's anyone's guess. For a show focused on Vampires, Witches are very much a focal point/rooted in the history yet they're not as fleshed out as they should be given their importance. I would think 'age' in Vampires dictates their power-scale whereas Witches are dictated more by 'experience' but we know how willy nilly it is with Vampires (Caroline, the Salvatores getting the jump on the Originals on multiple occasions) so why not with Witches too? Ugh... you really get into this haha That would make sense about the child tatia and yadadad then why was he in mystic falls anyway and then how did abby channel enough power to take down mikael. She probably used some other means if the witches supposedly stripped her of her powers |
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Post by ruby2579 on May 2, 2012 14:26:03 GMT -5
Also I wish they woudve explained what was happening with the ring. Because they were specifically going for the council. Not unless every time they died they were visited by ghost and lil by lil chipping away at the goodness they have but still it wouldn't explain why...Maybe they will get into it more next season with jeremy
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Post by Slash on May 2, 2012 14:47:40 GMT -5
Yes, I get *REALLY* into this  I would also like to know why Mikael was in MF at that time, when a new doppelganger had showed up (although still a child). I don't think any connections of his would have pointed her out because as mentioned, she was a child still. Only Mikael or one of the other Originals would have known what she looked like as a child. So really, what was Mikael's reason for being in MF at that point in time only to have his ass handed to him by a descendant of a Bennett? Also, Klaus & Bekah knew where he was. Why didn't they go and retrieve the body and entomb him somewhere where only they knew? Why leave him somewhere in the open for someone to stumble on him? Klaus should have sealed him away for good and had his Witches lock him behind a few extra barriers/spells cause Katherine broke through his chains like they were nothing (so only a means to keep him from escaping himself, but not someone breaking him free). This just seems like a complete fault in judgment on Klaus' part given how concerned he was with Mikael. That's why the whole Council & Rings thing doesn't make a lick of sense. Esther even said every time that Alaric died, she was there on the other side talking to him or whatever. The whole Council thing just seemed personal and Alaric's interaction with the Council was only recent this season. And the attacks for working with Vampires seems kind of weak cause for what it's worth, Damon was on the Council and willing to help protect the town and even Klaus had offered up to protect the town. You might say they're 'corrupt' for letting the 'enemy' hold a place on said Council and even take over protecting of the town but if they're keeping the residents safe from other Vampires and keeping others in check, what's the harm? Still with that, we don't have enough info on the 1912 Council to even draw that conclusion that they were working with Vampires or turning a blind eye. The initial Council wasn't exactly either, just George (?) Lockwood who made a deal with Katherine for the Moonstone and to also use the Vampires as a front for the whole Werewolf killings going on (protecting his family secret). So essentially, this whole Ring, Council, Esther thing doesn't add up. There has to be a missing piece that they entirely forgot to add There was something else I was going to bring up but I'll be damned if I know what it is now It'll come to me again. |
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