Tatia Conspiracies

[phoenix]

There was a thread like this on another board that was really popular so here goes............

The theories I've read so far regarding Tatia seem to be endless and span the spectrum, anything from an original werewolf to some sort of supernatural being that has yet to be shown on TVD.

I'd like to keep this spoiler free so everyone can speculate and theorize. If you include spoilers please tag it so it can be skipped by those who don't wish to see spoilers. Thanks.

My personal favorite theory, well actually I have two.

The first is that Tatia was just a simply peasant girl, there was nothing special about her until her blood was used to create the originals. The fact that she's the originator of the doppelgangers is side effect of magic evening up the sides.

The other is that she is an original werewolf and Klaus has her body preserved and stored away somewhere in a coffin and needs her for some unknown reason.

I have others but that's my favorite two at the moment.

[Slash]

I like your first theory about magic changing her bloodline to 'balance out' but aside from that, she was nothing more than a normal girl that the Mikaelson parents picked and used (who also happened to have a relationship with Elijah & Klaus).

I'm also one who likes the theory that the doppelgangers are their own little species/anomaly in nature. A rarity that popped up ages again and does so every now and again that Witches can use in the creation of other species (Vampires). Since Vampires came from Tatia's blood, I have to wonder if she's honestly the first or if they just designate her as 'Petrova'.

What if the Werewolves in the show came from another doppelganger bloodline sometime before Vampires but instead of their use being the same as the 'Petrova' blood, it was through a bloodline (we know the 'Curse' of the Werewolf is a family thing) and all Werewolf families link back to this one? Or if it was cultish sacrifice of this doppelganger to a circle of families (Lockwoods being apart of this) in a spell of sorts and as a result, they were 'cursed' for the sacrifice? Werewolves trigger their curse if they kill someone so...

[phoenix]

One theory I had was that the Lockwood family is descendant from the first werewolf that was cursed.

I love your werewolf doppelganger bloodline idea. I never thought of that.

[phoenix]

Something Slash said in another post sparked an idea in my wacky and very scary brain so credit to Slash for this idea.

At the "dinner party" with Klaus, Elijah, Stefan and Damon, when Elijah was talking about Tatia, he said she had a child by another man. We know she's the originator of the doppelganger line but what if she's also the originator of the vampire hunters as well? Like with the doppelganger every 500 years or so a "special" hunter is born and that special hunter is Jeremy. Like Elena his blood would have special properties that would be capable of doing something (not sure what but something bad) to the entire line of werewolves and vampires.

Elena's blood was used to break the werewolf binding spell on Klaus. She was also used in the spell to bind all the originals and to tie evil Alaric's life to hers, so there has to be a counter balance for the magic that was used to do all that. In the show they've said this time and time again "all magic must have an equal and opposite counter balance" granted they did say it in those words but you get my meaning.........

My "wacky" thought is that they are not just vampire hunters because at the time (as far as we know) there were no vampires before the Originals only werewolves, so what if her child was originally a werewolf hunter and that part of them, whatever it is that makes them special or powerful was converted for lack of a better word to become vampire hunters.

The werewolf hunter part is sort of dormant but if it's broken or triggered they would become more powerful or "special" and have the ability to hunt both species to extinction.

I'm also wondering about the vampire bloodline and if the same principles could be applied to the werewolves.

We know if one of the originals die, it kills all the vampires they've ever turned as well. What if Jeremy (being the super hunter that I'm speculating about) could somehow do the same by killing the werewolf that is the direct descendant of the original line? I speculated somewhere that I think the direct descendant is Tyler.

Ohhh there I go getting off topic again

[Slash]

I think Werewolves are playing from a different rule book. They have to kill someone to trigger their 'curse' and can't turn anyone by bite/scratch like in other series/movies/books. It's completely tied to their family. They're not immortal either from what we know so there shouldn't be the 'father/mother of the bloodline' ties like the Originals have with all Vampires. It'd get muddy too if you never triggered your curse and then just up and die cause an elder in your family was killed.

Werewolves don't seem to need Hunters either cause of the family aspect. They're all watching out for each other and I assume at a certain age, you're told about the family secret and how to avoid it. In the case you do trigger it, your family will have a place to tie you down on full moons to avoid hurting anyone (the Lockwoods have one on their property and in the flashbacks, the Werewolves told the other townspeople and family not to go into the woods on those nights to avoid killing people so they were taking precautions). Werewolves also don't need to 'feed' to survive like Vampires so they're really in no danger of killing someone for 'survival'. With that said, they can kind of be left on their own or to police themselves. They can't 'compel' away a bad situation so they have to be more on top of things in this regard.

[phoenix]

I agree with you that werewolves are not as big a threat as vampires. They can for most of the time be left on their own. There's also so few of them compared to vampires that a hunter would (in current time) not really be necessary. But from what Elijah said and from the scene where Henrik was killed there might have been a lot more of them 1000 years ago and a hunter may have been necessary at that time.

I think at some point in the show some one also said that vampires hunted werewolves almost to extinction didn't they? or did I imagine that?

If that statement is true then in that time period is when the hunter would have changed from werewolf hunter to vampire hunter and passed that knowledge/responsibility down to the next hunter in line.

My main theory is that Tatia is the originator of both the doppelganger and hunter bloodlines and they could also be one in the same. When the doppelganger (Elena) was turned into a vampire, that ended the doppelganger line and the hunter line would have skipped to the next living relative (Jeremy).

Just a theory

[Slash]

Mikael was the one that was hunting Werewolves and I think that created a sort of stigma between the 2 species that caused the 'war'. We don't know how long Mikael was hunting though and just when the Werewolf numbers were impacted to the point of near extinction although I think that's more reliant on the fact that the Werewolf has to kill someone to become one so either Mikael was hunting down the know Werewolves or he was killing Werewolf 'families' (turned and the potential to turn) indiscriminately. At some point, when Vampires started becoming more common, Mikael's handy work probably started conflicts after that with Vampires being attacked just because they were Vampires and prompting retaliations from the species on a larger scale against the Werewolves. We've seen that most like to keep to themselves and not harm anyone so there probably wasn't a 'militant' mentality amongst a lot of them like we saw with Jules & Brady's pack in present day and added to that that they only change once a month, it was an uphill war for them, even if they took up 'Hunting' as a standard profession for protection until that 1 day each month.

[phoenix]

I had forgotten about Mikael hunting werewolves at first and you're right, Elijah did say it was what sparked the war between the species. And also the werewolf numbers are dependent on the curse being triggered whereas a vampire can create more of it's kind easily. Clearly the vampires are the dominant species in this war since werewolves are only dangerous during the full moon cycle.

This is completely off topic but I didn't know where else to post it........and since we're the only two in here so far why not.......

Back in the day when the werewolves roamed freely (before Esther created the originals) they wouldn't have had any natural predators so their numbers could easily grow even with these challenges. I'm very curious as to where/how they came to be and who was the first werewolf? We know he was cursed by a witch so we also can assume a witch could theoretically reverse the curse at any time in history, so why haven't they? This would solve half their supernatural problems.

As we've both speculated clearly the vampires are the dominant species so I can understand the witches wanting to focus on the vampires. So Ayanna (sp?) creates "The Five" hunters to rid the world of vampires. But doing this would also mean the werewolves would continue to grow in numbers. Wouldn't that throw their precious balance out of whack?

What keeps the witches loyal to the werewolves? And why don't they view them as a threat to humans? Even with their dwindled numbers, ridding the world of vampires would still leave human's vulnerable to the werewolves.

As I said, I can understand focusing on the vampires because they are the bigger threat but leaving the humans vulnerable to werewolves would be a big no no in the witches handbook wouldn't it?

[phoenix]

After reading one of the posts regarding the "cure to vampirism" I thought of another Tatia conspiracy.

What if the map leads to where Tatia is buried? We know the witches could preserve bodies because of Esther, if the witches preserved Tatia's body, then as the one who was used to create the originals, couldn't her blood also be used to destroy them or "cure" them?

[Slash]

Would be nice to have some Werewolf backstory. Since the curse passes from the bloodline, the originating family (or individual) had to really have pissed off a Witch to get that kind of curse on all his descendants. Since you have to kill someone by intent or accident, I think maybe that's linked to what happen. The 'Original' Werewolf may have killed this Witches lover or family member and she cursed him or maybe his family (seeing how large the Mikaelson family was, if this Werewolf's children spread out and started their own families, it would help widen the impact).

Werewolves growing in numbers probably isn't so much a control issue now. In earlier history, maybe so (killing a lot more common with people trying to protect their village/family from bandits/outsiders and wars) but nowadays, between Klaus hunting them for use and Mikael & other Vampires waging war with them and nearly wiping them out, I think most stay off the radar and keep to themselves (running in the woods to avoid hurting people). Witches probably don't even care/bother with them anymore or deem it a 'justified' curse and let it run it's course like it has been. And since unlike other series, Werewolves can't pass on the curse through ravaging/scratching/bites, it's not an issue like Vampires who can turn anyone. Werewolf numbers are more...'regulated' in this series due to those limitations and the surrounding world.

And Witches don't seem to know what the hell they want when it comes to 'balance'. That's all but clear right now. They let Esther make Vampires and didn't stop her at the time. That threw everything out of whack. You have to wonder how many other supernatural species out there are like Vampires that were created without the 'vote' of the Witches. I think Esther's screw up is the biggest though since Vampires are so widespread now and nearly at the top of the food chain, rivaling Witches.

Tatia is probably a non-factor. We've seen what Elena's blood can do so if Tatia was anything special, she'd be able to do something more but seeing as how Esther created Alaric off of Elena's blood, I wouldn't put too much stock in Tatia doing much else. Doppelganger blood is doppelganger blood.

[phoenix]

Nov 4, 2012 10:39:18 GMT -5 Slash said:

And Witches don't seem to know what the hell they want when it comes to 'balance'. That's all but clear right now.

OMG that is so true.