Theory-The gang taking sides

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I am very excited to get a Bonnie story line. I am not sure about Dark Bonnie, but it might help with some of her critics that she is too goodie goodie. Maybe seeing her bad would be a good thing and develop her character more.

I also was thinking Caroline is developing feelings kinda for Klaus-Stefan is helping Klaus and Caroline being friends with Stefan- and then you have Damon in talks with that other guy (forgot his name)- Elena being sired to Damon- and tyler's new gf (kinda) helping him. I wonder if we will have our gang split into two sides. Klaus and The other big bad guy.I am not sure of the sides everyone will take Buuut I think it is possible.

[Slash]

Professor Shane

Damon is now in cahoots with Shane and they need Bonnie. Both parties are after completing the Hunter's Mark so you have Prof. Shane on one side and you have Klaus on the other. Shane is gaining good will with Bonnie because they need a Bennett to do the spell. However, we're led to believe that the Sword that Alexander had is also needed, which Klaus currently holds. I'm sure Shane knows something about this he's not telling with the others thinking they're getting a 'Vampire Cure' out of it.

Tyler is kind of an odd placement. He's at odds with Caroline right now and surely is against Klaus. Hayley is breaking the sire bonds and we now know that Shane has need of the freed Hybrids (maybe to get the Sword from Klaus?).

Stefan is working with Klaus but Damon is in on Shane but we know that both Salvatores would like to get the cure for Elena so they have a mutual end goal.

Jeremy is compelled to complete his mark/kill Vampires so he's kind of 'neutral' in all this. Bonnie, with her role, can help either side but I don't see her siding with Klaus. When she finds out what Klaus wants out of it (Elena human to make more Hybrids), she'll probably do her own thing or take Klaus out of play so she can save/cure Elena. She's kind of on the fence with which way she can go.

Frankly, the side choosing is down to a lot of partial information and hidden agendas (Hayley freeing the Hybrids, Klaus trying to keep his plan to a small few, Shane being shady in needing Bonnie and knowing more than he lets on, etc.).

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Well obviously it is a TON of partial information. I guess what i was trying to get at was wouldn't be interesting if the villian was sorta unknown this season. Are we suppose to hate Klaus or Prof. Shane? (thanks) OR will some choose Klaus as a lesser evil and some choose Prof. Shane? Will the brothers be at odds not only with because of their feelings towards Elena, but maybe with this new evil as well?

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The whole 'Silus' thing is who a few of us think is the big bad/pot at the end of this 'Hunter's Mark' rainbow. If true, both roads would lead to him and the only one really in the know of that would be Professor Shane.

I think the brothers will pursue the different roads (Damon Shane & Stefan Klaus) till that goal but if Silus does turn out to be true and there is no cure, they'll probably see at that point it's time for them and the gang to get back on the same page and everyone falling in to deal with him.

[Doppelgänger]

Dec 1, 2012 17:09:39 GMT -5 @teppy1 said:

Well obviously it is a TON of partial information. I guess what i was trying to get at was wouldn't be interesting if the villian was sorta unknown this season. Are we suppose to hate Klaus or Prof. Shane? (thanks) OR will some choose Klaus as a lesser evil and some choose Prof. Shane? Will the brothers be at odds not only with because of their feelings towards Elena, but maybe with this new evil as well?

I think you could be right. We're seeing the split happening now. Neither one of them is fully communicating about what they want to do and this sire bond thing may make Damon less likely to really discuss the situation as much as well, as he deals with the fallout from that mess. But hopefully in the end the brothers will come back together and work on a solution together. There's also another side, the hybrids and Tyler and they apparently will have their own agenda along the way. It could get pretty messy.

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Dec 1, 2012 22:31:44 GMT -5 Doppelgänger said:

Dec 1, 2012 17:09:39 GMT -5 @teppy1 said:

Well obviously it is a TON of partial information. I guess what i was trying to get at was wouldn't be interesting if the villian was sorta unknown this season. Are we suppose to hate Klaus or Prof. Shane? (thanks) OR will some choose Klaus as a lesser evil and some choose Prof. Shane? Will the brothers be at odds not only with because of their feelings towards Elena, but maybe with this new evil as well?

I think you could be right. We're seeing the split happening now. Neither one of them is fully communicating about what they want to do and this sire bond thing may make Damon less likely to really discuss the situation as much as well, as he deals with the fallout from that mess. But hopefully in the end the brothers will come back together and work on a solution together. There's also another side, the hybrids and Tyler and they apparently will have their own agenda along the way. It could get pretty messy.

Tyler is trying to get the Hybrids free from Klaus so they can live 'normal' lives without the fear of the change every month and without being at Klaus' beckoning. However, Haley has other plans for them alongside Prof. Shane and I guess they may end up expendable since she wanted Tyler to have no part in it or maybe the 2 were considering bringing him in on what they needed the Hybrids for? Stefan & Caroline need to approach this 'Sire Bond' thing reasonably. Not go in accusing Damon of knowing and whatnot, but tell him it's a possibility and all 3 of them can look into it without any fighting or finger pointing going on (but that would logical).

Like I said in chat, this group needs a coordinator or to have group meetings every week so they can bring everyone else up to speed about what they're doing.

Stefan - "Hey guys, I'm working with Klaus in an attempt to hunt down a fabled cure for Elena to become human again."

Damon - "Really? I followed up on that with Prof. Shane and he says a Bennett is needed for a spell later on. Yeah Bonnie, he's using you."

Bonnie - "Noted. I'll keep an eye on him. Thanks for the heads up Damon."

Stefan - "Hey Damon, lets get together and cross reference notes. If Prof. Shane says we need Bonnie later on, then that means he'll probably need the sword from Klaus too."

Damon - "Sure. I'll push him for info on the Sword."

Jeremy - "I've got my tattoo half way done. Here's a drawing of it currently.

Damon - "Good, good. Tyler, can we count on you and the liberated Hybrids to help out if things go south?"

Tyler - "Yeah, just give me a heads up beforehand and we'll be ready to have your backs."

Damon - "Ok, that's it for this week's meetings. Matt, log the notes and lets head to the Grill for lunch."

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You pretty much get the idea. Communication is unheard of within this group of friends.

[Doppelgänger]

Matt's the secretary, eh?

[pixiestyx]

If they communicated like that there would be NO drama.

I don't think this cure is all it's cracked up to be. I refuse to believe it's as simple as turning one human. It's a 'cure' but what exactly does that mean?

I wonder.....can you break someone from being a hunter? Could Jeremy be 'unsired' (for lack of a better word) from the need/compulsion to kill vampires thus making him safe to be around Elena but still have his vampire killing strength?

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There would be no drama on the level that these people have. They're supposed to be friends. I can understand the usual disagreement about stuff but the things that these kids get caught up in due to not talking is mind blowing.

Your post kind of struck me with the 'cure' for 'one human' bit. What if it's a 'cure' for 'Silas'? Whatever is afflicted on him by the Bennett to keep him sealed/powerless and this 'cure' that the Hunters lead people to is the cure to free him and give him back his power? If Shane is Silas, it's a cure for him.

I wondered about Jeremy too. If he completes his mark, will the compulsion go away? Will he be fine to be around others without all the dreams and the craving to do in Vampires?

[pixiestyx]

Hmm, I never thought of it as a cure for Silas. Would the original hunters have wanted to release Silas when the witches sealed him up? Unless Silas is the ultimate weapon to 'cure' all humanity from vampirism (which would really suck by the way, if this was the case). This whole cure business is shady.

I never thought about him completing the mark as a way to break the compulsion/need to kill vampires. I was thinking more on the lines of him not completing his mark,and breaking the urge to kill vampires. Also, when he completes his mark, is it only a partial map? Would you need the other 4 hunters to have a full map? Have the hunters never completed the map before? And why not, if that is the case?

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'Witches' didn't seal him up from what I understand. Per Ruby's notes on it:

• He was a very Powerful Witch
• So powerful he created a spell to become immortal
• He needed help of a lady witch who loved him very much
• Turns out Silus wanted to share the gift of immortality with another female witch
• The first lady witch was so pissed she killed the other witch and buried Silus alive
• leaving him powerless but immortal

A jealous lover who happened to be a Witch did. Maybe the one who created the Hunters (a Bennett?) was a relative of the killed Witch or another admirer of his? We need more details. And it's not unheard of for one Witch to do something entirely against what the others want. Case in point, Esther and the creation of Vampires.

We also talked about it in another thread asking if all 5 Hunters are needed. Does any given Hunter have the complete map when they complete their Mark or is it only a fragment and all 5 need to complete them? As for not completing it, Shane addressed this this past episode. He said most don't even know about the stuff when they're chosen and I guess never end up doing much (if they don't initiate, there probably isn't a compulsion to kill Vampires so therefore, they can live a normal life with a tattoo only they can see?). And Klaus thought he killed them all 900 years ago so I think that kind of botched things as it scattered the group to the four winds and the new Hunters probably popped up all over the world and given the aforementioned of what Shane mentioned, that's roughly 900 years of Hunters not knowing what they are, not acting on it or never being able to cross paths with their other 4 'brothers'.

The whole process comes off as really s***ty for Silas/finding the Cure as far as getting all the pieces and it all amounts to Klaus slaughtering the Original 5 and only one person so far knowing all the details (Shane). You need a Hunter (or possibly all 5) completing their Mark, you need a specific Witch (Bennett) and you need a specific sword that was 'hidden' (Bekah buried it with Alexander but who else knew that?).

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Dec 1, 2012 23:22:24 GMT -5 Slash said:

Dec 1, 2012 22:31:44 GMT -5 Doppelgänger said:

I think you could be right. We're seeing the split happening now. Neither one of them is fully communicating about what they want to do and this sire bond thing may make Damon less likely to really discuss the situation as much as well, as he deals with the fallout from that mess. But hopefully in the end the brothers will come back together and work on a solution together. There's also another side, the hybrids and Tyler and they apparently will have their own agenda along the way. It could get pretty messy.

Tyler is trying to get the Hybrids free from Klaus so they can live 'normal' lives without the fear of the change every month and without being at Klaus' beckoning. However, Haley has other plans for them alongside Prof. Shane and I guess they may end up expendable since she wanted Tyler to have no part in it or maybe the 2 were considering bringing him in on what they needed the Hybrids for? Stefan & Caroline need to approach this 'Sire Bond' thing reasonably. Not go in accusing Damon of knowing and whatnot, but tell him it's a possibility and all 3 of them can look into it without any fighting or finger pointing going on (but that would logical).

Like I said in chat, this group needs a coordinator or to have group meetings every week so they can bring everyone else up to speed about what they're doing.

Stefan - "Hey guys, I'm working with Klaus in an attempt to hunt down a fabled cure for Elena to become human again."

Damon - "Really? I followed up on that with Prof. Shane and he says a Bennett is needed for a spell later on. Yeah Bonnie, he's using you."

Bonnie - "Noted. I'll keep an eye on him. Thanks for the heads up Damon."

Stefan - "Hey Damon, lets get together and cross reference notes. If Prof. Shane says we need Bonnie later on, then that means he'll probably need the sword from Klaus too."

Damon - "Sure. I'll push him for info on the Sword."

Jeremy - "I've got my tattoo half way done. Here's a drawing of it currently.

Damon - "Good, good. Tyler, can we count on you and the liberated Hybrids to help out if things go south?"

Tyler - "Yeah, just give me a heads up beforehand and we'll be ready to have your backs."

Damon - "Ok, that's it for this week's meetings. Matt, log the notes and lets head to the Grill for lunch."

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You pretty much get the idea. Communication is unheard of within this group of friends.

It would actually be nice if they communicated like this and I always thought of Matt as being the note keeper/secretary.

In the books they're able to come together and work on a plan and not be all over each other's backs. Everyone had a job/post and kept each other informed.

There could still be drama just not with each other. It gets tiring seeing the sheer stupidity sometimes with lack of communication. Most of their problems have less to do with the bad guy and more of themselves.