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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 1, 2013 16:06:40 GMT -5
Ok so I have really been debating on making this thread for quite some time. I know he is kinda popular on the board so I didn't know if I'd have much support in here but I just cant take it anymore.
It's not even about what he said to Damon about DE and SE. Really who cares? The guy is a mass murderer not a love guru. That didn't even bother me, totally took with a grain of salt. What bothered me was Klaus at the end of 4x12.
Ok Dude I know your little bro just died but he did come back to the house after leaving, tricked them, called off the truce and then tried to tear Jeremy's arms off oh ya right after staking Elena to a wall. So I'm sorry they in the moment used self defense against an original. I get being sad and even a bit angry but dude who do you think you are acting like a grade A JERK when you killed...
1. ISABEL Elena's real mother whom she had like zero time to get to know. Oh and ya you compelled her to take off her daylight necklace and burn to death right in front of Elena for dramatic effect.
2. JENNA you used JENNA in the sacrifice. You killed Elena's last parental figure and her aunt whom she was very close to. You turned her and then sacrificed her right in front of Elena.
3. JOHN and yes I blame him for John...had he not set all this hybrid crap into motion and forced Elena to feel like she had to go with the sacrifice maybe Damon wouldn't have fed her blood and John wouldn't have used a spell to save her.
4. CAROL How dare you sit there and try to break their house and then the same day talk about redemption for Carol! You took a woman who was helpless and you stuck her head in water and drowned her all because you were mad at Tyler.
Now I love Joesph Morgan. He is an amazing actor and his accent is very sexy. Sometime I find myself enjoying Klaus and then I have to remember what he's done and I'm like oh yeah he sucks. Yes everyone has done evil things but come on... I care about these main characters and he has done so much damage to them and he has killed some of MY favorite characters off. So I'm a HUGE ANTI Klaus person right now.
He turned Stefan into a ripper. He tried to kill Jeremy. He tried to have Tyler kill Caroline. He made Tyler bite Caroline... I don't care if he fixed her then had some sick fascination with her. He daggers ALL of his siblings when he has a tit for tat with them. It's sick. Poor Rebekah cant even trust the guy because he picks Hybrids over her.
And let's not forget one thing that bothered me most last night and that was when he said "If I find the cure I was going to destroy it and kill the lot of you". Oh really Klaus? Thanks for that. Didn't you want redemption for Carol so you and Caroline can ride on rainbows and paint horses & hummingbirds? Kill them and you can forget Caroline forever! I think he should. As much as Care bugs me she is way too good for Klaus!
I forgot another one... He made Elena a human walking blood bag.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Feb 1, 2013 16:29:25 GMT -5
How dare u make a thread like this!!!!!!!! Lol kidding as.much as I love klaus` character you made good points in not liking him. He has done alot of damage to the group and you forgot to mention that he said he wanted his brother to suffer on his terms not theirs lol
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 1, 2013 16:39:26 GMT -5
How dare u make a thread like this!!!!!!!! Lol kidding as.much as I love klaus` character you made good points in not liking him. He has done alot of damage to the group and you forgot to mention that he said he wanted his brother to suffer on his terms not theirs lol How did I forget that!!! LOL As soon as I saw you posted in this thread was like... Oh no... But I'm glad you can see he has done some pretty evil stuff and I don't mean bad stuff but evil. lol =) |
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Post by mysticangel on Feb 1, 2013 16:45:15 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems the show has (with the character of Klaus) is that they made it a point to have him able to thwart every single plan that's come up against him. They made it so that there are literally no ramifications for any of his actions- the guy just keeps on moving through life which, when he became unkillable, ceased to have much in the way of purpose.
In a way, there's no point in Klaus killing or torturing or maiming any of the characters. He gets his way, he moves on to the next thing he wants- but it's never enough. He has to keep pushing, keep provoking and keep prodding the others around him, because he has no other way he knows of to interact with the people around him.
It's never occurred to him to consider other people's emotions or feelings on a subject, or if it did, it was *very* early on- before he was a vampire/wolf.
It also bothers me that the writers/JP decided to have him move off of TVD as opposed to finally having someone come along who could put him in his place, teach him about humanity (and if anyone had a shot at that, it was Elijah), show him how to not be mistreated or abused or how to deal with his anger. Sure, his parents hated him, and most of his siblings have long-standing rivalry issues with him. He earned the latter, but the former lies with Mikael and Ester failing to teach him much of anything.
Apart from Katherine and Elena, Klaus (once the cure is destroyed, and I'm sure it will be now) has no reason to remain on the show. If the cure is destroyed, Elena remains a vampire, and Katherine is his only real revenge clause. He's killed everything/one else, with the exception of Tyler- and has no more motivation to remain in MF.
I just can't help wondering if Caroline is about to become worm food. Klaus showed real interest in her this last episode, which doesn't bode well for Caroline's character.
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Post by Slash on Feb 1, 2013 16:45:27 GMT -5
In Kol's defense, I assume he knew Elena was up to something. I think he even mentioned to Klaus that they were plotting to kill him (wasn't this what set Klaus on his way?). Elena was deadset on killing him to complete the Mark and faking her way towards reaching that goal. If people didn't have other motives with the Originals, this wouldn't have happened. And Kol could have killed Elena and Jeremy. He didn't. He staked her to the wall through her stomach. Jeremy? He was going to take the arm and said he would give him blood afterwards. I know part of it was for his own benefit (the Hunter's Curse) though.
Klaus for me is a love/hate character. I loved him in last night's episode but I hated him a few episodes back when he killed Carol and even sometime before that after Jenna's fate. The way he went about putting down his own family over the years really shows he has some issues cause he has a problem with 'disappointment'. People disappoint you, Brothers and a Sister no less, and you run them through and put them in a box for decades/centuries. Cherry on top is telling the only other walking Brother that you scattered the family to the seas, a Brother who places family above all. Such cruelty. When Klaus has his 'bad' moments that I hate him for, he really goes all in with them. The Carol thing was just too much on his part.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Feb 1, 2013 16:50:57 GMT -5
Haha no I can recognize the stuff hes done because like damon said some of the stuff klaus has done has been for no reason example putting Jenna in the sacrifice when he didn't have to. but he's my favorite bad boy I can't help it hehe
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Post by Slash on Feb 1, 2013 16:53:32 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems the show has (with the character of Klaus) is that they made it a point to have him able to thwart every single plan that's come up against him. They made it so that there are literally no ramifications for any of his actions- the guy just keeps on moving through life which, when he became unkillable, ceased to have much in the way of purpose. In a way, there's no point in Klaus killing or torturing or maiming any of the characters. He gets his way, he moves on to the next thing he wants- but it's never enough. He has to keep pushing, keep provoking and keep prodding the others around him, because he has no other way he knows of to interact with the people around him. It's never occurred to him to consider other people's emotions or feelings on a subject, or if it did, it was *very* early on- before he was a vampire/wolf. It also bothers me that the writers/JP decided to have him move off of TVD as opposed to finally having someone come along who could put him in his place, teach him about humanity (and if anyone had a shot at that, it was Elijah), show him how to not be mistreated or abused or how to deal with his anger. Sure, his parents hated him, and most of his siblings have long-standing rivalry issues with him. He earned the latter, but the former lies with Mikael and Ester failing to teach him much of anything. Apart from Katherine and Elena, Klaus (once the cure is destroyed, and I'm sure it will be now) has no reason to remain on the show. If the cure is destroyed, Elena remains a vampire, and Katherine is his only real revenge clause. He's killed everything/one else, with the exception of Tyler- and has no more motivation to remain in MF. I just can't help wondering if Caroline is about to become worm food. Klaus showed real interest in her this last episode, which doesn't bode well for Caroline's character. Part of Klaus' character is "ME, ME, ME, ME!" with rare glimpses of him caring for others. He's supposed to be this emotionally damaged person (parent issues) so we're supposed to show some sympathy (and I did last night) but the extremes he goes to instead of showing more compassion (I think as far as he goes is not outright ending you like the gesture he showed Damon after Damon shot him but he probably settled that cause he did kill Carol). Elijah is supposed to put him in his place on TO if the rumors are true. He's supposed to be forming alliances with Marcel's (Klaus' prodigy) enemies and since Klaus is rushing back to NO, I imagine Elijah is the one setting things in motion with people who can actually become a problem for Klaus, in an attempt to get him to reform/show some humanity (in other words, Elijah using these enemies to teach his Brother a lesson but crafted in a way where Klaus suffers/learns). Klaus really didn't want anything to do with Elijah when he came to MF and wanted him to stay daggered so Klaus does fear his Brother in some aspect. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 1, 2013 16:54:47 GMT -5
But Kol didn't have to go back. It's like I'm BIG BAD ORIGINAL how dare you! Who cares if they wanted to kill him. You don't have to go back. Keep it trucking and laugh at their failed attempt. Why go back just to show who is boss? At first I didn't like their plan but then when he came back I was like... Oh come on Kol. Now you have it coming. Who walks into a house with a vampire and a vampire hunter who want you dead voluntarily unless you are one cocky SOB!
I just don't feel sorry for someone who goes back... Just to show them what's up. And even if he just staked Elena to a wall I'm sorry but he tried to cut of Jeremy's arms. Jeremy's arms or Kol's life I'd pick his hunter arms. Kol cant just go taking off arms and not expect anything to happen to him.
And bringing it back to Klaus, Klaus was a grade A D.bag last night. He was more angry that he didn't get the choice on how Kol was put down. He still has no right to be as angry as he was after all the crap he's done to these people! Klaus needs to go sit on a white oak stake and rotate!
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Post by mysticangel on Feb 1, 2013 17:03:44 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems the show has (with the character of Klaus) is that they made it a point to have him able to thwart every single plan that's come up against him. They made it so that there are literally no ramifications for any of his actions- the guy just keeps on moving through life which, when he became unkillable, ceased to have much in the way of purpose. In a way, there's no point in Klaus killing or torturing or maiming any of the characters. He gets his way, he moves on to the next thing he wants- but it's never enough. He has to keep pushing, keep provoking and keep prodding the others around him, because he has no other way he knows of to interact with the people around him. It's never occurred to him to consider other people's emotions or feelings on a subject, or if it did, it was *very* early on- before he was a vampire/wolf. It also bothers me that the writers/JP decided to have him move off of TVD as opposed to finally having someone come along who could put him in his place, teach him about humanity (and if anyone had a shot at that, it was Elijah), show him how to not be mistreated or abused or how to deal with his anger. Sure, his parents hated him, and most of his siblings have long-standing rivalry issues with him. He earned the latter, but the former lies with Mikael and Ester failing to teach him much of anything. Apart from Katherine and Elena, Klaus (once the cure is destroyed, and I'm sure it will be now) has no reason to remain on the show. If the cure is destroyed, Elena remains a vampire, and Katherine is his only real revenge clause. He's killed everything/one else, with the exception of Tyler- and has no more motivation to remain in MF. I just can't help wondering if Caroline is about to become worm food. Klaus showed real interest in her this last episode, which doesn't bode well for Caroline's character. Part of Klaus' character is "ME, ME, ME, ME!" with rare glimpses of him caring for others. He's supposed to be this emotionally damaged person (parent issues) so we're supposed to show some sympathy (and I did last night) but the extremes he goes to instead of showing more compassion (I think as far as he goes is not outright ending you like the gesture he showed Damon after Damon shot him but he probably settled that cause he did kill Carol). Elijah is supposed to put him in his place on TO if the rumors are true. He's supposed to be forming alliances with Marcel's (Klaus' prodigy) enemies and since Klaus is rushing back to NO, I imagine Elijah is the one setting things in motion with people who can actually become a problem for Klaus, in an attempt to get him to reform/show some humanity (in other words, Elijah using these enemies to teach his Brother a lesson but crafted in a way where Klaus suffers/learns). Klaus really didn't want anything to do with Elijah when he came to MF and wanted him to stay daggered so Klaus does fear his Brother in some aspect. Yeah, I know about the "ME ME ME ME ME ME" part of his personality. My quibble/qualm with the character is that on one side, he's intelligent enough to outwit/outsmart the majority of the plots set in motion against him (not that any of them have been particularly brilliant), but on the other he has the equivalent personality of a three year old throwing a near constant temper tantrum. And the way he's written has given him little/no opportunity to shine as anything else. We're given glimpses that Klaus can be compassionate, that there might be something in him which gives a damn about something other than himself. We were also given a glimpse, very early on, of the cost of Elijah's forgiveness/redemption- in short, Elijah seemed completely compassionate towards Rose's brother. Right before he decapitated the guy. In front of Rose. I'm not entirely certain that The Originals, because of what I just stated, is going to be much more than a few pilot episodes to see if an audience will bite. And if so, we'll have lost two of the best actors on the show to a pipe dream of Julie Plec's... not that they can't be asked back. |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Feb 1, 2013 17:05:32 GMT -5
But Kol didn't have to go back. It's like I'm BIG BAD ORIGINAL how dare you! Who cares if they wanted to kill him. You don't have to go back. Keep it trucking and laugh at their failed attempt. Why go back just to show who is boss? At first I didn't like their plan but then when he came back I was like... Oh come on Kol. Now you have it coming. Who walks into a house with a vampire and a vampire hunter who want you dead voluntarily unless you are one cocky SOB! I just don't feel sorry for someone who goes back... Just to show them what's up. And even if he just staked Elena to a wall I'm sorry but he tried to cut of Jeremy's arms. Jeremy's arms or Kol's life I'd pick his hunter arms. Kol cant just go taking off arms and not expect anything to happen to him. And bringing it back to Klaus, Klaus was a grade A D.bag last night. He was more angry that he didn't get the choice on how Kol was put down. He still has no right to be as angry as he was after all the crap he's done to these people! Klaus needs to go sit on a white oak stake and rotate! Well Im assuming he heard Jeremy and Elenas Conversation at their attempt to kill them and was like Eff this I wont be made a fool out of! lol and in True Logic Fashion Kol couldve just ripped off Jeremys arm lol And with Klaus I think he was pissed that Elena just used a lame as excuse like I didnt have a choice n called her on her bs saying you planned this he didnt just get invited in for the hell of it. And like i said in another post i feel it was payback for him having to helplessly watch same way he made Elena watch jenna die |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 1, 2013 17:41:37 GMT -5
I still don't feel bad for Klaus or Kol. Elena made the decision to kill Kol, yes. But Kol knew it and still came back. He didn't have to. And Klaus should blame his brother for going back and not waiting for him. They both knew what was up. It's like walking into a den and knowing they are going to release lions. Why do it? Unless you are cocky and wont let anyone get away with anything. Kol thought they couldn't kill him. That he could handle the situation. He didn't give them credit and judged them wrong. He thought they couldn't do it and they did!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 18:21:09 GMT -5
One of my biggest peeves with Klaus is that he's the antagonist but at the same time its like they're trying to make him apart of the gang. He's at his best when he's the villain, not drawing pictures for Caroline or sitting around and chatting up a storm with the gang. He's done so many damaging things to everyone but he's treated as just your average person. Stefan having Klaus 'babysit' Damon? What was stopping Klaus from just killing Damon? He's had so many run ins with him that could have been the perfect opportunity with Damon in his weakened state. Its just ridiculous sometimes.
On that note I hate how they have him have an opinion on the triangle. Who cares. Why does Klaus even care who Elena is with? But even so if he's relating his bad choices with Caroline to how Damon was with Elena, shouldn't he be more team Delena than Stelena? He might as well be shipping Forwood then. But again who cares lol
It also feels like his storyline is being dragged out. For two seasons his focus has been on hybrids and Elena and when Elena became a vampire I thought it would be over but now there's a cure and we're ready to jump back in the roller coaster and ride the same loops again.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 1, 2013 18:38:49 GMT -5
You wanted this to be an anti thread right? Cause it's looking like a debate, people. Anti means we get to have our say with no rebuttals, no defending the characters here.  Now if she wants to debate it, Sweet can move it to debates. I'll let her decide what she wants the thread to be and place it accordingly. If it stays here it is rants only. |
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Post by Slash on Feb 1, 2013 18:41:31 GMT -5
I still don't feel bad for Klaus or Kol. Elena made the decision to kill Kol, yes. But Kol knew it and still came back. He didn't have to. And Klaus should blame his brother for going back and not waiting for him. They both knew what was up. It's like walking into a den and knowing they are going to release lions. Why do it? Unless you are cocky and wont let anyone get away with anything. Kol thought they couldn't kill him. That he could handle the situation. He didn't give them credit and judged them wrong. He thought they couldn't do it and they did! They were somewhat at odds with the whole Silas/Cure thing. Kol was doing his own thing, on his own, just like the other 2. And by all means, he's an Original. He shouldn't have had to have worried about them killing him: he had the Stake, Bekah had the last dagger. He mentioned last episode or the episode before: "I'm immortal and I'd like to keep it that way." It's just for plot purposes, he had the Stake *ON HIM*, the one thing that could end his life for good unlike the dagger, and Elena had glanced it when he arrived  And you have baby Vamp Elena holding down/restraining an Original. Haha...no. By all purposes, if I was Kol, I would have walked my ass back in the house too if I didn't know that there was a *PLOT* protecting Hansel & Gretel. So giving "credit" to the two Gilbert clowns is a bit much IMO. (This is probably the wrong place for this as it's turning into a debate, my apologies, when we're in the Anti section) EDIT: Just saw Doppel's post |
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Post by mysticangel on Feb 1, 2013 18:45:50 GMT -5
Uh, that was about as close to a rant as you'll ever see from me about a character (although I was ranting more about the way it was written than about the acting or the actual character). I'm not defending Klaus or his actions by any means. But if you're going to rant, you kinda have to consider the whole character and what made them act in a way you didn't like or hate. Otherwise if another character picks it up you'll be starting anti-character threads like hybrids die on the show, and that's not a good thing. I guess I'm just more likely to examine why I don't like it, as opposed to simply disliking it and stating so. |
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