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Post by Ruby2579 on Feb 1, 2013 19:15:53 GMT -5
Ok so before I get into this DISCUSSION I want to clarify I want it to be just that. No heated Arguments those get draining I just want to hear your thoughts. It was brought up in the SE Bubble that Damon was so in Love with Katherine he was willing to become a Vampire Just to be with her forever and didnt think twice about it. He wasnt compelled like Stefan was he accepted her for what she was and he wasnt afraid. (Which btw they never showed us how Damon found out Katherine was a vampire) Now in the Webclip for Next Episode it shows Damon not really wanting to discuss the whole taking the cure situation. When Elena asks him he is kind of taken back from the question. With Stefan he was willing to take the cure in order to be with Elena forever and grow old etc. I wanted to know your thoughts about why Damon might not want to the cure and if it questions the difference in love he felt for katherine to the love he feels for Elena.
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Post by Misty on Feb 1, 2013 19:22:32 GMT -5
I mentioned this somewhere else but since this is the appropriate place... With this whole sire-bond thing in the forefront of Damon's mind, I think he is afraid that if Elena becomes human again that she'll go back to Stefan. So I can imagine him being hesitant to discuss whether he'd take it. If he says, "Of course I'll do it to be with you." and then his worst fears come true then he would have made a huge change only to go back to being alone anyway. Would he like to stay a vampire? I believe yes. But would he do it for Elena if he was sure that's what she truly wanted? I also think yes.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 1, 2013 19:27:09 GMT -5
No, I don't think he wants the cure and never has, and recently Ian did an interview in which he said that so we know now what Damon's position will be on that. If Elena turns human again it doesn't effect anything in their relationship if Damon doesn't. That's how he originally envisioned things being anyway. She would grow old and die and he would live on eternally or perhaps walk into the sunlight if he can't live without her. If she doesn't turn human then he would have that much longer with her, but he is OK with whatever she chooses to do with her own life. As far as Katherine goes, she promised him they would be together forever. It was that promise that convinced him to turn and be with her It's totally different because he would have had less years with Katherine otherwise, so that was a factor. In this case if he doesn't turn human it doesn't effect how long they would have together. It would be based on how long Elena ultimately lives.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 1, 2013 20:45:41 GMT -5
I'm kinda surprised the topic has come up already. I mean Elena hasn't even asked him to be with her forever and it was the first time she even brought it up to him and as Misty stated the sire bond is still in play. But I don't think this has anything to do with feelings because then why would it be only Damon taking the cure in question and not Elena not taking the cure. There are two ways for them to be together forever. Elena doesn't have to take the cure so that she can be with Damon forever. So lets wait until after this Sire bond business is out of play and see where these two characters heads are at so that no matter what they choose it wont be affected or Sire bond judged.
Ian has said he doesn't want to be human again but if it was what Elena wanted he would do it in a heartbeat. I know he would to just be with her. I used to want them like this. Human together forever. But now I'm feeling like I want Elena to stay a vampire and choose to stay a vampire for him!
The boys are always choosing for her. It'd be nice for her to choose for them once. But like I said it's way too early to debate in my own book or opinion and or even judge. We still have the sire bond in play.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 1, 2013 20:49:26 GMT -5
And they are all assuming they can have the cure. Like it's a pie and everyone gets a slice. What if the cure is a wee little magic pill and only one person can have it? What or why do we and the characters think the cure could even be used on everyone? Has there been anything said that I'm missing???
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Post by Misty on Feb 1, 2013 20:54:24 GMT -5
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but just off the top of my head...wasn't it said that it was a weapon that could bring and end to all vampires? I think that means it could be used on all of them. Although I'm sure there is some sort of catch to it and can't be as easy as they seem to think it's going to be.
(Not that it's been easy up to this point...but hopefully you all know what I mean LOL)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 22:58:06 GMT -5
I'd like to see how 4x13-4x15 plays out. Although given the circumstances I can't blame Damon for not wanting to take the cure. Does Klaus have plans to take it too? What's the point of the main trio all being humans? It'd be so dumb though lol What edge would they have to constant threats? Given what Klaus said last episode he was planning on killing them all anyways.
Damon believes Elena's love for him is a result of the sire bond so he plans to get her cured to break it and he just expects her to go straight back into Stefan's arms. Having known what its felt like to kiss Elena, love Elena, being boyfriend/girlfriend. As a vampire he can easily flip the switch and as a human he cannot.
Unlike Elena, Stefan and Damon have been vampires for a century and then some. Damon misses being human but I don't see why he would go back to it given the advantages he has as a vampire and the constant dangers the gang always face. Though the cure was always intended for Elena to take it and more so since the goal is to break the sire bond.
Damon's response is not surprising actually. He's always putting Elena's wants above his own. I'm sure if Elena says she wants him to take the cure so the two of them could live a human life like Sweet said he'd do it in a heartbeat.
But right now he thinks her feelings are a cause of the sire bond and she's going to go to Stefan when it breaks so why would he turn human with her if her choice at that point is Stefan? I could see Damon being protective over a human Elena and Stefan and making sure they're safe. Although most likely the cure isn't what it seems so chances are everyone will remain a vampire lol
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 2, 2013 1:20:08 GMT -5
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Post by proxi on Feb 2, 2013 3:04:51 GMT -5
I'd like to see how 4x13-4x15 plays out. Although given the circumstances I can't blame Damon for not wanting to take the cure. Does Klaus have plans to take it too? What's the point of the main trio all being humans? It'd be so dumb though lol What edge would they have to constant threats? Given what Klaus said last episode he was planning on killing them all anyways. Damon believes Elena's love for him is a result of the sire bond so he plans to get her cured to break it and he just expects her to go straight back into Stefan's arms. Having known what its felt like to kiss Elena, love Elena, being boyfriend/girlfriend. As a vampire he can easily flip the switch and as a human he cannot. Unlike Elena, Stefan and Damon have been vampires for a century and then some. Damon misses being human but I don't see why he would go back to it given the advantages he has as a vampire and the constant dangers the gang always face. Though the cure was always intended for Elena to take it and more so since the goal is to break the sire bond. Damon's response is not surprising actually. He's always putting Elena's wants above his own. I'm sure if Elena says she wants him to take the cure so the two of them could live a human life like Sweet said he'd do it in a heartbeat. But right now he thinks her feelings are a cause of the sire bond and she's going to go to Stefan when it breaks so why would he turn human with her if her choice at that point is Stefan? I could see Damon being protective over a human Elena and Stefan and making sure they're safe. Although most likely the cure isn't what it seems so chances are everyone will remain a vampire lol I agree entirely with this post. At this point, the gap between Damon and Elena is becoming bigger and bigger, the writers didn't give them any chance for a talk, so all Damon sees in the future is his broken heart, Elena being Stefan's and him going back to his protector role. It's actually absurd if they "redo" the S3 finale, when Damon was supposed to die alone and heartbroken (as said about 4x15), knowing that Elena will be Stefan's after the bond is broken due to his sacrifice. D/E sure need to have a real talk about the potential cure and their feelings, before they go into the belly of the beast. I hope their talk is longer than what was already released.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Feb 2, 2013 3:22:19 GMT -5
I suspect Damon's reasons for not wanting to take the cure is deep rooted in the fear that human Elena will reject him all over again. Like Stefan's fear that without the cure he stands no chance of getting Elena back again. Watching TVD I get the impression that Damon doesn't really know too much about the SB, because he doesn't realise that it was Elena's feelings for him that got her sired in the first place. What I'm happy about is since he found out about the SB he had behaved like a gentleman and not taken advantage of the SB, which was why I found Stefan's remarks uncalled for.
Ian is right that Damon wouldn't take the cure and would want to remain a vampire, however, I'm also in agreement with everyone else who said that if Elena asked Damon he would take it, because I personally believe that there isn't anything Damon wouldn't do if Elena asked, and had the interviewer asked Ian that question instead, we would have gotton a completely differant answer.
I also cannot wait for the SB to be broken, because I feel that both Damon and Stefan are going to be totally wrong in their assumptions and that whether she is a vampire or human Elena has changed, and that change will come in the way of how she now views both brothers and life in general, and where she thinks her place in the world is. The good news for Damon is....the change is going to be in his favour.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2013 8:50:08 GMT -5
I think that Damon would take it if Elena asked him to as well. I am sorta a Datherine fan, but I see right now that Damon is in love with Elena and she has changed him in many ways Katherine changed him in the 1800s so I feel like we can't judge that statement until/if he is asked by Elena when there is nothing clouding her judgement.
I do think the cure will be something brings an end to vampirism ---I don't think it will be a choice---I think it will be an everyone sorta thing if the cure even really exists.
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Post by mysticangel on Feb 2, 2013 12:10:45 GMT -5
I think I read somewhere (I don't remember which blurb or where) that when Bonnie reveals what Shane told her the "cure" actually entails, the whole gang is pretty much horrified. That may alter things a bit. It'd be interesting to see someone who doesn't want it get forced into taking it- if Klaus were thinking straight right now, he'd have Elena, Stefan, Rebekah & Damon take the cure and remain an immortal himself. With Elijah not far behind them. I'm hoping Damon remains a vampire, mostly because I can't imagine him as anything else after everything he's been through. I also don't see Elena forcing him to take it if he doesn't want it, although that will have an effect on their relationship. Interestingly enough, I'm questioning whether Elena actually wants it for herself. She kinda came into her own against Kol this past episode, and turning human again means she goes back to being nearly helpless against Elijah, Klaus, Rebekah (who she hates and will likely want to keep any advantage against), and the majority of the rest of people who seem determined to mess with the Gilbert family (remember vamp Alaric?). Oh, and there's also the fact that Silas himself may have some very different ideas about who gets 'cured'. Any way it plays out, it is going to have an impact on the characters and their relationships- so for now, I'm keeping tuned. It's about time we had another decent villain on the show- not that Kol fell short.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 2, 2013 16:02:15 GMT -5
I know there is some twist to it, but I'd love to see that article about being horrified...hmmm...makes me wonder, but not surprising. It's never gonna be easy.
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Post by kat on Feb 3, 2013 2:07:05 GMT -5
I think I read somewhere (I don't remember which blurb or where) that when Bonnie reveals what Shane told her the "cure" actually entails, the whole gang is pretty much horrified. That may alter things a bit. It'd be interesting to see someone who doesn't want it get forced into taking it- if Klaus were thinking straight right now, he'd have Elena, Stefan, Rebekah & Damon take the cure and remain an immortal himself. With Elijah not far behind them. I'm hoping Damon remains a vampire, mostly because I can't imagine him as anything else after everything he's been through. I also don't see Elena forcing him to take it if he doesn't want it, although that will have an effect on their relationship. Interestingly enough, I'm questioning whether Elena actually wants it for herself. She kinda came into her own against Kol this past episode, and turning human again means she goes back to being nearly helpless against Elijah, Klaus, Rebekah (who she hates and will likely want to keep any advantage against), and the majority of the rest of people who seem determined to mess with the Gilbert family (remember vamp Alaric?). Oh, and there's also the fact that Silas himself may have some very different ideas about who gets 'cured'. Any way it plays out, it is going to have an impact on the characters and their relationships- so for now, I'm keeping tuned. It's about time we had another decent villain on the show- not that Kol fell short. I was actually starting to wonder if the cure made you immortal without being vampiric but if they are "horrified" then that probably isn't the case.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Feb 3, 2013 5:28:31 GMT -5
The gist that i'm getting from Bonnie is what they think the cure does isn't as straight forward as everyone thought, there is another element to it. And from the fact that everyone is horrified then that would suggest that this new element is not a positive one.
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