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Post by iholland on Dec 15, 2013 16:42:10 GMT -5
I believe that Elena is better off with Stefan. In episode 5x10, Damon breaks up with Elena and says that he's been the bad guy all along. I think that Elena belonged with Stefan all along. Yes, both Stefan and Damon have done some pretty bad things, but Damon in particular fed Elena his blood against her will in Season 2. Stefan would have never done that to her. Stefan was also the one that respected her decision when she was drowning in the car alongside Matt and told him to save Matt instead of her. Damon said he would have saved her instead of Matt because he was just that selfish.
I am glad that Damon has moments where he recognizes his actions and bad sides, but I've never heard him say sorry to Elena. I know he probably feels really bad inside, but I think deep down he knows that Stefan deserves Elena much more than he ever has. Elena should've never loved him in the first place. He has always lashed out when he gets angry and done some stupid things. Stefan thinks things through most of the time.
I think another big difference between Stefan and Damon is that Damon takes the more aggressive approach with Elena, while Stefan is very calm about things and he just gets angry and talks firmly with her.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Dec 15, 2013 17:26:33 GMT -5
There is a time and place for respecting another persons wishes and that time is never in a life or death situation. Not even in real life will you find anyone on this planet who would save a stranger over a loved one....NO ONE. Damon's reaction to save Elena over anyone else is actually a normal response and Stefan's actions is not the norm and is actually questionable. The end result in doing what Elena asked was that she drowned, who do you know would let the person they love in the whole wide world drown. If it had been Damon instead of Stefan he would have saved Elena first made sure she was safe and then gone back for Matt. Damon does respect Elena's wishes, but only when her life is not in danger. There is a difference between respecting somones wishes and stupidity.
Damon feeding Elena his blood against her will is the equivalent of Stefan bringing two female victims to force Damon into making the transition into vamparism against his will......it is call love and love by its very nature is selfish. Damon didn't want to be a vampire yet it was forced upon him by Stefan.
Heads up, it is actually Stefan who doesn't get called on his wrong doings, by Damon recognising he has short comings means that he can grow from them and not remain static like Stefan.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Dec 15, 2013 17:53:57 GMT -5
There is something not normal or healthy in Stefan's decision to always allow Elena to act on any plan which not only leads her into danger but could also result in her losing her life. It wouldn't happen in real life and this is the first fictional TV character I've seen allow a girlfriend, the person they love to walk into danger just so it could be seen that they are respecting their wishes. It just wouldn't happen....... A normal persons reaction would be to protect their loved ones even if it meant from themselves. That is not selfisness it is just common sense.
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Post by vampirelust on Dec 15, 2013 19:47:19 GMT -5
iholland. Quote" Yes both Stefan and Damon have done some pretty bad things, but Damon in particular fed Elena his blood against her will in season 2. Stefan would have never done that to her" I think you should (re)watch episode 11, Season 3. Stefan did that very thing. Then threatened to kill/turn her by driving of Wickery Bridge. Damon has apologised to Elena for things he has done to her. He apologised for killing Jeremy, when he admitted that he had no clue that Jeremy was wearing the Gilbert ring, I'm not sure but I think it was 3x02 or 3x03. The Duke Ep. He also apologised to her for forcing his blood on her and asked her forgiveness in 2x22, then went on to apologise for everything else when he was on his deathbed.
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Post by iholland on Dec 15, 2013 21:30:08 GMT -5
ok thank you I will re-watch those episodes at some point.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 15, 2013 22:05:14 GMT -5
A little memory refresher. I don't think Stefan was too concerned about Elena's free will when he did this, right before he walked away from her and left her alone at night in the middle of nowhere. For the record he also never actually apologized to her for doing this. He just said he 'went too far' with it. He also didn't do it to keep her alive, like Damon did. He did it for revenge against Klaus. He basically used her to get at Klaus.:
And here is Damon's apology to Elena:
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Post by beangelic1000 on Dec 16, 2013 17:59:00 GMT -5
Doppel thanks for the video evidence, they prove the point nicely....  |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 14, 2014 22:23:40 GMT -5
I think she's better with Damon. Stefan treats her too delicate where as Damon actually treats her more like an equal. I don't mean that in a bad way but look at Elena when she was with Stefan and Elena with damon. With Damon she more of a backbone and seems stronger as a character. But that might just be me.
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Post by teamdelena on Mar 23, 2015 22:56:13 GMT -5
I feel like she would be better off with Damon. I mean she's always had a soft spot for Stephen but she's also always felt something for Damon she just never really admitted her feelings until she became a vampire. Both the Salvatore brothers have done stupid reckless things too possibly kill her. but in the long run I think its Damon that makes her feel the most alive.
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Post by Demise on Mar 30, 2015 20:44:33 GMT -5
i think this is turning more into a delena vs stelena thread its getting heated up in here.
i'm gonna have to go with damon on this one and no im not really a damon fan as i still believe
that the show should be about stefan.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 30, 2015 22:58:49 GMT -5
i think this is turning more into a delena vs stelena thread its getting heated up in here. i'm gonna have to go with damon on this one and no im not really a damon fan as i still believe that the show should be about stefan. Why do you think the show should be about Stefan? I think it's kind of about Elena, or it has been for the most part, but I think it should be about all three and I wish there was a lot more about Damon's history without Stefan being injected into it all the time because he wasn't always with him. Once he dropped Stefan off with Lexie where did he go? What did he do? How did he manage? Stuff we may never know... We don't see him as a newbie vamp other than right after turning and then again in 1912 which is 50 years later. But as for now, I think Delena is way better than Stelena and I don't think Stefan ever really accepted her as a vampire and I don't even know if he's able to accept anyone as a vampire because he can't accept himself as a vampire so there ya go...we'll see how the Steroline thing goes with that in mind. |
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Post by Demise on Mar 30, 2015 23:23:32 GMT -5
i think this is turning more into a delena vs stelena thread its getting heated up in here. i'm gonna have to go with damon on this one and no im not really a damon fan as i still believe that the show should be about stefan. Why do you think the show should be about Stefan? I think it's kind of about Elena, or it has been for the most part, but I think it should be about all three and I wish there was a lot more about Damon's history without Stefan being injected into it all the time because he wasn't always with him. Once he dropped Stefan off with Lexie where did he go? What did he do? How did he manage? Stuff we may never know... We don't see him as a newbie vamp other than right after turning and then again in 1912 which is 50 years later. at the start of the series it was mainly about stefan and elena writting into their diaries and telliing us their story. but im also with you i like how the story revolves around all 3, they did hint some parts of damon past without any involvement of stefan, when he was locked up with enzo at the augustine lab for many years. its just my hope that they allow stefan to remain a unremorseful badass for a little longer thats what i meant when i said (i still believe that the show should be about stefan) |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 31, 2015 7:02:04 GMT -5
Why do you think the show should be about Stefan? I think it's kind of about Elena, or it has been for the most part, but I think it should be about all three and I wish there was a lot more about Damon's history without Stefan being injected into it all the time because he wasn't always with him. Once he dropped Stefan off with Lexie where did he go? What did he do? How did he manage? Stuff we may never know... We don't see him as a newbie vamp other than right after turning and then again in 1912 which is 50 years later. at the start of the series it was mainly about stefan and elena writting into their diaries and telliing us their story. but im also with you i like how the story revolves around all 3, they did hint some parts of damon past without any involvement of stefan, when he was locked up with enzo at the augustine lab for many years. its just my hope that they allow stefan to remain a unremorseful badass for a little longer thats what i meant when i said (i still believe that the show should be about stefan) Ha! Yes, I hope to see more of that Stefan as well. I think they haven't been brave enough with him and have tried too hard to keep him this 'white knight' when really that is such a lie considering his ripper side. I like the contradiction of this show where they tell you one thing and show you another and he is no exception to that. I've just been waiting to see full blown ripper Stefan for six seasons! |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 3, 2015 21:43:18 GMT -5
I love Stefan when he is emotionless and doesn't give a crap. I remember when he lost his memories and Damon took him out for a night on the town and Stefan basically said Damon drove like a grandma and he couldn't be "the fun one", haha. Then Damon flips the car and totals it, showing that he is "the fun brother". I love those two like that and their relationship would be more interesting to watch if not for broody, judgy Stefan, lol.
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