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Post by missmystic on Nov 15, 2014 12:05:07 GMT -5
I agree with this. And I'm feeling extremely conflicted about all of this, as evidence by my contradictory posts in several different threads lol. I have never felt this conflicted about TVD before. I don't know, maybe that means they are doing a good job lol. But yeah, there is a big part of me that is really against Elena right now. I do not agree with the mind erase at all. Not one bit. I think it was a horrible thing to do. I would never, EVER do that. I don't know anyone who would. If someone you loved died, then all you have of them is the memories! That's all you will ever have again. And I treasure every single one of those memories! I think what she did was horrible, and yeah, I have been judging her for it since it happened. In my opinion that kind of decision shows a lack of character. She was weak, she chose the easy way out. I was really hoping to see a stronger and more heroic Elena this season. But that decision was neither strong nor heroic. Not even close. But part of that has to do with the way they have been writing her since season 4. Season 1 and season 2 Elena would never have done this. She was a stronger person then than she is now. Which is stupid to me. People's character growth is not supposed to go backwards. I really don't get how they have so completely lost sight of who Elena was at her core in the beginning of this show. I really hope they find a way to write that back in. Because this Elena is not likeable, and she doesn't deserve Damon. I think she needs to make amends for her actions. She needs to beg his forgiveness for what she did. Because I think what she did was terrible. And a huge betrayal. And no matter how I look at it, I can't sympathize with her point of view. She made a mistake. A big one. And she needs to pay for it. You know what's awful? Is that we say this every time, that Elena needs to make amends, that Elena needs to be the one to fix this and to go to Damon and make it right and as of yet it has not happened, not even once. She did fight for him some, as I pointed out in the DE thread, but really only about the sirebond and proving her love was 'real' to him. The times she has really failed him far outnumber that, beginning with 3x14 and 3x22 WHEN WE NOW KNOW SHE WAS IN LOVE WITH HIM! I mean, wtf? I really hope her 'love' turns out to be true and not another Stelena affair where she was trying on Damon for size and the moment things got painful she threw her memories away. I mean look who she chooses next? Liam? Any pretty face will do I guess! I just don't know about her sometimes and how emotionally able she is to love Damon and he needs someone who is all in with him. Shallow love is not his thing, that's Stefan! At this point she's going to have to prove to ME that her love is real because I'm not feeling it knowing she threw it all away in 4 months time. They've even put in some parallels that don't bode well for her rash decision, like Damon telling her he'd never...and him telling Stefan it's only been 4 months and therefore no reason to throw away a perfectly good bottle of bourbon...parallel much? Even the name of the episode, "The World has Turned and Left Me Here." That's an awfully forlorn title to an episode. The rest aren't helping either....
Damon's speech is what really got me thinking on this, because he tells her he'd never and then he lies to her about what happened in the rain, something he obviously found to be very precious to him at the time. It's as if he doesn't want her to know because he doesn't want her to spoil it for him, his happy memory...it's all quite sad to me... How can we expect Damon to just be OK with this choice she made? How would any of us feel if that happened to us? The person we loved more than life itself just throws away all good memories of us by choice? It would be devastating. I ragged on Stefan for saying he'd do it and how that meant he didn't love Elena, how shallow it was. Elena doesn't get a pass either. It was just the wrong choice...period. Elena is darn good at making the wrong choices!
Love the rest of what you added here after I respended before! And yeah, agree, completely. It was the wrong choice. And I judge her for it. Big mistake. Not ok. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 15, 2014 12:10:25 GMT -5
Yeah I always have more to say on everything...lol I am notorious for adding to my posts.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 15, 2014 12:14:05 GMT -5
The words to that song...it's so where Delena is now. The song seems full of doubt about how real someone's love is, to me...I guess we should be looking at these songs a bit more closely.
"The World Has Turned And Left Me Here"
The world has turned and left me here
Just where I was before you appeared
And in your place an empty space
Has filled the void behind my face
I just made love with your sweet memory
One thousand times in my head
You said you loved it more than ever
You said
You remain turned away
Turning further every day
The world has turned and left me here
Just where I was before you appeared
And in your place an empty space
Has filled the void behind my face
I talked for hours to your wallet photograph
And you just listened
You laughed enchanted by intellect
Or maybe you didn't
You remain turned away
Turning further every day
The world has turned and left me here
Just where I was before you appeared
And in your place an empty space
Has filled the void behind my face
You remain, turned away
Turning further every day
The world has turned and left me here
Just where I was before you appeared
And in your place, an empty space
Has filled the void behind my face
Do you believe what I sing now?
Do you believe what I sing now?
Do you believe?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 22, 2014 13:23:28 GMT -5
I'm not anti-Elena but I found this funny because this was MY first impression of 'Elena Who Forgets She Loved Damon's' reasons for grabbing Damon's hand to get his cooperation even though he already WAS searching for Bonnie. I felt it wasn't romantic on her part really but rather manipulative and because she wanted to be a part of the search so she inserted herself into it in this way...I mean that IS one way to look at it since her first words were about why she wasn't told about what they were doing...
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I rambled elsewhere about how annoyed I was with Elena in the Liam Compelling Scene. I wanted to screeeeeeeeeeam at her this episode because every moment possible, she seemingly turned the topic around to be about her needs/wants/input. Her scenes where she was on the phone with Stefan/the boys: "Wait, you guys knew Bonnie was alive? How dare you guys not tell me immediately!" (Because you and Bonnie still haven't been very close the past few seasons, no matter what "best friend" labels you want to throw around haphazardly.) "Wait, you guys are in Portland? I should be there with you!" (Because let's pretend that you aren't a curse that brings death and despair to your friends whenever there's an action sequence.) "Stefan, can't you make up with Caroline so things won't be awkward anymore because they're awkward for me. And that's stupid." (Because notice that, for all the teasing that Damon and Alaric and Ms. Cuddles give Stefan about being on Caroline's wrong side, they ALSO give him some (semi-stereotypical-"dudebro"-logic) about why she'd be a good girlfriend. So they validate that Caroline is someone worth being around. Elena complains about the effect of the situation; at least she mentions that she sides with Caroline, but it's by the default of being "best friends." Huge finger quotes.
And then the wonderful episode finale: There they are, Damon with that warble in his voice and hints of vulnerability on his face that show he's being sincere when he talks about what he and Bonnie did on the Other Side (to Charlie's point, sure, he notes that Bonnie listened a lot and that he definitely talked about his feelings for Elena—BUT for us the viewers, we also know that Bonnie and Damon have a bond that doesn't depend on saying Elena's name every other second. Sometimes, Bonnie and Damon ate across from each other in silence but with grins on their faces; or they jerked each others' chains as they're known for doing. I'm *hoping* we can have the benefit of the doubt that B&D can maintain some sort of friendship when she returns because they support each other in new ways now. But nope. While Elena did say she was glad that they had each other, she then switched gears to basically use Damon's new feelings for Bonnie for her own benefit while also hinting at romance (or maybe leading him on): Damon, I'm going to be emotionally-manipulative YET AGAIN and imply that you and I have a stronger chance of getting back together if you help me get Bonnie back. And by help me, I mean I'm going to get in your way somehow by ending up a hostage or wounded and it's going to complicate the actual rescue mission, not unlike how me "dying" with you last season finale helped delay you crossing over, sealing you on the Other Side. But that doesn't matter because you're still in love with me and I'm curious about being in love with you since you're so devoted to me. So...yeah!
*wishes Kai would knock me out with painkillers and put me in a car trunk because Elena is my May 9, 1994.
Case in point for this argument....This was ALWAYS her way of doing things with Damon prior to falling in love with him and Damon caught on to this method of hers. Remember that she does NOT remember loving Damon right now.:
And Elena has admitted to this manipulation....
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Post by Demise on Nov 27, 2014 1:22:51 GMT -5
Yeah i agree elena was getting on my last nerve i practically stopped watching midway through season 5. she was like a plague she killed the series for me. i only started watching again when katerina came back in the picture and when she and stefan hooked up. After that the rest was a blur i only started watching season 6 because i had nothing else better to do.
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Post by missmystic on Nov 28, 2014 9:40:31 GMT -5
I miss Katherine :-( I think they made a mistake getting rid of her. I would have liked to see her and Stefan explore their relationship more.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 6, 2014 8:48:55 GMT -5
unfortunately this is kind of true...Elena better get her crap together soon...Damon is tired of everyone only ever remembering the bad things he's done and he's done a whole lot of good things that nobody ever acknowledges. As his self esteem improves (and I believe that is happening now) he will not tolerate all of that anymore. He has been speaking up for himself more and more instead of believing that he is a piece of crap that doesn't deserve to be treated well. Bonnie did do one good thing for him. She gave him hope and she believed in him. She believed he was savable. To be fair Elena believed in him first and saw something in him that nobody else did and she really worked to bring him to where he is now, but Bonnie currently saw it and Elena has regressed back to seeing nothing but the bad stuff...so yeah, Elena better start remembering, and soon... As I said when it first happened, her giving up on Damon may have a ripple effect because Damon would have never erased his memories of her for any reason and I think that is going to be a sticking point with Delena now. I'm a Delena fan and I'll always be a Delena fan but Elena really screwed up when she did that.
anonymous asked:
"because try as he might, he cannot deny or fight how close they became. And he doesn’t really know how to feel about that s***" - a thousand times this
Yaaaaaaaas! Lmfao. My God, there was so much I didn’t even touch on man. Like how he made it a point to let Elena know just WHO he was doing this s*** for. To me, Damon is getting more and more DONE with Elena every day. I think her compelling away her memories made him see her for what she truly is, which is selfish as s***. And the more she talks, the more he becomes fed the f*** up. The more she berates him for little s***, like “getting Bonnie back so she could fall in love with him”, the more Damon gets sick of her thinking the absolute worse of him.
At this point, Bonnie isn’t even a threat to Delena, Elena is. All she has to do is keep talking lmfao.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 6, 2014 8:56:34 GMT -5
This is going to be the problem. Can Damon forgive her for this? The longer she doesn't remember and the more she assumes the worst about him, the further apart they may become and if he thinks he will never get her back to where she remembers will he decide that he is done with it? Because she did this to them, and to him, and she was right when she said she shouldn't have erased her memories because they were only half hers.
When Damon promised forever, he meant it. Now he's wondering why her forever lasted less than 4 months...I'm pretty sure this is going to come up again in an argument and hopefully not a break up fight. What she did effectively ended them if she can't get her memories back again. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 6, 2014 9:15:05 GMT -5
The irony of her accusing Damon of only doing it for her when she had gone to him to ASK him to help get Bonnie back after he was already doing it, is really something... Sometimes I just want to shake her. I mean which is it Elena? You wanted his help. He said he'd help. Then you accuse him of ulterior motives for helping? I'm waiting for when Damon blasts her for her hypocrisy down the road...he's being very patient right now because he knows she doesn't remember the good stuff but how long will that last? I would like to see him tell her that he doesn't care that she doesn't remember because it DID happen and he isn't the same person that he was and she can choose to believe it or not but get the hell off his ass like he's a dick all the time. I'd be cheering. And now he will find out that Sarah is alive and he can get that monkey off his back as well and feel better that he didn't kill a baby. He has been tormented by that and he said so to Elena...
I just want the Elena back that cared about Damon despite thinking he was up to no good and tried her best to bring out the good in him. Where is she? She didn't just accuse him of evil doing. She coaxed him to do better. She knew there was good in him. This Elena that accuses him isn't the same person. It's like Alaric even erased her natural positive thinking about him that she had before she fell in love with him, which in a way he did by changing the memories to take away the good feelings she had, even when she met him and was intrigued by him on the road and maybe that's the problem. Changing THAT memory, changed everything. We know that there's a domino effect and we know that even when compelled some feelings remain intact, but he changed her memories in such a way as to take away her good feelings about Damon every step of the way, not just her feelings of love for him, but every good thing she felt about him because those things eventually led to her falling in love with him and if that crumb trail to love is gone, will she be able to fall in love with him again? Right now she's suspicious of his every move and acting like she's not gonna fall for his fake nice guy act. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 14, 2015 13:38:22 GMT -5
This was actually kind of funny and it shows just how stupid the writing on the show can be:
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Damon:*literally does everything in his power to bring bonnie back since finding out she was still alive*
Elena:Hey so I've decided to save my best friend Bonnie, do you wanna tag along? You know, for me?
Damon:*goes back to 1994 to rescue his best friend bonnie*
Elena:Yeah but you're clearly only doing this so that I'll love you, you don't care about Bonnie.
Elena:God, Damon, why do you have to make everything about me?!
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Post by samjhart on Jan 26, 2015 19:41:41 GMT -5
Elena is really digging herself a hole isn't she? I mean if she's not careful she'll be a social leper in that town. This Elena is not only unlikeable I can't relate to her. I get losing Damon was devastating but she needed a good shake. She can't take the loss but the memories are what connected her to Damon. How did make sense getting rid of them? I mean I'm not Damon's biggest fan but there was surely a part of her that felt maybe she put Damon's soul/spirit in pain over her actions? What a silly girl.
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Post by victoriasum on Apr 24, 2015 19:44:42 GMT -5
Only a few more episodes and then no more Elena!!!!!!! Long as Damon is still on I will keep watching.
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Post by victoriasum on May 12, 2015 9:10:17 GMT -5
I'm ticked that Caroline apologized to Elena. It's like no tells Elena the truth unless their evil (Katherine, Rebekah, no-humanity Caroline), and that just drives me crazy.
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Post by chrizakathemole on May 15, 2015 9:20:34 GMT -5
I loved the last episode here (16) at last characters are pointing out how bad a character is Elena is! I also went back and watched an earlier episode what the **** were the costume designers thinking with her shoulder pads LOL they look so stupid
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