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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 18, 2014 17:30:02 GMT -5
I am honestly shocked this was not a thread. I know this could be bad but I'm really Anti-Elena. Don't get me wrong she has stuff I like and I love the actress (Katherine was great) but I hate how much Elena is the Lana Lang of The vampire diaries. Allow me to explain why.
1) She's always right - Even if we the audience know she's wrong in universe everyone apologises to her.
2) Hypocritical beyond words. - Gave katherine grief on playing both brothers, last i checked she's famous for this. Gave klaus grief about killing innocent people so he didn't have to be alone, Yet she was the one who came up with idea to kill kol and entire line of vampires to help jeremy!
3) Everyone who likes her suffers - Look at poor Bon! He mother was made into a vampire to save elena , Bonnie died helping elena + friends. Bonnie's grandma died because Elena needed help with damon + stefan to get in tomb and more. Bonnie her best friend! Geez i hate to see what her enemies go through
4) Everyone who hates her gets horrible ends. - Again from other thread look at Katherine. She inconvenienced elena and was then dragged to hell! Can I point out she was selfish and trying to survive yes BUT not really evil. Every time she killed or hurt someone (or most of the time) it was to survive. Yet people like vampires from tomb who just wanted to kill everyone , Kol , Evil witches and more all pass on. Why? they are not at personal war with elena.
5) The most selfish character yet not said to be. - Just look at the cure thing. Damon kills someone or Katherine did to survive and everyone is like "Selfish!" Yet Elena forces the cure down Katherine to survive no one questions it? Stefan wanted a life , Rebecca wanted a life , Tyler wanted to use it on Klaus so he would no longer be a threat to his life. Yet it's ok as it's Elena? Honestly ask the question if Damon had done the same to survive how would everyone react? I mean even when he's trying to be good he's given crap. Why isn't Elena.
I could go on but honestly she has to be the WORST written character on the show. I was tempted to say "mary-sue" but that is thrown around too much online it's lost all meaning I feel. I know if I lived in TVD world I would AVOID HER AT ALL COSTS. She's like a cancer to everyone's lives, yet unlike cancer they all thank her for it!
Not sure if anyone agrees or if this is an unwritten rule that everyone thinks. What do You think?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 18, 2014 19:48:07 GMT -5
Oh, I'm pretty sure we have an anti-Elena thread...positive in fact. I'll see if I can find it....
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 18, 2014 19:52:22 GMT -5
Oh I found it, but it's in debates and therefore has both sides of the argument, both for and against Elena, so I guess we can keep this here as well for the real anti-Elena talk which is only fair since the guys have their own anti threads...lol
In case you're interested in reading what's been said, here is the link to the thread: tvd1.proboards.com/thread/166/elena |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 19, 2014 13:07:27 GMT -5
Oh. Sorry I didn't see that thread. But at least some seem to be Anti-Elena too. I was worried I might be the only one
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 19, 2014 14:47:22 GMT -5
Oh. Sorry I didn't see that thread. But at least some seem to be Anti-Elena too. I was worried I might be the only one Oh heck no, even I can be anti-Elena at times. I go back and forth on that one. |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 19, 2014 20:29:55 GMT -5
Oh. Sorry I didn't see that thread. But at least some seem to be Anti-Elena too. I was worried I might be the only one Oh heck no, even I can be anti-Elena at times. I go back and forth on that one. Ah thank god for that lol other wise awkward been a pretty new member and angering most of the members |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 19, 2014 21:27:25 GMT -5
Oh heck no, even I can be anti-Elena at times. I go back and forth on that one. Ah thank god for that lol other wise awkward been a pretty new member and angering most of the members Oh no. You can hate whoever you like to...lol That's why we have these anti-boards to begin with. |
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Post by missmystic on Apr 20, 2014 9:17:58 GMT -5
Oh. Sorry I didn't see that thread. But at least some seem to be Anti-Elena too. I was worried I might be the only one Oh heck no, even I can be anti-Elena at times. I go back and forth on that one. Absolutely, I am the same way. Sometimes I love her, and sometimes I want to punch her. I don't think there is any character that I love all of the time. For me, season 1 and 2 Elena was a lot easier to love. She made mistakes sometimes, but for the most part I really appreciated that she was such a genuine person. She was honest, and loyal, and kind, and strong, and she believed in herself and stuck to her convictions. She also had very human weaknesses, which made her relatable. I like those qualities in a female lead. But in season 3 she totally jerked Damon around and treated him pretty badly, and she was WAY too forgiving of Stefan and his murderous rampages. And season 4 Elena was very whiny, which got on my nerves. And she was a worse bitch than Katherine when she flipped her switch. And season 5 so far I pretty much want to punch her in the face just about every episode. She seems to have lost most of her compassionate nature, she can't stick to a decision, she was totally flirting with Stefan when he had lost his memories, which was just downright despicable (not only towards Damon, but towards Stefan too really), and now it seems like she has no convictions or ability to make decisions. She's completely wishy washy. It's making it really difficult to remember why I liked her in the beginning. I hope the writers realize what they are doing and fix it before its too late. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 2, 2014 9:47:39 GMT -5
I found this funny just because of how she puts it, though I don't actually hate Elena (most of the time):
sleepycydney
Decided to start watching The Vampire Diaries, against my better judgment. And there are 2 things that I am genuinely curious about. 1.) How the hell did viewers survive this love triangle for 4 seasons without wanting to burn their television and throw it out the window? I started watching from season 4 and exhausted and annoyed are grave understatements for my emotions at this point. Geezuz I know they are the three main characters but I have never seen a more redundant and mentally exhausting story line ever in my life. I am not on team delena or stelena or whatever, I’m on team Damon and Stefan get a f***ing life that doesn’t revolve around this annoying ass girl. Which brings me to my number 2.) How is it humanly possible for any one to not hate Elena? I didn’t think it was physically possible for me to despise a fictional character as much as I despise Elena cry me a f***ing river Gilbert.
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Post by chrizakathemole on May 2, 2014 19:07:15 GMT -5
LOL that is great
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Post by missmystic on May 5, 2014 10:18:45 GMT -5
Elena is giving me whiplash. Partially because I am simultaneously watching this season alongside old episodes with a friend I am introducing to TVD. So going from old Elena to new Elena is giving me a headache. The more I think about it, and with every new episode this season, she is pissing me off more and more. I'm sick of her blah attitude, her lack of compassion, her lack of forgiveness, her lack of understanding, her lack of comradery with her "friends", and basically everything that made her likeable in the first couple of seasons. I feel like she's not even a main character anymore. She's eye candy, and an excuse for all the other characters to have something to do (protect Elena, fight over Elena, fall in love with Elena, die for Elena, blah blah blah). There were so many times earlier in the series where she stepped up and made an effort to be a hero in her own right, as apposed to just a pawn or a damsel in distress. And I know this is the writing, and the story they are giving her, but it sucks and I'm really tired of it. We need more girl power. Right now the strongest female character is Caroline ... this needs to change.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 15, 2014 10:31:03 GMT -5
Ressurecting this thread for those who are not happy with the current state of Elena...I am trying very hard to find some good in the current situation but the fact that she erased her memories of Damon is really gnawing at me. The fact that Damon told her that he would have never done that, makes me wonder if that will become a breaking point in their relationship and indeed if that was part of the reason he took a step back now. In his mind she made that choice to erase him and be happy without him with the full knowledge of all the things they had shared and I think especially with the rain scene and talking about forever. Her forever didn't last very long. So now he's walking away and letting her live with her choice. He's not being vindictive about it but there are implications there that I think might become a serious issue for Delena down the road. When she did it, I really had an issue with it to because I knew he would never do it. I can't even put together how the Elena that asked him if he could see spending the rest of their lives together could so easily erase all of that. I don't get it! I don't think I will. How could she let grief take away the one thing that mattered so much that she felt that grief? How could she let the pain override the love that she had for him? The stuff she did before they were together is understandable and forgivable and the stuff that happened beyond her control is also forgivable for Damon, but this...this is something else entirely and he might have a problem with it. Damon is an 'all in' kind of guy when it comes to relationships. There is no 'one foot in and one foot out' with him and I think that sort of commitment is important to him.
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Post by missmystic on Nov 15, 2014 11:24:53 GMT -5
Ressurecting this thread for those who are not happy with the current state of Elena...I am trying very hard to find some good in the current situation but the fact that she erased her memories of Damon is really gnawing at me. The fact that Damon told her that he would have never done that, makes me wonder if that will become a breaking point in their relationship and indeed if that was part of the reason he took a step back now. In his mind she made that choice to erase him and be happy without him with the full knowledge of all the things they had shared and I think especially with the rain scene and talking about forever. Her forever didn't last very long. So now he's walking away and letting her live with her choice. He's not being vindictive about it but there are implications there that I think might become a serious issue for Delena down the road. When she did it, I really had an issue with it to because I knew he would never do it. I can't even put together how the Elena that asked him if he could see spending the rest of their lives together could so easily erase all of that. I don't get it! I don't think I will. How could she let grief take away the one thing that mattered so much that she felt that grief? How could she let the pain override the love that she had for him? The stuff she did before they were together is understandable and forgivable and the stuff that happened beyond her control is also forgivable for Damon, but this...this is something else entirely and he might have a problem with it. Damon is an 'all in' kind of guy when it comes to relationships. There is no 'one foot in and one foot out' with him and I think that sort of commitment is important to him. I agree with this. And I'm feeling extremely conflicted about all of this, as evidence by my contradictory posts in several different threads lol. I have never felt this conflicted about TVD before. I don't know, maybe that means they are doing a good job lol. But yeah, there is a big part of me that is really against Elena right now. I do not agree with the mind erase at all. Not one bit. I think it was a horrible thing to do. I would never, EVER do that. I don't know anyone who would. If someone you loved died, then all you have of them is the memories! That's all you will ever have again. And I treasure every single one of those memories! I think what she did was horrible, and yeah, I have been judging her for it since it happened. In my opinion that kind of decision shows a lack of character. She was weak, she chose the easy way out. I was really hoping to see a stronger and more heroic Elena this season. But that decision was neither strong nor heroic. Not even close. But part of that has to do with the way they have been writing her since season 4. Season 1 and season 2 Elena would never have done this. She was a stronger person then than she is now. Which is stupid to me. People's character growth is not supposed to go backwards. I really don't get how they have so completely lost sight of who Elena was at her core in the beginning of this show. I really hope they find a way to write that back in. Because this Elena is not likeable, and she doesn't deserve Damon. I think she needs to make amends for her actions. She needs to beg his forgiveness for what she did. Because I think what she did was terrible. And a huge betrayal. And no matter how I look at it, I can't sympathize with her point of view. She made a mistake. A big one. And she needs to pay for it. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 15, 2014 11:32:41 GMT -5
Ressurecting this thread for those who are not happy with the current state of Elena...I am trying very hard to find some good in the current situation but the fact that she erased her memories of Damon is really gnawing at me. The fact that Damon told her that he would have never done that, makes me wonder if that will become a breaking point in their relationship and indeed if that was part of the reason he took a step back now. In his mind she made that choice to erase him and be happy without him with the full knowledge of all the things they had shared and I think especially with the rain scene and talking about forever. Her forever didn't last very long. So now he's walking away and letting her live with her choice. He's not being vindictive about it but there are implications there that I think might become a serious issue for Delena down the road. When she did it, I really had an issue with it to because I knew he would never do it. I can't even put together how the Elena that asked him if he could see spending the rest of their lives together could so easily erase all of that. I don't get it! I don't think I will. How could she let grief take away the one thing that mattered so much that she felt that grief? How could she let the pain override the love that she had for him? The stuff she did before they were together is understandable and forgivable and the stuff that happened beyond her control is also forgivable for Damon, but this...this is something else entirely and he might have a problem with it. Damon is an 'all in' kind of guy when it comes to relationships. There is no 'one foot in and one foot out' with him and I think that sort of commitment is important to him. I agree with this. And I'm feeling extremely conflicted about all of this, as evidence by my contradictory posts in several different threads lol. I have never felt this conflicted about TVD before. I don't know, maybe that means they are doing a good job lol. But yeah, there is a big part of me that is really against Elena right now. I do not agree with the mind erase at all. Not one bit. I think it was a horrible thing to do. I would never, EVER do that. I don't know anyone who would. If someone you loved died, then all you have of them is the memories! That's all you will ever have again. And I treasure every single one of those memories! I think what she did was horrible, and yeah, I have been judging her for it since it happened. In my opinion that kind of decision shows a lack of character. She was weak, she chose the easy way out. I was really hoping to see a stronger and more heroic Elena this season. But that decision was neither strong nor heroic. Not even close. But part of that has to do with the way they have been writing her since season 4. Season 1 and season 2 Elena would never have done this. She was a stronger person then than she is now. Which is stupid to me. People's character growth is not supposed to go backwards. I really don't get how they have so completely lost sight of who Elena was at her core in the beginning of this show. I really hope they find a way to write that back in. Because this Elena is not likeable, and she doesn't deserve Damon. I think she needs to make amends for her actions. She needs to beg his forgiveness for what she did. Because I think what she did was terrible. And a huge betrayal. And no matter how I look at it, I can't sympathize with her point of view. She made a mistake. A big one. And she needs to pay for it. You know what's awful? Is that we say this every time, that Elena needs to make amends, that Elena needs to be the one to fix this and to go to Damon and make it right and as of yet it has not happened, not even once. She did fight for him some, as I pointed out in the DE thread, but really only about the sirebond and proving her love was 'real' to him. The times she has really failed him far outnumber that, beginning with 3x14 and 3x22 WHEN WE NOW KNOW SHE WAS IN LOVE WITH HIM! I mean, wtf? I really hope her 'love' turns out to be true and not another Stelena affair where she was trying on Damon for size and the moment things got painful she threw her memories away. I mean look who she chooses next? Liam? Any pretty face will do I guess! I just don't know about her sometimes and how emotionally able she is to love Damon and he needs someone who is all in with him. Shallow love is not his thing, that's Stefan! At this point she's going to have to prove to ME that her love is real because I'm not feeling it knowing she threw it all away in 4 months time. They've even put in some parallels that don't bode well for her rash decision, like Damon telling her he'd never...and him telling Stefan it's only been 4 months and therefore no reason to throw away a perfectly good bottle of bourbon...parallel much? Even the name of the episode, "The World has Turned and Left Me Here." That's an awfully forlorn title to an episode. The rest aren't helping either....
Damon's speech is what really got me thinking on this, because he tells her he'd never and then he lies to her about what happened in the rain, something he obviously found to be very precious to him at the time. It's as if he doesn't want her to know because he doesn't want her to spoil it for him, his happy memory...it's all quite sad to me... How can we expect Damon to just be OK with this choice she made? How would any of us feel if that happened to us? The person we loved more than life itself just throws away all good memories of us by choice? It would be devastating. I ragged on Stefan for saying he'd do it and how that meant he didn't love Elena, how shallow it was. Elena doesn't get a pass either. It was just the wrong choice...period. Elena is darn good at making the wrong choices!
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Post by missmystic on Nov 15, 2014 12:01:50 GMT -5
I agree with this. And I'm feeling extremely conflicted about all of this, as evidence by my contradictory posts in several different threads lol. I have never felt this conflicted about TVD before. I don't know, maybe that means they are doing a good job lol. But yeah, there is a big part of me that is really against Elena right now. I do not agree with the mind erase at all. Not one bit. I think it was a horrible thing to do. I would never, EVER do that. I don't know anyone who would. If someone you loved died, then all you have of them is the memories! That's all you will ever have again. And I treasure every single one of those memories! I think what she did was horrible, and yeah, I have been judging her for it since it happened. In my opinion that kind of decision shows a lack of character. She was weak, she chose the easy way out. I was really hoping to see a stronger and more heroic Elena this season. But that decision was neither strong nor heroic. Not even close. But part of that has to do with the way they have been writing her since season 4. Season 1 and season 2 Elena would never have done this. She was a stronger person then than she is now. Which is stupid to me. People's character growth is not supposed to go backwards. I really don't get how they have so completely lost sight of who Elena was at her core in the beginning of this show. I really hope they find a way to write that back in. Because this Elena is not likeable, and she doesn't deserve Damon. I think she needs to make amends for her actions. She needs to beg his forgiveness for what she did. Because I think what she did was terrible. And a huge betrayal. And no matter how I look at it, I can't sympathize with her point of view. She made a mistake. A big one. And she needs to pay for it. You know what's awful? Is that we say this every time, that Elena needs to make amends, that Elena needs to be the one to fix this and to go to Damon and make it right and as of yet it has not happened, not even once. She did fight for him some, as I pointed out in the DE thread, but really only about the sirebond and proving her love was 'real' to him. The times she has really failed him far outnumber that, beginning with 3x14 and 3x22 WHEN WE NOW KNOW SHE WAS IN LOVE WITH HIM! I mean, wtf? I really hope her 'love' turns out to be true and not another Stelena affair where she was trying on Damon for size and the moment things got painful she threw her memories away. I just don't know about her sometimes and how emotionally able she is to love Damon and he needs someone who is all in with him. Shallow love is not his thing, that's Stefan! At this point she's going to have to prove to ME that her love is real because I'm not feeling it knowing she threw it all away in 4 months time. They've even put in some parallels that don't bode well for her rash decision, like Damon telling her he'd never...and him telling Stefan it's only been 4 months and therefore no reason to throw away a perfectly good bottle of bourbon...parallel much? Exactly! I totally agree. She just keeps failing him over and over. Season 1&2 Elena was a person I admired, that was the person I wanted for Damon. This Elena is not that person. I dont' know if I can even want them to be together if she doesn't shape up. You're exactly right, she needs to him and to us that is was a stupid mistake and that if she had it to do over she would never make that same choice again, and show him with all that she is that she loves him, really loves him, unconditionally, the way he deserves. Otherwise, he seriously might need to move on and find someone who deserves the kind of love he has to offer. As you said, he is an all in kind of man. He needs an all in kind of woman. I thought Elena was, and she used to be. But this Elena is a sad and dislikable version, and she doesn't have what it takes right now. She let him down, she betrayed him. She is going to have to make up for that. Make it up to him, and to the fans. |
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