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Post by Slash on Dec 17, 2011 1:09:03 GMT -5
Guest star budget is the reason we didn't get to see more Ghosts. Kelly Hu/Pearl had like a minute and a half of screen time that episode which meant she got whatever that was left over from the budget. So what we're asking for is Elijah, Klaus and Bekah at the same time, + 2 others, + the main gang (Damon, Stefan, Elena, Bonnie, Alaric, Tyler, Caroline, Jeremy, Matt) + possible regular recurring characters popping up (Liz, Carol). Who knows. They're not running a forum anymore so maybe they can squeeze in some people  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 17, 2011 1:19:28 GMT -5
I bet Elena herself undaggers her for some reason, but it kind of goes awry and Damon has to step in the middle to protect her from Rebekah, which against Rebekah is the same as having a death wish, but Rebekah will back off anyway, because there really is a good streak in that girl.
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Post by rberry on Dec 17, 2011 5:09:53 GMT -5
Guest star budget is the reason we didn't get to see more Ghosts. Kelly Hu/Pearl had like a minute and a half of screen time that episode which meant she got whatever that was left over from the budget. So what we're asking for is Elijah, Klaus and Bekah at the same time, + 2 others, + the main gang (Damon, Stefan, Elena, Bonnie, Alaric, Tyler, Caroline, Jeremy, Matt) + possible regular recurring characters popping up (Liz, Carol). Who knows. They're not running a forum anymore so maybe they can squeeze in some people  I wish they could just do an episode on the originals. Just skip the D/S/E stuff for an episode and focus on Klaus/Elijah/Rebekah. I wont even be greedy and ask for the other two. That's probably not a very popular opinion, but I'd love it. |
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Post by Slash on Dec 17, 2011 7:16:54 GMT -5
Guest star budget is the reason we didn't get to see more Ghosts. Kelly Hu/Pearl had like a minute and a half of screen time that episode which meant she got whatever that was left over from the budget. So what we're asking for is Elijah, Klaus and Bekah at the same time, + 2 others, + the main gang (Damon, Stefan, Elena, Bonnie, Alaric, Tyler, Caroline, Jeremy, Matt) + possible regular recurring characters popping up (Liz, Carol). Who knows. They're not running a forum anymore so maybe they can squeeze in some people I wish they could just do an episode on the originals. Just skip the D/S/E stuff for an episode and focus on Klaus/Elijah/Rebekah. I wont even be greedy and ask for the other two. That's probably not a very popular opinion, but I'd love it. I'd love to see that. Either another flashback episode of them setting out on their own after everyone else split or even a present day episode with Elijah and Bekah awake and sitting down with Klaus to talk about where they go from here (they could probably do this in the same episode). But, got to pander to the Damon/Elena/Stefan triangle fans   I'm sure if they did the above, there would be people calling it the worst episode in the series. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 17, 2011 7:49:04 GMT -5
I'd be one of those fans saying it was the worst. I NEED me some Damon every episode, but I do like the story of the originals. I read they were thinking of doing a spinoff, but it was of the vampire hunters. It should be of the originals, I think.
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Post by Slash on Dec 17, 2011 14:19:03 GMT -5
I'd even take a novel series based on the Originals. Maybe a book each from each Original's POV covering their history/falling out before the show even starts.
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Post by rberry on Dec 17, 2011 14:42:38 GMT -5
There could still be a little Damon in the episode, just not as much as usual. I love Damon too, but I'd be willing to limit his scenes for the originals. Overall in terms of the entire series Damon will continue to be a main character. The originals will probably be gone by the end of this season though. I just want to get the most out of their time on TVD. A novel would be a good idea too. Then they wouldn't have to worry about casting costs. They wrote Stefan's Diaries. I don't think another book about the originals is entirely beyond the realm of possibility. In the meantime, I'm going to go try to find a well written fanfiction. Wish me luck, because the only fanfics people write are romance ones |
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Post by thebabe20 on Dec 17, 2011 16:41:35 GMT -5
I don't know how I'd feel about an all Originals episode. I guess I wouldn't mind it too much, if only Damon &Elena made an appearance ;D. If not then Klaus would have to be very heavily featured since he's by far my fave of them all. I like the Originals but with the exception of Klaus I'm not completely blown away by them. I too believe they'll probably be gone by the end of this season unfortunately, with the show's budget. I doubt we'll even get to see Elijah again this season (but who knows, they might surprise us.) I'm thinking Klaus might die by the end of the season though  . Makes me sad to think about it. If the Originals are gone by the end of the season, I wonder what kind of threats the gang will face in future seasons? I struggle to think of a bigger/powerful threat... |
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Post by rberry on Dec 17, 2011 23:17:48 GMT -5
Rebekah has actually become one of my favorite character and by far my favorite original.
I don't think Klaus will die, or any of them. He's too strong and if they do somehow find a way, after other originals (including Mikael) have gone down trying... It probably wont be very believable. The only person I can actually see hurting them at all, is Bonnie... We know what happens to Bonnie when she tries to kill one original, let alone several. IDK. I kinda hope they just let the originals go their own way at the end of the season.
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Post by Slash on Dec 18, 2011 0:19:38 GMT -5
Yeah, hopefully the Originals part ways with MF when this is all said and done. Killing one would take a sacrifice from a Witch *WITH* enough power (Bonnie needed 100 dead Witches) and we know it'll be a lot more for Klaus. So just let them go and possibly have them come back later on (a season or two) to help out the gang or just 'visit'.
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Post by thebabe20 on Dec 18, 2011 0:36:30 GMT -5
I guess I just didn't anticipate the whole teen thing and I guess after the way she was portrayed in the 20's the last thing I expected was for the writers to write her as a "mean girl" cheerleader who wants to take over Caroline's life. I understand given the situation she was put in boredom did come into play, but I guess I wish they didn't have to portray her as bratty as they did. I was expecting something a little more grown up I suppose. I think this is where the writing is just a little too inconsistent for me. As far as the whole situation with Elena, they would have been a fool to just trust that Rebekah would just be on their side and not be even a little bit conflicted about killing her brother whom she clearly loved. Expecting someone to go against what's near and dear to them is not a mistake they could afford to make again. And learning that Klaus killed her mother might of caused her a lot of emotional grief, and might of made her furious, but it certainly didn't mean she'd stop loving her brother, as was shown when she clearly defended him to her father. And as much as Rebekah claimed to want her brother dead, she loves him "blindly and recklessly" as was said, and could have easily ruined the plan if she even had so much of a second thought. I felt bad that she was daggered especially after opening up the way she did, and after hearing her story, but I certainly thought it was necessary. Understandable. In the 20s, she was living the good life with other adults and now present-day, she's in 'teen/brat' mode. I mean, Elijah has this sophistication to him and even Klaus has some class but Bekah is kind of the odd one out with them and it'll be interesting to see how she matches up with the remaining 2 unknowns brought in. Maybe so, but I still put the whole Elijah thing on Elena. And really, the whole thing bugs me. This is obviously a family matter with Klaus & Mikael trying to kill each other and then finding out that either one of them could have been responsible for the Mother's death. I think Elena was in the wrong for taking Bekah out of the equation because she had the tunnel vision of "Stefan, Stefan, Stefan" again and Bekah did have a place in the whole matter (although personal). It just bugs me (like the way Mikael came and went). The Originals would have once again been caught in a civil war with one another and that could have even lead Bekah to waking up the other Originals herself. Klaus would have a war on 3 fronts: - Mikael - Bekah & the Brothers (I doubt they'd side with Mikael) - Mystic Falls Gang Maybe even 4 with whatever the Original Witch is doing/planning. I just still see it as Elena taking a vital playing card off the table. sorry just saw this reply from yesterday. I don't think Elena's wanting the plan to go smoothly was all about Stefan... I think we're forgetting that with Klaus still alive Elena is pretty much his human blood bag for as long as she lives. While I do think getting Stefan's humanity back was part of the deal, I think most importantly was her own freedom from being Klaus's blood supply for his hybrids for the rest of her entire life. At the end of the day I think everyone has their own motivations, and their own priorities. And no one (aside from Damon) was going to put Elena first so she had to do it herself. Mikael who was supposed to be on their side was willing to kill Elena, if it meant taking down Klaus. (But thankfully it was Katherine instead, but he didn't know that) this is what I mean when I say everyone has their motivations and their priorities and everyone is looking out for their own best interest. And Elena would be a fool not to do the same, and blindly put her trust and faith in anyone who might have different motives. Elena is majorly responsible for what happened with Elijah in season 2, but that was the past, and she made a different decision this time around. She chose not to trust someone to go through with killing their own loved one, and while I do sympathize with Rebekah and felt bad that she had to go especially given everything we had learned about her before she was daggered, I still maintain that Elena made the right choice. |
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Post by Slash on Dec 18, 2011 4:39:58 GMT -5
Understandable. In the 20s, she was living the good life with other adults and now present-day, she's in 'teen/brat' mode. I mean, Elijah has this sophistication to him and even Klaus has some class but Bekah is kind of the odd one out with them and it'll be interesting to see how she matches up with the remaining 2 unknowns brought in. Maybe so, but I still put the whole Elijah thing on Elena. And really, the whole thing bugs me. This is obviously a family matter with Klaus & Mikael trying to kill each other and then finding out that either one of them could have been responsible for the Mother's death. I think Elena was in the wrong for taking Bekah out of the equation because she had the tunnel vision of "Stefan, Stefan, Stefan" again and Bekah did have a place in the whole matter (although personal). It just bugs me (like the way Mikael came and went). The Originals would have once again been caught in a civil war with one another and that could have even lead Bekah to waking up the other Originals herself. Klaus would have a war on 3 fronts: - Mikael - Bekah & the Brothers (I doubt they'd side with Mikael) - Mystic Falls Gang Maybe even 4 with whatever the Original Witch is doing/planning. I just still see it as Elena taking a vital playing card off the table. sorry just saw this reply from yesterday. I don't think Elena's wanting the plan to go smoothly was all about Stefan... I think we're forgetting that with Klaus still alive Elena is pretty much his human blood bag for as long as she lives. While I do think getting Stefan's humanity back was part of the deal, I think most importantly was her own freedom from being Klaus's blood supply for his hybrids for the rest of her entire life. At the end of the day I think everyone has their own motivations, and their own priorities. And no one (aside from Damon) was going to put Elena first so she had to do it herself. Mikael who was supposed to be on their side was willing to kill Elena, if it meant taking down Klaus. (But thankfully it was Katherine instead, but he didn't know that) this is what I mean when I say everyone has their motivations and their priorities and everyone is looking out for their own best interest. And Elena would be a fool not to do the same, and blindly put her trust and faith in anyone who might have different motives. Elena is majorly responsible for what happened with Elijah in season 2, but that was the past, and she made a different decision this time around. She chose not to trust someone to go through with killing their own loved one, and while I do sympathize with Rebekah and felt bad that she had to go especially given everything we had learned about her before she was daggered, I still maintain that Elena made the right choice. I'm in the mindset that something could be worked out with Klaus. Sure she'd still have to give blood but they could reach terms where Elena & Co. aren't going to be a pain in his ass every time he comes around and for him to stay out of town/away from their friends/family. Elena gets to live her life in peace (aside from giving blood every few months), and Klaus gets to keep making Hybrids. Just no one ever sits down to 'talk'. As for me saying she was doing it for Stefan, I'm basing that on the extremes she went through early on in the season. Going into the mountains on a full moon to find him when he was with Klaus? Stupid. She was more concerned with getting a glimpse of him over the safety of herself and others (especially when she was supposed to be dead). |
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Post by thebabe20 on Dec 18, 2011 10:42:42 GMT -5
sorry just saw this reply from yesterday. I don't think Elena's wanting the plan to go smoothly was all about Stefan... I think we're forgetting that with Klaus still alive Elena is pretty much his human blood bag for as long as she lives. While I do think getting Stefan's humanity back was part of the deal, I think most importantly was her own freedom from being Klaus's blood supply for his hybrids for the rest of her entire life. At the end of the day I think everyone has their own motivations, and their own priorities. And no one (aside from Damon) was going to put Elena first so she had to do it herself. Mikael who was supposed to be on their side was willing to kill Elena, if it meant taking down Klaus. (But thankfully it was Katherine instead, but he didn't know that) this is what I mean when I say everyone has their motivations and their priorities and everyone is looking out for their own best interest. And Elena would be a fool not to do the same, and blindly put her trust and faith in anyone who might have different motives. Elena is majorly responsible for what happened with Elijah in season 2, but that was the past, and she made a different decision this time around. She chose not to trust someone to go through with killing their own loved one, and while I do sympathize with Rebekah and felt bad that she had to go especially given everything we had learned about her before she was daggered, I still maintain that Elena made the right choice. I'm in the mindset that something could be worked out with Klaus. Sure she'd still have to give blood but they could reach terms where Elena & Co. aren't going to be a pain in his ass every time he comes around and for him to stay out of town/away from their friends/family. Elena gets to live her life in peace (aside from giving blood every few months), and Klaus gets to keep making Hybrids. Just no one ever sits down to 'talk'. As for me saying she was doing it for Stefan, I'm basing that on the extremes she went through early on in the season. Going into the mountains on a full moon to find him when he was with Klaus? Stupid. She was more concerned with getting a glimpse of him over the safety of herself and others (especially when she was supposed to be dead). Why would anyone agree to a deal like that though? And with Klaus of all people? I love Klaus but we all know he plays by his own rules, there's no guarantee that he's going to hold up to his end of any deal. Besides why would she want to work anything out with Klaus when he's done nothing but terrorize her and hurt the people closest to her (he killed her Aunt!)? That doesn't seem very logical considering he could be dead as an alternative. Who wants to donate blood to a hybrid every month or however many weeks, knowing it's going to be used for evil purposes. At the end of the day she would still be a slave to him no matter what. She shouldn't have to give him her blood at all, that's the point. That's her right as a human being, and as long as Klaus is still alive she doesn't have that basic right of living her life without the worry of someone trying to suck the life force out of her. I didn't think Elena's motivations were that hard to understand. She wanted Klaus dead because a) she doesn't want to be used as his blood bag anymore. and b) she wanted Stefan to have his humanity back. Both very valid and reasonable. |
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Post by Slash on Dec 18, 2011 12:30:03 GMT -5
I'm in the mindset that something could be worked out with Klaus. Sure she'd still have to give blood but they could reach terms where Elena & Co. aren't going to be a pain in his ass every time he comes around and for him to stay out of town/away from their friends/family. Elena gets to live her life in peace (aside from giving blood every few months), and Klaus gets to keep making Hybrids. Just no one ever sits down to 'talk'. As for me saying she was doing it for Stefan, I'm basing that on the extremes she went through early on in the season. Going into the mountains on a full moon to find him when he was with Klaus? Stupid. She was more concerned with getting a glimpse of him over the safety of herself and others (especially when she was supposed to be dead). Why would anyone agree to a deal like that though? And with Klaus of all people? I love Klaus but we all know he plays by his own rules, there's no guarantee that he's going to hold up to his end of any deal. Besides why would she want to work anything out with Klaus when he's done nothing but terrorize her and hurt the people closest to her (he killed her Aunt!)? That doesn't seem very logical considering he could be dead as an alternative. Who wants to donate blood to a hybrid every month or however many weeks, knowing it's going to be used for evil purposes. At the end of the day she would still be a slave to him no matter what. She shouldn't have to give him her blood at all, that's the point. That's her right as a human being, and as long as Klaus is still alive she doesn't have that basic right of living her life without the worry of someone trying to suck the life force out of her. I didn't think Elena's motivations were that hard to understand. She wanted Klaus dead because a) she doesn't want to be used as his blood bag anymore. and b) she wanted Stefan to have his humanity back. Both very valid and reasonable. Klaus has shown in some capacity to keep his word. He did with Stefan, who owed him a debt of what, 10 years? He got roughly 3 months out of that and let him go. The alternative of him being 'dead' is, well, they have to find a means to kill an Original Hybrid. If they're constantly going to try to throw stuff at him and see what works, it's going to get ugly after so many tries. And the longer he's sticking around is just offering more opportunity for him to grow fed up/snap and kill someone just because. Her blood being used for evil purposes is kind of...'eh'. Werewolves are forced to turn every month and they have no control whatsoever. Becoming Hybrids, they don't have to turn anymore if they choose not to. They *FINALLY* have control. Granted they end up sired to Klaus and now have to drink blood, but someone like Tyler was fine with it (we don't know how much of this was the 'sired' thing talking though). Imagine an older Wolf who has had to turn for the past 15+ years and has killed countless innocent people over those years, finally being able to put that behind himself cause he's finally got control. Being a 'blood bag' might just be their best way to buy some time to find a means to kill Klaus without him being so close and to take their time without him being a threat with a sort of 'peace treaty' in place via that deal. Lets be honest, I have a stupid, unique way of looking at the entire situation |
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Post by rberry on Dec 18, 2011 13:15:12 GMT -5
Somewhere along the line I just ended up liking the originals more than Elena & Co. and I'd happily sacrifice her for Klaus, Elijah, & Rebekah. This is pretty much what it comes down to for me. I know I'm not supposed to have these feelings towards the main characters, but maybe they shouldn't have wrote such awesome villains.
Other than some moral mumbo jumbo about making monsters, I don't really see what the big deal is if they use Elena's blood. It ensures that Klaus will always keep her alive. Protect her even. It has potential to be a better storyline than simply killing Klaus.
That's just me though. Never have been a very big Elena fan.
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I'm sure if they did the above, there would be people calling it the worst episode in the series.
