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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 12, 2015 9:28:59 GMT -5
Oh my gosh, that was fan-friggen-tastic!!! Seriously. I would LOVE to see what the hater could possibly say to that lol. I'm sure they'd think of something stupid. But yeah. Awesome! This is awesome, and aside from all of the amazing DE moments, I love the last line about providing actual evidence. Because we never get evidence to back up arguments from other ship fandoms and it is so annoying! Yeah, that could have been twice as long, too, with evidence, while the other ships can't come up with a decent argument for why Delena doesn't work or even why their own ship does. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 12, 2015 9:36:40 GMT -5
I have to admit that I kind of dread Bonnie coming back because any time Bonnie looks at Damon or Damon looks at Bonnie there will be 10 gazillion gifs made of it as if they are in lurve. Yeah Damon is so in love with Bonnie that he just slept with Elena...but don't let reality get in the way of your fantasy...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 9:59:22 GMT -5
I have to admit that I kind of dread Bonnie coming back because any time Bonnie looks at Damon or Damon looks at Bonnie there will be 10 gazillion gifs made of it as if they are in lurve. Yeah Damon is so in love with Bonnie that he just slept with Elena...but don't let reality get in the way of your fantasy... You and me both! Even more so when I learned that Jeremy would ultimately be leaving the show, this just leaves more room for fanbaiting Bamon. Even with Jeremy present it already started, addressing the suicide note calling Damon's name first and then as an afterthought Elena. No Jeremy, Caroline, Stefan etc. I almost feel like Elena's name was added just so it wouldn't be solely about Bamon. I know Bonnie did give Jeremy a whole speech to himself but there are still Bamon fans who pick fun at Bonnie not mentioning his name earlier. And then you have them talking about how when Bonnie returns she'll run straight into Damon's arms etc. lol.
Again people just choose to ignore what's canon on the show and see only what they want to see. I'm so glad Dries came out and stated how Bamon wouldn't be happening or I'd be dreading OOC writing coming into play to make Bamon come off more than it actually was shown to be.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 12, 2015 10:08:26 GMT -5
I have to admit that I kind of dread Bonnie coming back because any time Bonnie looks at Damon or Damon looks at Bonnie there will be 10 gazillion gifs made of it as if they are in lurve. Yeah Damon is so in love with Bonnie that he just slept with Elena...but don't let reality get in the way of your fantasy... You and me both! Even more so when I learned that Jeremy would ultimately be leaving the show, this just leaves more room for fanbaiting Bamon. Even with Jeremy present it already started, addressing the suicide note calling Damon's name first and then as an afterthought Elena. No Jeremy, Caroline, Stefan etc. I almost feel like Elena's name was added just so it wouldn't be solely about Bamon. I know Bonnie did give Jeremy a whole speech to himself but there are still Bamon fans who pick fun at Bonnie not mentioning his name earlier. And then you have them talking about how when Bonnie returns she'll run straight into Damon's arms etc. lol.
Again people just choose to ignore what's canon on the show and see only what they want to see. I'm so glad Dries came out and stated how Bamon wouldn't be happening or I'd be dreading OOC writing coming into play to make Bamon come off more than it actually was shown to be.
I really think they never intended to do much with Bamon but give a little fan service in the 'prison world' and that is all that it will ever be. Once she is back it will go back to life as usual with Bonnie showing up to do magic when they need her and right now they don't even really need her with Liv and Kai and Jo around. |
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Post by missmystic on Feb 12, 2015 11:00:42 GMT -5
Also the writers would have a bit of explaining to do if they went back on their word of no supes death since John Gilbert had his ring and he would have been brought back. Though they could have him in hiding or something if they wanted his person present time I suppose. I haven't been able to watch the clip yet, but are we talking about John Gilbert or Grayson Gilbert? Did Grayson have his ring on when the car went over the bridge? I don't know if they ever mentioned that or not. I know John got the ring eventually somehow, because he was wearing it when he showed up in town. I'm pretty sure it should have been left to Jeremy, not John. But if it was left to Jeremy, how did John get it? John had given his ring to Isabel, who gave it to Alaric. But somehow John had Grayson's ring, which should have gone to Jeremy when he died. Maybe I'm reading too much into this lol, but maybe there is a mystery as to how John got Grayson's ring and why? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 11:20:08 GMT -5
Also the writers would have a bit of explaining to do if they went back on their word of no supes death since John Gilbert had his ring and he would have been brought back. Though they could have him in hiding or something if they wanted his person present time I suppose. I haven't been able to watch the clip yet, but are we talking about John Gilbert or Grayson Gilbert? Did Grayson have his ring on when the car went over the bridge? I don't know if they ever mentioned that or not. I know John got the ring eventually somehow, because he was wearing it when he showed up in town. I'm pretty sure it should have been left to Jeremy, not John. But if it was left to Jeremy, how did John get it? John had given his ring to Isabel, who gave it to Alaric. But somehow John had Grayson's ring, which should have gone to Jeremy when he died. Maybe I'm reading too much into this lol, but maybe there is a mystery as to how John got Grayson's ring and why? Oops I goofed by typing John Gilbert's name lol. I meant to say Grayson haha. I think the previous seasons did cover John having the ring and him eventually giving it to Jeremy but it's been so long I kinda forgot what transpired.
Learning that Grayson was involved in the supernatural world and was aware of it, I just assumed he always had his ring on him. I'm at least hoping he did at that moment as I don't want the writers to get some leeway to claim that the death was supernatural. Though we were promised it wasn't but you know the writers lol.
But one thing I don't get is like let's say someone supernatural was standing in the road and the car veered off and fell off the bridge. Would that count as a supernatural death?
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Post by missmystic on Feb 12, 2015 11:46:32 GMT -5
I haven't been able to watch the clip yet, but are we talking about John Gilbert or Grayson Gilbert? Did Grayson have his ring on when the car went over the bridge? I don't know if they ever mentioned that or not. I know John got the ring eventually somehow, because he was wearing it when he showed up in town. I'm pretty sure it should have been left to Jeremy, not John. But if it was left to Jeremy, how did John get it? John had given his ring to Isabel, who gave it to Alaric. But somehow John had Grayson's ring, which should have gone to Jeremy when he died. Maybe I'm reading too much into this lol, but maybe there is a mystery as to how John got Grayson's ring and why? Oops I goofed by typing John Gilbert's name lol. I meant to say Grayson haha. I think the previous seasons did cover John having the ring and him eventually giving it to Jeremy but it's been so long I kinda forgot what transpired.
Learning that Grayson was involved in the supernatural world and was aware of it, I just assumed he always had his ring on him. I'm at least hoping he did at that moment as I don't want the writers to get some leeway to claim that the death was supernatural. Though we were promised it wasn't but you know the writers lol.
But one thing I don't get is like let's say someone supernatural was standing in the road and the car veered off and fell off the bridge. Would that count as a supernatural death?
haha I've never been able to get a handle on those rules either! I mean, I THINK it would be a supernatural death. They did that once before with Alaric, didn't they? Like he got hit by a car that a vampire was driving or something like that? I forget now, but it vaguely sounds familiar. But also, if someone cause the crash, why didn't Elena remember seeing anything? and Stefan was there too, shouldn't he have seen something? I don't know, its weird. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 12:14:06 GMT -5
Oops I goofed by typing John Gilbert's name lol. I meant to say Grayson haha. I think the previous seasons did cover John having the ring and him eventually giving it to Jeremy but it's been so long I kinda forgot what transpired.
Learning that Grayson was involved in the supernatural world and was aware of it, I just assumed he always had his ring on him. I'm at least hoping he did at that moment as I don't want the writers to get some leeway to claim that the death was supernatural. Though we were promised it wasn't but you know the writers lol.
But one thing I don't get is like let's say someone supernatural was standing in the road and the car veered off and fell off the bridge. Would that count as a supernatural death?
haha I've never been able to get a handle on those rules either! I mean, I THINK it would be a supernatural death. They did that once before with Alaric, didn't they? Like he got hit by a car that a vampire was driving or something like that? I forget now, but it vaguely sounds familiar. But also, if someone cause the crash, why didn't Elena remember seeing anything? and Stefan was there too, shouldn't he have seen something? I don't know, its weird. Oh right Alaric and that Hybrid in the car! Haha not to laugh but that was just a bit over the top. I still don't get as you mentioned the rules work. How is the ring self aware and registers if a supe is driving the car or not? That's a bit weird. Jeremy was the one compelled to go in the road so if that had happened to Alaric I would understand, but he just saw Jeremy and ran in front of the car.
And to add on to your second part we really have been getting bare bones in regards to what happened at that accident. The flashback in 3x22 shows the car already under water and Stefan swimming around looking for survivors. While Elena can likely having an excuse to perhaps the car suddenly veering off and her not really getting a good look (on her phone etc.) I don't see how Stefan wouldn't know what happened. He had to see the car veer off to know that someone was done there and needed saying in the first place.
Though with these writers you never know. They may have Stefan have another 'secret' or have Elena 'suddenly recall' something as a clue to help solve the case.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 12, 2015 12:14:06 GMT -5
I don't think the cause of death was supernatural but they were leaving town apparently. In the clip it's mentioned that they had luggage in the trunk. Were they trying to flee because someone figured out Elena was a doppelganger and came or was coming after them?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 12, 2015 12:20:55 GMT -5
Speaking of Stefan the liar, we know he had been there for months observing Elena. What if it was all a lie about seeing the car go off the bridge and he just 'happened' to be there to save her. What if Stefan already knew her parents were trying to take her out of town and since he set his sights on her he tried to stop them? I'm sure they wouldn't destroy their hero like that but I could totally see that scenario being a possibility. Stefan who always came off as the good brother, we know he really isn't and some of his secrets are going to be coming out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 12:40:04 GMT -5
I don't think the cause of death was supernatural but they were leaving town apparently. In the clip it's mentioned that they had luggage in the trunk. Were they trying to flee because someone figured out Elena was a doppelganger and came or was coming after them? I can see that even more so with Grayson's double life in the supernatural if we think back to the flashback with little Elena hearing the sounds in the room before Grayson stopped her. It wouldn't be surprising to think that Grayson had enemies supernatural and maybe even humans who were pestering him about his research and whatnot. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 12:45:05 GMT -5
Speaking of Stefan the liar, we know he had been there for months observing Elena. What if it was all a lie about seeing the car go off the bridge and he just 'happened' to be there to save her. What if Stefan already knew her parents were trying to take her out of town and since he set his sights on her he tried to stop them? I'm sure they wouldn't destroy their hero like that but I could totally see that scenario being a possibility. Stefan who always came off as the good brother, we know he really isn't and some of his secrets are going to be coming out. I'll be ready for the finale nail in that Stelena coffin lol. But yeah it'd be odd if Stefan doesn't have some knowledge or isn't active in this arc with the investigation considering he was the one who found the car in the first place. Though I have a feeling the writers likely won't have either brother involved since that's a pretty detrimental secret to have been keeping silent all this time after so long. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 12, 2015 12:50:53 GMT -5
Speaking of Stefan the liar, we know he had been there for months observing Elena. What if it was all a lie about seeing the car go off the bridge and he just 'happened' to be there to save her. What if Stefan already knew her parents were trying to take her out of town and since he set his sights on her he tried to stop them? I'm sure they wouldn't destroy their hero like that but I could totally see that scenario being a possibility. Stefan who always came off as the good brother, we know he really isn't and some of his secrets are going to be coming out. I'll be ready for the finale nail in that Stelena coffin lol. But yeah it'd be odd if Stefan doesn't have some knowledge or isn't active in this arc with the investigation considering he was the one who found the car in the first place. Though I have a feeling the writers likely won't have either brother involved since that's a pretty detrimental secret to have been keeping silent all this time after so long. Well it really looks like it isn't Damon from that clip as he doesn't seem shifty about it at all and he isn't really all that great a liar, unlike Stefan... |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 12, 2015 13:03:57 GMT -5
So from the books...I didn't read this part or don't remember it because it was probably written by the ghost writer, but I found this:
I think she stayed late at a party she wasn't supposed to, and that's why her parents were coming to get her (guilt) and then she saw the glint of a guardian out her window and distracted her parents or something... I guess I'm fuzzy on the details trying to piece it together now, but I'm pretty sure it was a guardian.
For those who haven't read the books... they're really really different, and the 'guardians' are basically like judicious angels that are pretty powerful yet do pretty much nothing of interest or use...
Yepp, she was supposed to die because it was her "destiny" to become a guardian or something and her parents were an accident.
What if this 'Lily' is something of that nature? I mean I kind of hope they don't go the 'angel wings' route with the tv show but who knows... What if Elena distracted her parents by saying, "Hey Look there's someone there," or something and then 'forgot' due to survivor guilt...it couldn't be compulsion because she would have remembered when she turned.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 12, 2015 13:20:14 GMT -5
Yeah so upon further reading, in the books Elena is half angel/half human and eventually half vampire so her destiny was to become a ruling angel in that world. However there was no doppelganger storyline so I'm not sure they would ever go there. Some accounts say Katherine distracted her parents so they crashed and others say the celestial court (the angels) saved Elena so she could become one of them...so I don't know which story is correct. I don't recall the story at all in the books I read.
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