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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 17, 2017 15:33:57 GMT -5
I blame KW for the disappointing finale, and I also blame Ian, who isn't a very good actor if he can't put his personal problems aside, get into character, and gives viewers the finale that they deserved. It was easy to tell Ian was not happy that Nina returned. He made that clear in interviews as well. I guess now that Ian is married, he can't do romantic lead anymore. Well I hate to say it but I don't think he's going to be making much money peddling his 'green' stuff but he's been saying he's done with acting. I guess we'll see. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 15:43:14 GMT -5
I blame KW for the disappointing finale, and I also blame Ian, who isn't a very good actor if he can't put his personal problems aside, get into character, and gives viewers the finale that they deserved. It was easy to tell Ian was not happy that Nina returned. He made that clear in interviews as well. I guess now that Ian is married, he can't do romantic lead anymore. Well I hate to say it but I don't think he's going to be making much money peddling his 'green' stuff but he's been saying he's done with acting. I guess we'll see. Quite a surprise to hear he's done with acting. I'm not sure what would prompt him to stop acting entirely given that he has been acting in movies/shows well before TVD. And it wouldn't be as if the situation with Nian would be able to happen again since during that time he was free and single, now he's married, so there shouldn't be any issues aside from just flat out not wanting to do anything romantic with any other actors. Although I guess we'll see in time what Ian decides to do, I think it was mentioned he started off modeling first so him slipping back into that wouldn't be much of a stretch. Still its odd to stop at what could be the height of your career given his age. You'd think he'd want to continue climbing the acting ladder since the way he played Damon is nothing to sneeze at. |
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Post by vampirelust on Mar 17, 2017 15:56:59 GMT -5
ritzWell yeah, Ian has said some petty and mean things about DE probably due to some unresolved bitterness he feels towards Nina but I don't blame him for the finale and I think he acted well throughout (Cant't say the same about Nina unfortunately, I thought she had an awful last outing as both Elena and Katherine) I blame the direction and the storytelling. DE was bittersweet in the sense their happiness was tinged by Stefan's death. Damon lost his brother and he lost him because Stefan sacrificed his life to save him and the town from Katherine so I have no problem with the way Ian delivered Damon's reaction at seeing Elena again, none. It was the perfect blend of profound sadness mixed with joy that was all over his face when he saw Elena then he was running into her arms. Contrast that with the fake DE reunion and it's obvious that's how the scene was directed. Not Ian's fault IMO. I believe they probably filmed more scenes that didn't make the cut. That again is not the fault of the actor so yeah like you I blame KW and JP.
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Post by vampirelust on Mar 17, 2017 16:03:12 GMT -5
Well I hate to say it but I don't think he's going to be making much money peddling his 'green' stuff but he's been saying he's done with acting. I guess we'll see. Quite a surprise to hear he's done with acting. I'm not sure what would prompt him to stop acting entirely given that he has been acting in movies/shows well before TVD. And it wouldn't be as if the situation with Nian would be able to happen again since during that time he was free and single, now he's married, so there shouldn't be any issues aside from just flat out not wanting to do anything romantic with any other actors. Although I guess we'll see in time what Ian decides to do, I think it was mentioned he started off modeling first so him slipping back into that wouldn't be much of a stretch. Still its odd to stop at what could be the height of your career given his age. You'd think he'd want to continue climbing the acting ladder since the way he played Damon is nothing to sneeze at. I'm surprised too. Ian's biggest asset is his face. His fans will dwindle if they don't get to see him in front of the camera. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 17, 2017 16:42:13 GMT -5
Something Ian said recently, but you never know, once he gets a break for a while things could change but that really was a long stretch to be on a TV series which is said to be the most hectic acting lifestyle possible:
"In 10 years I'm going to be living probably on a ranch in Wyoming and you'll never hear from me again, " Ian Somerhalder who once dated Nina Dobrev in real-life shared in an interview.
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Post by ritz on Mar 17, 2017 18:32:28 GMT -5
Something Ian said recently, but you never know, once he gets a break for a while things could change but that really was a long stretch to be on a TV series which is said to be the most hectic acting lifestyle possible: "In 10 years I'm going to be living probably on a ranch in Wyoming and you'll never hear from me again, " Ian Somerhalder who once dated Nina Dobrev in real-life shared in an interview. That's fine by me, and Wyoming is a beautiful state. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 19:15:18 GMT -5
ritz Well yeah, Ian has said some petty and mean things about DE probably due to some unresolved bitterness he feels towards Nina but I don't blame him for the finale and I think he acted well throughout (Cant't say the same about Nina unfortunately, I thought she had an awful last outing as both Elena and Katherine) I blame the direction and the storytelling. DE was bittersweet in the sense their happiness was tinged by Stefan's death. Damon lost his brother and he lost him because Stefan sacrificed his life to save him and the town from Katherine so I have no problem with the way Ian delivered Damon's reaction at seeing Elena again, none. It was the perfect blend of profound sadness mixed with joy that was all over his face when he saw Elena then he was running into her arms. Contrast that with the fake DE reunion and it's obvious that's how the scene was directed. Not Ian's fault IMO. I believe they probably filmed more scenes that didn't make the cut. That again is not the fault of the actor so yeah like you I blame KW and JP. I wish Damon and Elena actually had speaking scenes to better express this. And I can see it making sense for that scene at least. The other two scenes that Ian had with Nina where he had to look at her and smile, it always came off awkward as if he couldn't smile properly at her. It seems telling that DE only held hands and had one kiss where it looks as if Ian is kissing Nina's chin and not her lips. I can't help but to think the awkwardness reached it's all time high from being separated from interacting with her for so long and bashing Delena/Elena. He didn't even want her to come back and he kept this attitude up till the airing of the finale. So I guess I should have figured that DE wouldn't be anything but awkward. I know we can pretty much state reasons for Damon's smiles, like the one where he disappears, his smile could be of uncertainty of not knowing if he'd ever see Stefan again. But it feels like we could only do so much with making up reasons to why Damon looked the way he does when he watches Elena, instead of thinking it just has to do with Nian awkwardness. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 18, 2017 2:57:21 GMT -5
ritz Well yeah, Ian has said some petty and mean things about DE probably due to some unresolved bitterness he feels towards Nina but I don't blame him for the finale and I think he acted well throughout (Cant't say the same about Nina unfortunately, I thought she had an awful last outing as both Elena and Katherine) I blame the direction and the storytelling. DE was bittersweet in the sense their happiness was tinged by Stefan's death. Damon lost his brother and he lost him because Stefan sacrificed his life to save him and the town from Katherine so I have no problem with the way Ian delivered Damon's reaction at seeing Elena again, none. It was the perfect blend of profound sadness mixed with joy that was all over his face when he saw Elena then he was running into her arms. Contrast that with the fake DE reunion and it's obvious that's how the scene was directed. Not Ian's fault IMO. I believe they probably filmed more scenes that didn't make the cut. That again is not the fault of the actor so yeah like you I blame KW and JP. I wish Damon and Elena actually had speaking scenes to better express this. And I can see it making sense for that scene at least. The other two scenes that Ian had with Nina where he had to look at her and smile, it always came off awkward as if he couldn't smile properly at her. It seems telling that DE only held hands and had one kiss where it looks as if Ian is kissing Nina's chin and not her lips. I can't help but to think the awkwardness reached it's all time high from being separated from interacting with her for so long and bashing Delena/Elena. He didn't even want her to come back and he kept this attitude up till the airing of the finale. So I guess I should have figured that DE wouldn't be anything but awkward. I know we can pretty much state reasons for Damon's smiles, like the one where he disappears, his smile could be of uncertainty of not knowing if he'd ever see Stefan again. But it feels like we could only do so much with making up reasons to why Damon looked the way he does when he watches Elena, instead of thinking it just has to do with Nian awkwardness. That's part of the problem of how they did this. As I said before we knew the ending but had the spoilers, Damon would never be able to be happy without his brother. He'd always feel like he was unworthy of being happy knowing his brother died for him and that's why I didn't want it to end that way and it did. That whole thing put a damper on the happiness that DE could have had and for that it sucks. Go figure Stefan would ruin things by trying to make his brother happy. There's just no way Damon could have ever been happy with how this played out. I just feel like we got so ripped off not being able to see more and I hate it. I'll never be happy with how this ended. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 7:33:33 GMT -5
I wish Damon and Elena actually had speaking scenes to better express this. And I can see it making sense for that scene at least. The other two scenes that Ian had with Nina where he had to look at her and smile, it always came off awkward as if he couldn't smile properly at her. It seems telling that DE only held hands and had one kiss where it looks as if Ian is kissing Nina's chin and not her lips. I can't help but to think the awkwardness reached it's all time high from being separated from interacting with her for so long and bashing Delena/Elena. He didn't even want her to come back and he kept this attitude up till the airing of the finale. So I guess I should have figured that DE wouldn't be anything but awkward. I know we can pretty much state reasons for Damon's smiles, like the one where he disappears, his smile could be of uncertainty of not knowing if he'd ever see Stefan again. But it feels like we could only do so much with making up reasons to why Damon looked the way he does when he watches Elena, instead of thinking it just has to do with Nian awkwardness. That's part of the problem of how they did this. As I said before we knew the ending but had the spoilers, Damon would never be able to be happy without his brother. He'd always feel like he was unworthy of being happy knowing his brother died for him and that's why I didn't want it to end that way and it did. That whole thing put a damper on the happiness that DE could have had and for that it sucks. Go figure Stefan would ruin things by trying to make his brother happy. There's just no way Damon could have ever been happy with how this played out. I just feel like we got so ripped off not being able to see more and I hate it. I'll never be happy with how this ended. No dialogue between DE is also a major problem. Does Damon even know why Stefan did this? As far as he's concerned, Stefan just jumped in the way because of hero hair shenanigans. Damon might as well be a vampire in the end, he has no reactions to being a human and just acts the same. Had DE had a convo about Stefan's sacrifice, Damon expressing his guilt, Elena telling him what Stefan said etc. and the two dealing with his sacrifice, Damon living the human life that Stefan granted him, with the hope to see Stefan in the afterlife, that would have made things a bit more coherent since they went with the whole, 'after our happy life together' which seems to state despite Stefan's death as we know Damon promises to Elena eventually, he rebuilds the Gilbert House and lives with Elena there. Which we didn't see, but that seems to show after the initial shock over Stefan's sacrifice, Damon starts building his human life with Elena. They could have had Damon not be with Elena on the spot, if they were going for that big of an impact on Damon feeling guilty to be happy when Stefan died for him, then I could see how Stefan's death had an effect on DE's outcome. The main problems just seem to stem from DE not talking, brushing over important topics like Stefan's sacrifice, Damon being human, the future of their relationship etc. and happy life being skipped completely. They could easily blend in Damon's concern with never seeing Stefan again in the midst of his life with Elena, it doesn't have to be something completely brushed over for just happy bliss. Of course this would call for DE to not be sidelined as it was for the buildup to the afterlife to work and leave a bigger impact on me, I'd appreciate the peace ending with Defan being reunited had it been written in such a way. |
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Post by ritz on Mar 18, 2017 8:41:43 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, the show ended 6x22 before the wedding massacre happenened. I actually wish said could UNWATCH the finale, and I'll certainly never watch it again. The final voiceover when Elena said that Stefan made her want to live again and that she owes overything to him was a TOTAL and COMPLETE retcon, but I wasn't surprised. I had a feeling something like that was coming by the way the finale was being promoted, and btw time the pre-show was over I was certain. It was waaaaaay to DE focused. It was ridiculous. When you think about it, SE was pretty much just a plot point long forgotten. They were just another couple. There was no reason for the finale and the hour preshow to focus so much in SE other than to retcon there relationship's relevance. Also, the final and the finale episodes in general were entirely too Stefan focused. The writing made Damon seem like a supporting character to Stefan's story. I totally blame KW's involvement, but there is also a chance that Ian was pouting and pitching a fit about Nina's return and was therefore made to take a backseat. Anyway, Doppel, I will forever be disappointed I. The finale too and will do my best to forget it. When I rewatch scenes, I'll skip season 7 and Season 8 entirely. I didn't watch any of season 7 anyway except for when Damon was lured into the vault, and Season 8 was pretty forgettable as well.
How would you guys rank the seasons?
I think I'd say 3, 4, 2, 1, 6, 5, 8, 7, but maybe 2 before 4, I'd have to rewatch, and I do remember that season 3 really dragged after episode 3x14. I wanted to punch wishy-washy Elena for awhile so maybe it shouldn't be ranked first. Lol. It's too hard. I can't rank them, but definitely 1-4 before 5-8. I'd take 4x23 as the finale except I HATE Elena's line, " out of all the choices I've made this will prove to be the worst one" it made no sense for Elena to say that. The writers were always giving with one hand and taking with the other.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 18, 2017 10:33:20 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, the show ended 6x22 before the wedding massacre happenened. I actually wish said could UNWATCH the finale, and I'll certainly never watch it again. The final voiceover when Elena said that Stefan made her want to live again and that she owes overything to him was a TOTAL and COMPLETE retcon, but I wasn't surprised. I had a feeling something like that was coming by the way the finale was being promoted, and btw time the pre-show was over I was certain. It was waaaaaay to DE focused. It was ridiculous. When you think about it, SE was pretty much just a plot point long forgotten. They were just another couple. There was no reason for the finale and the hour preshow to focus so much in SE other than to retcon there relationship's relevance. Also, the final and the finale episodes in general were entirely too Stefan focused. The writing made Damon seem like a supporting character to Stefan's story. I totally blame KW's involvement, but there is also a chance that Ian was pouting and pitching a fit about Nina's return and was therefore made to take a backseat. Anyway, Doppel, I will forever be disappointed I. The finale too and will do my best to forget it. When I rewatch scenes, I'll skip season 7 and Season 8 entirely. I didn't watch any of season 7 anyway except for when Damon was lured into the vault, and Season 8 was pretty forgettable as well. How would you guys rank the seasons? I think I'd say 3, 4, 2, 1, 6, 5, 8, 7, but maybe 2 before 4, I'd have to rewatch, and I do remember that season 3 really dragged after episode 3x14. I wanted to punch wishy-washy Elena for awhile so maybe it shouldn't be ranked first. Lol. It's too hard. I can't rank them, but definitely 1-4 before 5-8. I'd take 4x23 as the finale except I HATE Elena's line, " out of all the choices I've made this will prove to be the worst one" it made no sense for Elena to say that. The writers were always giving with one hand and taking with the other. The problem for me is that none of the seasons really made me all that happy when I think back of it as a whole. Season 3 annoyed the heck out of me at 3x14 and beyond. SE never earned the place of importance that the writers wound up giving it either. Stefan sucked as a character. Maybe if he had been different I would have bought it or felt it was earned but not with the Stefan we got. There were really only parts of seasons that I liked and the only untarnished ones would be season 1 and 2 that didn't disappoint me in big ways. After that they were so busy trying to keep SE alive in ludicrous ways that it was just off putting. Giving us crumbs was pretty much the entire story of DE, unfortunately, as it turns out. We never did get our big pay off and if I knew how it all would end I wouldn't have spent all that time involved with watching the show. It makes me sad to have to say that because with a little more effort and emphasis on DE instead of trying to keep a dead SE alive, it could have been great. It just feels completely bitter and biased toward SE as if they grudgingly gave us our end game but their heart wasn't in it at all. That changes it from a really exciting ending to a crappy one for me. It wasn't only about DE getting the HEA. It was the journey getting there, and the journey sucks that she spent two seasons in a box only to never see a bit of their life after. Where was the payoff for all that lost time? We never got it. To make things worse they go around giving interviews about how they would have put SE back together if they'd had time. That would have been the worst thing they could have ever done to the character of Elena. Her choice for Damon was never one she took lightly so why in the hell would she ever go back to Stefan who treated her like crap by her own admission? It's nonsense! I get that they wanted to try to please all the fanbases but by doing that they pleased none. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 15:43:58 GMT -5
Speaking in hindsight now, but I really do think Nina saved the DE ending by leaving. With her gone, that saved the inevitable chance of having her character be retconned to go back to Stefan. And it wouldn't necessarily have anything to do with logical development or common sense or anything like that. Ian hates Nina, he doesn't want to act with her. So I think that'd bleed over into the show and they'd jump ship to get away from the awkward DE nonsense and split the actors to where they're more comfortable with acting with other people. For Elena, I doubt it'd be a random Joe, Stefan would be the only choice. The show lives and breathes retcons, this wouldn't be any different.
So I do believe there's truth to what JP said about going back to SE, if Nina had stuck around. Of course I see no point in her saying this after the fact though. She could have killed Damon, or have Damon feel so guild ridden over Stefan's death that he rejects spending a life with Elena, or just have DE break up and feel its better to go their separate ways in the finale if she wanted, but she didn't. She gave them the hea ending and she continued to speak of that life when questioned about it. At this point it's just a bone to SEs, which is annoying, but its pretty much just words since the reality of the situation is, Nina left, came back, DE is endgame and lived their lives together regardless of what JP/KW spouts could have happened.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 15:54:44 GMT -5
Another reason why I'd believe it, that I forgot to mention, is that the reason we got all the Bamon fanservice in the first place is JP mentioning how much Kat and Ian wanted to work together (of course we also know this is post Nian breakup where he was actively bashing Delena as a bad relationship and wanting Damon to get with Bonnie, and promoting Bamon). Bamon got a superficial rushed and undeveloped friendship but was treated as the most earned and besties friendship in the show despite it not having any of the logical development. So things like that (actor influence/fanservice, retcons in the relationships, or rushed relationships) shows that it would have been very possible for Stelena to be a thing again.
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Post by missmystic on Mar 23, 2017 15:52:27 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, the show ended 6x22 before the wedding massacre happenened. I actually wish said could UNWATCH the finale, and I'll certainly never watch it again. The final voiceover when Elena said that Stefan made her want to live again and that she owes overything to him was a TOTAL and COMPLETE retcon, but I wasn't surprised. I had a feeling something like that was coming by the way the finale was being promoted, and btw time the pre-show was over I was certain. It was waaaaaay to DE focused. It was ridiculous. When you think about it, SE was pretty much just a plot point long forgotten. They were just another couple. There was no reason for the finale and the hour preshow to focus so much in SE other than to retcon there relationship's relevance. Also, the final and the finale episodes in general were entirely too Stefan focused. The writing made Damon seem like a supporting character to Stefan's story. I totally blame KW's involvement, but there is also a chance that Ian was pouting and pitching a fit about Nina's return and was therefore made to take a backseat. Anyway, Doppel, I will forever be disappointed I. The finale too and will do my best to forget it. When I rewatch scenes, I'll skip season 7 and Season 8 entirely. I didn't watch any of season 7 anyway except for when Damon was lured into the vault, and Season 8 was pretty forgettable as well. How would you guys rank the seasons?I think I'd say 3, 4, 2, 1, 6, 5, 8, 7, but maybe 2 before 4, I'd have to rewatch, and I do remember that season 3 really dragged after episode 3x14. I wanted to punch wishy-washy Elena for awhile so maybe it shouldn't be ranked first. Lol. It's too hard. I can't rank them, but definitely 1-4 before 5-8. I'd take 4x23 as the finale except I HATE Elena's line, " out of all the choices I've made this will prove to be the worst one" it made no sense for Elena to say that. The writers were always giving with one hand and taking with the other.
Fun thought! So my ranking would be ... from best to worst:
2 1 4 3 6 5 7 8
Season 2 is definitely my favorite. Just all around. The writing, the plot twists, the character development, the DE tension, the mythology. It was all so fantastic. It's sad to think that they peaked in season 2 lol, but they really did. I still loved season 3 and season 4, don't get me wrong. But nothing ever as much as season 2. However, the season 4 finale will always be my favorite. And in the years to come, I doubt I will ever rewatch past season 4.
I did also love the end of season 5 though, with Elena finally jumping in with both feet and declaring her undying love. That was worth something for sure. Same with some of the moments in season 6. But there were so many horrible things too. And the writing for the plot and character development went downhill so much in comparison to the first 4 seasons. And it just never recovered, IMO.
And as far as I'm concerned, this last season was the worst. And the worst finale. Although the season 7 finale was pretty bad too lol. Ugh.
Oh well, like I said, I'm just going to live happily in my seasons 1-4 world lol.
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i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
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i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
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