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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 11, 2017 8:55:05 GMT -5
Great so now they're telling us the rest of the story? Why not actually have shown it to us? Ugh, this just goes back to the proposal that was cut. Showing these scenes, even in a montage would have been the difference between satisfying and lackluster. I mean it's almost as if they knew to expect people to not feel that satisfied with the scraps as there was an instant interview waiting for us as soon as the show ended. The DE endgame sounds like a great one (even JP's joke about Damon and Elena doing a barbecue in an hour would have been nice) we just didn't get to see it. Having a final scene after Damon/Elena visit their family and seeing them run off playfully as Damon grabs her in a hug from behind as a bright light faded would have been so nice. Their priorities were dumb. I kind of wish they'd pull those scenes out and give them to us in a special or something but that's just wishful thinking I'm sure. We're never gonna know what could have been. |
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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2017 8:57:08 GMT -5
Great so now they're telling us the rest of the story? Why not actually have shown it to us? WTF? Where were the scenes showing this to the viewers? |
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Post by b1beloty on Mar 11, 2017 8:58:48 GMT -5
Great so now they're telling us the rest of the story? Why not actually have shown it to us? Ugh, this just goes back to the proposal that was cut. Showing these scenes, even in a montage would have been the difference between satisfying and lackluster. I mean it's almost as if they knew to expect people to not feel that satisfied with the scraps as there was an instant interview waiting for us as soon as the show ended. The DE endgame sounds like a great one (even JP's joke about Damon and Elena doing a barbecue in an hour would have been nice) we just didn't get to see it. Having a final scene after Damon/Elena visit their family and seeing them run off playfully as Damon grabs her in a hug from behind as a bright light faded would have been so nice. Their priorities were dumb. yes, we basically GOT everything, but the execution of this everything was just awful (IMHO partly because of IS, partly because JP) there's some consolation in the fact that we still got the best of them all. DE is still the only romantic endgame in the show, even if crappy executed one. I would be pretty ok with the ending (because TBH we already got A LOT of great scene before - sth a la aengagement, a la wedding etc.) If they add one last scene in the very end, with Damon and Stefan joining Elena in Gilbert hous. So nothing was left to interpretation. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 11, 2017 9:21:58 GMT -5
Ugh, this just goes back to the proposal that was cut. Showing these scenes, even in a montage would have been the difference between satisfying and lackluster. I mean it's almost as if they knew to expect people to not feel that satisfied with the scraps as there was an instant interview waiting for us as soon as the show ended. The DE endgame sounds like a great one (even JP's joke about Damon and Elena doing a barbecue in an hour would have been nice) we just didn't get to see it. Having a final scene after Damon/Elena visit their family and seeing them run off playfully as Damon grabs her in a hug from behind as a bright light faded would have been so nice. Their priorities were dumb. yes, we basically GOT everything, but the execution of this everything was just awful (IMHO partly because of IS, partly because JP) there's some consolation in the fact that we still got the best of them all. DE is still the only romantic endgame in the show, even if crappy executed one. I would be pretty ok with the ending (because TBH we already got A LOT of great scene before - sth a la aengagement, a la wedding etc.) If they add one last scene in the very end, with Damon and Stefan joining Elena in Gilbert hous. So nothing was left to interpretation. Yeah that would have been a nice touch. I suppose we could think of a million ways it could have been better but it is what it is at this point. |
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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2017 9:25:57 GMT -5
Great so now they're telling us the rest of the story? Why not actually have shown it to us? Ugh, this just goes back to the proposal that was cut. Showing these scenes, even in a montage would have been the difference between satisfying and lackluster. I mean it's almost as if they knew to expect people to not feel that satisfied with the scraps as there was an instant interview waiting for us as soon as the show ended. The DE endgame sounds like a great one (even JP's joke about Damon and Elena doing a barbecue in an hour would have been nice) we just didn't get to see it. Having a final scene after Damon/Elena visit their family and seeing them run off playfully as Damon grabs her in a hug from behind as a bright light faded would have been so nice. Their priorities were dumb. I couldn't agree more. I re-watched the finale last night before I went to sleep. SO MANY UNNECESSARY scenes that were included instead of DE ones. The Vicki Donavan scenes with her Dad and Matt were pretty much FF material and totally unnecessary. No one cares about Vicki. No one cares about a Daddy Donovan. What a waste of screen time. The Damon and Vicki scenes were boring too. The first Bonlena/Bonenzo scene wasn't really necessary either, and the fake DE reunion was a slap in the face to DE fans with hardly any pay-off in the end, IMO. I actually thought the first half of the episode dragged along because the scenes were just blah. The Datherine scenes could have also been shortened. There was too much filler and DE did not get the screen time or scenes that their story deserved! PERIOD. DE carried that show! It's was the story everyone was invested in all the way through! They completely screwed up the finale and it's pretty much unforgivable, and there is no doubt in my mind that Ian was the problem. I also blame KW. He came in after leaving over 6 seasons ago and tried to make the finale what he wanted it to be which resulted in putting way too much emphasis on Stefan/Stelena in Elena's story. I'm even more irritated after sleeping on it! It really felt like they spent the episode trying to minimize the anger from the shippers who didn't get the endgame they wanted (and I was afraid that might happen). DE got the endgame, but the scenes they had did not do their story justice or give fans the pay-off they deserved after 2 years of waiting. Heck, Almost all Damon's scenes were with Katherine! Why? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 9:40:07 GMT -5
Ugh, this just goes back to the proposal that was cut. Showing these scenes, even in a montage would have been the difference between satisfying and lackluster. I mean it's almost as if they knew to expect people to not feel that satisfied with the scraps as there was an instant interview waiting for us as soon as the show ended. The DE endgame sounds like a great one (even JP's joke about Damon and Elena doing a barbecue in an hour would have been nice) we just didn't get to see it. Having a final scene after Damon/Elena visit their family and seeing them run off playfully as Damon grabs her in a hug from behind as a bright light faded would have been so nice. Their priorities were dumb. yes, we basically GOT everything, but the execution of this everything was just awful (IMHO partly because of IS, partly because JP) there's some consolation in the fact that we still got the best of them all. DE is still the only romantic endgame in the show, even if crappy executed one. I would be pretty ok with the ending (because TBH we already got A LOT of great scene before - sth a la aengagement, a la wedding etc.) If they add one last scene in the very end, with Damon and Stefan joining Elena in Gilbert hous. So nothing was left to interpretation. It's kind of like this weird limbo where we got the endgame, but it still feels like we lost. Imagine Steroline got TWO proposals yet they end up cutting the one DE proposal. Even after having Damon state that he'd want to marry Elena one day, as brought up before, DE felt like an afterthought. DE's had a great love story over the past six seasons, but after having no DE scenes for two seasons. You'd think they'd at least give us more more than what we did get in the finale. At least let the two talk lol. |
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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2017 9:44:58 GMT -5
Note to JP and KW: if you have to fill in the blanks after the finale airs you didn't do a good job and you will not have a satisfied audience.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 9:56:12 GMT -5
Ugh, this just goes back to the proposal that was cut. Showing these scenes, even in a montage would have been the difference between satisfying and lackluster. I mean it's almost as if they knew to expect people to not feel that satisfied with the scraps as there was an instant interview waiting for us as soon as the show ended. The DE endgame sounds like a great one (even JP's joke about Damon and Elena doing a barbecue in an hour would have been nice) we just didn't get to see it. Having a final scene after Damon/Elena visit their family and seeing them run off playfully as Damon grabs her in a hug from behind as a bright light faded would have been so nice. Their priorities were dumb. I couldn't agree more. I re-watched the finale last night before I went to sleep. SO MANY UNNECESSARY scenes that were included instead of DE ones. The Vicki Donavan scenes with her Dad and Matt were pretty much FF material and totally unnecessary. No one cares about Vicki. No one cares about a Daddy Donovan. What a waste of screen time. The Damon and Vicki scenes were boring too. The first Bonlena/Bonenzo scene wasn't really necessary either, and the fake DE reunion was a slap in the face to DE fans with hardly any pay-off in the end, IMO. I actually thought the first half of the episode dragged along because the scenes were just blah. The Datherine scenes could have also been shortened. There was too much filler and DE did not get the screen time or scenes that their story deserved! PERIOD. DE carried that show! It's was the story everyone was invested in all the way through! They completely screwed up the finale and it's pretty much unforgivable, and there is no doubt in my mind that Ian was the problem. I also blame KW. He came in after leaving over 6 seasons ago and tried to make the finale what he wanted it to be which resulted in putting way too much emphasis on Stefan/Stelena in Elena's story. I'm even more irritated after sleeping on it! It really felt like they spent the episode trying to minimize the anger from the shippers who didn't get the endgame they wanted (and I was afraid that might happen). DE got the endgame, but the scenes they had did not do their story justice or give fans the pay-off they deserved after 2 years of waiting. Heck, Almost all Damon's scenes were with Katherine! Why? I severly underestimated KW's involvement. I figured he get that the show moved on from SE seasons ago. This is the least DE heavy finale that we've ever had. And since KW pitched the graveyard idea, he also likely had a lot to do with the dialogue in that scene. Overall kind of telling that KW helped write the prpremiere, where Damon humanity was off and doing more season 1/2 esque behavior while Stefan portrayed as heroic. Then he disappears and we get a very DE and Damon heavy season, a role reversal, and then KW comes back for the finale and we get all this Stefan praising. |
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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2017 10:04:20 GMT -5
Ok, here's a question: Did I miss something? Why did Stefan inject Damon with the cure when Elena was not awake yet and he had no way of knowing when she would be or that Bonnie would find a way to break the spell? Shouldn't he have just given Damon the syringe with his blood to use when the time was right? What if Elena had slept until Bonnie died in 60-70 years?
Also, breaking the spell was so easy. Why didn't they try that sooner?
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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2017 10:10:45 GMT -5
Also, where were they at the end? Was that the world Bonnie created? Was Enzo and Bonnie there? Or was it heaven? Will Caroline be there someday? Jeremy? Alaric? Where were they supposed to be exactly?
Also, I thought Bonnie's witch ancestors moved on when the other side collapsed. No?
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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2017 10:21:36 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. I re-watched the finale last night before I went to sleep. SO MANY UNNECESSARY scenes that were included instead of DE ones. The Vicki Donavan scenes with her Dad and Matt were pretty much FF material and totally unnecessary. No one cares about Vicki. No one cares about a Daddy Donovan. What a waste of screen time. The Damon and Vicki scenes were boring too. The first Bonlena/Bonenzo scene wasn't really necessary either, and the fake DE reunion was a slap in the face to DE fans with hardly any pay-off in the end, IMO. I actually thought the first half of the episode dragged along because the scenes were just blah. The Datherine scenes could have also been shortened. There was too much filler and DE did not get the screen time or scenes that their story deserved! PERIOD. DE carried that show! It's was the story everyone was invested in all the way through! They completely screwed up the finale and it's pretty much unforgivable, and there is no doubt in my mind that Ian was the problem. I also blame KW. He came in after leaving over 6 seasons ago and tried to make the finale what he wanted it to be which resulted in putting way too much emphasis on Stefan/Stelena in Elena's story. I'm even more irritated after sleeping on it! It really felt like they spent the episode trying to minimize the anger from the shippers who didn't get the endgame they wanted (and I was afraid that might happen). DE got the endgame, but the scenes they had did not do their story justice or give fans the pay-off they deserved after 2 years of waiting. Heck, Almost all Damon's scenes were with Katherine! Why? I severly underestimated KW's involvement. I figured he get that the show moved on from SE seasons ago. This is the least DE heavy finale that we've ever had. And since KW pitched the graveyard idea, he also likely had a lot to do with the dialogue in that scene. Overall kind of telling that KW helped write the prpremiere, where Damon humanity was off and doing more season 1/2 esque behavior while Stefan portrayed as heroic. Then he disappears and we get a very DE and Damon heavy season, a role reversal, and then KW comes back for the finale and we get all this Stefan praising. Yeah, it's like KW regressed the story. When Stefan said he got a glimpse of the Damon he hadn't seen for a long time and he wanted Elena to get to know that guy? Huh? Damon was willing to sacrifice himself at the end of a Season 1 to save Mystic Falls. He did it again at the end if Season 5. Also, brought Stefan back from the dead. That Damon is the one Elena fell in love with because she ALWAYS SAW THAT SIDE IF HIM! She is the only one he let see it! Damon put himself I. Danger to save a Stefan and the gang so many times, and it all was overlooked In this episode! Also, Elena said at the end of Season 2 that she liked Damon just the way he was when he told her that he wished she had known him in 1865 that she would have liked him. It is almost like KW regressed the story so he could make the triangle a focus again and bring back bad brother/good brother dialogue that we had moved passed. I am also going to assume that it was KW who wanted to bring back Vicki and give her too much scree time, since it seems he never moved on from Season 1. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Mar 11, 2017 11:33:15 GMT -5
Good point. I didn't put that together until just now. Damon died first. He then waited for Elena, and they went together hand and hand into the afterlife finding peace. Eternal love. I didn't think of it that way. Though it does lead to us having to do a lot of speculation ourselves. I'm not sure if Elena was really supposed to be dead in that scene since she's writing and talking about recent events with Stefan's sacrifice. It's just that the way the DE scenes was cut makes it skip and transition awkwardly. The hand holding seemed to represent them being together and going to live their lives, and then the scene where they're walking down the street and in different clothes gives the impression they've been together, got married and all and lived a full life, and JP wanted to have her cake and eat it too and once again did a jarring scene change to show them getting peace. Like mentioned I didn't even know DE were married at that point, I don't know if the ring got a close up or anything, maybe I missed it. As Doppel mentioned, Damon just disappearing off out of thin air as he's holding Elena's hands just gave a bad impression. Especially since it seems like Damon poofed somewhere else without Elena in tow. Wouldn't Elena want to show her family Damon or likewise with Stefan? He stated he wanted to see Damon and Elena have that fulfilling human life and gave a DE fan speech to Elena before he left. So he could have seen them and smiled, knowing they lived a good life. Though I would have gladly not have this afterlife scene if it came at the expense of cutting DE in real time. It feels like it's only a thing solely for the last scene to be a Defan one. We see the ring when she hugs her dad. Thanks for that brevity of validation JP. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Mar 11, 2017 11:36:36 GMT -5
well, I am not THAT disapointed, because I didnt expect anthing better from these people. Ian is is most pitiful actor I know. TBH I hope he will have huge problem with finding another job and if I was a film director, I would think then times before offering him a role, after what he's done with DE scenes in finale. I doesn't say anything good about him as an actor. the biggest problem I have is last scene and the fact that people can interprete it as DE spending their afterlife not together. It shouldn't be left to interpretation. It's absolutly obvious that they would stay together (well, maybe Ian couldn't stand filming few more seconds in the same room as Nina - what a man!) Exactly the problem! It makes it seem like they didn't spend their eternity together but went their separate ways when they died. The whole final 7 minutes was left to interpretation, which is not how a finale should be. It just annoys the crap out of everyone and leaves us going back and forth on what "could have been". We don't know who died when and what happened next. So stupid. |
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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2017 11:41:27 GMT -5
I didn't think of it that way. Though it does lead to us having to do a lot of speculation ourselves. I'm not sure if Elena was really supposed to be dead in that scene since she's writing and talking about recent events with Stefan's sacrifice. It's just that the way the DE scenes was cut makes it skip and transition awkwardly. The hand holding seemed to represent them being together and going to live their lives, and then the scene where they're walking down the street and in different clothes gives the impression they've been together, got married and all and lived a full life, and JP wanted to have her cake and eat it too and once again did a jarring scene change to show them getting peace. Like mentioned I didn't even know DE were married at that point, I don't know if the ring got a close up or anything, maybe I missed it. As Doppel mentioned, Damon just disappearing off out of thin air as he's holding Elena's hands just gave a bad impression. Especially since it seems like Damon poofed somewhere else without Elena in tow. Wouldn't Elena want to show her family Damon or likewise with Stefan? He stated he wanted to see Damon and Elena have that fulfilling human life and gave a DE fan speech to Elena before he left. So he could have seen them and smiled, knowing they lived a good life. Though I would have gladly not have this afterlife scene if it came at the expense of cutting DE in real time. It feels like it's only a thing solely for the last scene to be a Defan one. We see the ring when she hugs her dad. Thanks for that brevity of validation JP. We also see it during the close up of DE holding hands. /photo/1 |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Mar 11, 2017 12:10:27 GMT -5
So, the whole Bonnie breaking the spell scene; If they were going to do that, then why did they need to include the first scene at the beginning of the episode with her seeing Elena?
When I saw the first scene, I thought that since Bonnie technically died, that's how they were going to bring Elena back OR that Bonnie was actually going to die (hence she could be with Enzo) and they had the scene because that was the only way that the girls would be able to see each other again. Was the point of that just so Enzo could pop in and say it wasn't her time?
Just more wasted space IMO.
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i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5