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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2017 12:12:43 GMT -5
I HATED this line from Stefan.
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Damon made so many sacrifices for Stefan throughout this show. I cannot even begin to name them all. A couple episodes ago he was going to sacrifice his own life and soul to save a Stefan and Elena's from hell. He sacrificed his own life to save Mystic Falls and bring Stefan back from the dead at the end of Season 5. Heck, he put his life on the line and almost died to save Mystic Falls at the end of Sesson 1. I can't even count the number of times he risked his life to save a thankless Stefan. Yet, Stefan told Elena that tonight he saw a side of Damon that he hadn't seen since he was a child. Huh? No wonder I got so bored. This show basically repeated the same SL where Defan was concerned over and over never recognizing character development from the prior storyline.
KW's hand can be seen all over this episode, and his influence is part of the reason it was such a disappointment, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 12:13:55 GMT -5
Also, where were they at the end? Was that the world Bonnie created? Was Enzo and Bonnie there? Or was it heaven? Will Caroline be there someday? Jeremy? Alaric? Where were they supposed to be exactly? Also, I thought Bonnie's witch ancestors moved on when the other side collapsed. No? I think the scene with the witches was more about the imagery, Bonnie feeling shes not strong enough but finding strengh in her ancestors as if theyve always been with her and her magic not truly gone. Also thats also what was so confusing. Were they in heaven? I find ut eerie, just the afterlife concept. I dont want to think of DE dead, I wanted to be able to see their life. The fact that the finale has us sparking conversations of whether Damon or Elena kicked the bucket first instead of squealing over donestic headcanons and marriage and children is crazy and insane! Why don't we have a cute, normal ending? JP is nuts I tell you lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 12:18:22 GMT -5
So, the whole Bonnie breaking the spell scene; If they were going to do that, then why did they need to include the first scene at the beginning of the episode with her seeing Elena? When I saw the first scene, I thought that since Bonnie technically died, that's how they were going to bring Elena back OR that Bonnie was actually going to die (hence she could be with Enzo) and they had the scene because that was the only way that the girls would be able to see each other again. Was the point of that just so Enzo could pop in and say it wasn't her time? Just more wasted space IMO. It seemed mainly for the horribly misplaced DE reunion fakeout with Kat. That callback was NOT worth it. I think Kat would just be completely done with toying with both brothers and just want them to burn. Unnecessary scene that could have just been Elena to begin with and keep Kat near the tomb/cave/bell area waiting in gleeful anticipation. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 11, 2017 12:20:44 GMT -5
I just read that JP thinks she could make a spinoff with the school for children thing with Caroline. Good luck with that!
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Post by Somerhaldered on Mar 11, 2017 13:01:23 GMT -5
I just read that JP thinks she could make a spinoff with the school for children thing with Caroline. Good luck with that! What a terrible idea, she couldn't even do this one right. This is right up there with her Heretics spin-off idea. GTFOH JP |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Mar 11, 2017 13:02:43 GMT -5
So, the whole Bonnie breaking the spell scene; If they were going to do that, then why did they need to include the first scene at the beginning of the episode with her seeing Elena? When I saw the first scene, I thought that since Bonnie technically died, that's how they were going to bring Elena back OR that Bonnie was actually going to die (hence she could be with Enzo) and they had the scene because that was the only way that the girls would be able to see each other again. Was the point of that just so Enzo could pop in and say it wasn't her time? Just more wasted space IMO. It seemed mainly for the horribly misplaced DE reunion fakeout with Kat. That callback was NOT worth it. I think Kat would just be completely done with toying with both brothers and just want them to burn. Unnecessary scene that could have just been Elena to begin with and keep Kat near the tomb/cave/bell area waiting in gleeful anticipation. You're totally right. That was mainly so we would think that Bonnie's heart stopping brought Elena back and they could do the fake reunion. What a load of bull. |
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Post by b1beloty on Mar 11, 2017 13:08:16 GMT -5
yes, we basically GOT everything, but the execution of this everything was just awful (IMHO partly because of IS, partly because JP) there's some consolation in the fact that we still got the best of them all. DE is still the only romantic endgame in the show, even if crappy executed one. I would be pretty ok with the ending (because TBH we already got A LOT of great scene before - sth a la aengagement, a la wedding etc.) If they add one last scene in the very end, with Damon and Stefan joining Elena in Gilbert hous. So nothing was left to interpretation. It's kind of like this weird limbo where we got the endgame, but it still feels like we lost. Imagine Steroline got TWO proposals yet they end up cutting the one DE proposal. Even after having Damon state that he'd want to marry Elena one day, as brought up before, DE felt like an afterthought. DE's had a great love story over the past six seasons, but after having no DE scenes for two seasons. You'd think they'd at least give us more more than what we did get in the finale. At least let the two talk lol. really? You would prefer Steroline ending? I mean not only Stefan died, but also - they would probably not reunite in afterlife because Caroline is a vampire, AND they haven't even shown Caroline as that much devastated - I mean she was basically smiling at Stefan's memorial (just compare it to Elena in 5x22 and 6x01). AND they heavily implied Klaroline in the very same episode Stefan died, just few minutes after that. Delena GOT the proposal, 6x21 covered it pretty well AND Damon turn human to be with Elena, it's more than wedding TBH. I understand feeling disapointed (especially those of you who stand by the show for the last two years - I watched only two episodes), but honestly DE got no doubt the best ending out of all romantic ships in the show. The rest was just destroyed in one episode - LOL. At the end of the day - Nina saved us. I don't really believe in this bulls*** about coming back to SE if she hadn't left (it really sound like consolation prize and damage control), but I'm 100% sure that going through Ian "great: performance in DE scene would be just unsufferable and the writters would be FORCED to break DE up for good. IMHO DE scenes were absolutely off since 5x22. In season 5 there were still a lot of chemistry between them in spite of break up, but season 6 was just awful - it was like watching two completely new characters. Since s6 the best DE happened when only one of them was actually in the scene (like 6x02 or this last season with Damon's love for Elena breaking through). I hated 6x22 goodbye scene, it was just ridiculous and completely not DE-like. But what Ian pulled off in these 3 minutes he had with Nina in series finale SHOULD destroy his career. |
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Post by b1beloty on Mar 11, 2017 13:17:01 GMT -5
Anyone know how are the TO chances for being renewed? I knew that Klaus girl dying and the way Steroline was written this season has a reason. It's really cheap and dirty what they have done with Steroline and what they are planning to do with Caroline. The only consolation is that after they attract some desparate Klarolines to the show to save it, they will probably give them some crappy ending anyway. Because seriously can you imagine the level of oddity, if they end Klaroline with happily ever after raising their creepy kids together?  |
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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2017 13:18:16 GMT -5
The emotion in Nina's voice her when she spoke about Delena.
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"Damon and Elena had a connection unlike any other and it came across on screen"
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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2017 13:23:30 GMT -5
It seemed mainly for the horribly misplaced DE reunion fakeout with Kat. That callback was NOT worth it. I think Kat would just be completely done with toying with both brothers and just want them to burn. Unnecessary scene that could have just been Elena to begin with and keep Kat near the tomb/cave/bell area waiting in gleeful anticipation. You're totally right. That was mainly so we would think that Bonnie's heart stopping brought Elena back and they could do the fake reunion. What a load of bull. Well, I will say that that scene gave context to the later Stelena scene at the school and Delena scene in the cemetery. Bonnie's heart stopped and she was able to visit Elena in the limbo between life and death. Then Stefan did the same after he died. Then when Elena died, she met up with Damon who was waiting for her in that same limbo so they could move into the afterlife together. |
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Post by b1beloty on Mar 11, 2017 13:23:43 GMT -5
The emotion in Nina's voice her when she spoke about Delena. /video/1 "Damon and Elena had a connection unlike any other and it came across on screen" I have LOTS of respect for Nina. The fact that she decided to come back and have to deal with Ian after all he said about her, after how he behaved and that she was still able to play her part well is just... seriously, I never really cared about Nian and didn't have opinion about their relationship and break up for a long time, but this? This is just terribly sad. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 11, 2017 13:35:24 GMT -5
The emotion in Nina's voice her when she spoke about Delena. /video/1 "Damon and Elena had a connection unlike any other and it came across on screen" I have LOTS of respect for Nina. The fact that she decided to come back and have to deal with Ian after all he said about her, after how he behaved and that she was still able to play her part well is just... seriously, I never really cared about Nian and didn't have opinion about their relationship and break up for a long time, but this? This is just terribly sad. Whatever happened with Nian, it came through later in Ian's bitterness toward the fans and toward the character of Elena and Delena. It was really just so unnecessary and it just showed that he had a lot of built up resentment there that he hadn't dealt with, if you ask me. It's no wonder that Nikki seems so jealous of Nina along the way and injected herself into the situation with the fans and by always having to be there with Ian and put in her two cents worth that nobody wanted to hear as if she had a right. I don't hate her or anything but the both of them show their insecurities through their actions. Nina and Ian really did have something and that doesn't just go away magically. THAT is what came across the screen because this empty shell of Delena that we have gotten lately sure isn't it. I mean Ian's obviously still not over it even if he doesn't realize that his behavior is showing us that but it does take a long time to get over someone you were head over heels in love with so I'm not really surprised. He shut up about it at first but now it's spilling out all over the place. Hopefully getting away from this fandom will give him time to finally get over it for good and he won't be such rotten company anymore. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 11, 2017 13:55:24 GMT -5
Book ending throwback...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 14:04:02 GMT -5
It's kind of like this weird limbo where we got the endgame, but it still feels like we lost. Imagine Steroline got TWO proposals yet they end up cutting the one DE proposal. Even after having Damon state that he'd want to marry Elena one day, as brought up before, DE felt like an afterthought. DE's had a great love story over the past six seasons, but after having no DE scenes for two seasons. You'd think they'd at least give us more more than what we did get in the finale. At least let the two talk lol. really? You would prefer Steroline ending? I mean not only Stefan died, but also - they would probably not reunite in afterlife because Caroline is a vampire, AND they haven't even shown Caroline as that much devastated - I mean she was basically smiling at Stefan's memorial (just compare it to Elena in 5x22 and 6x01). AND they heavily implied Klaroline in the very same episode Stefan died, just few minutes after that. Delena GOT the proposal, 6x21 covered it pretty well AND Damon turn human to be with Elena, it's more than wedding TBH. I understand feeling disapointed (especially those of you who stand by the show for the last two years - I watched only two episodes), but honestly DE got no doubt the best ending out of all romantic ships in the show. The rest was just destroyed in one episode - LOL. At the end of the day - Nina saved us. I don't really believe in this bulls*** about coming back to SE if she hadn't left (it really sound like consolation prize and damage control), but I'm 100% sure that going through Ian "great: performance in DE scene would be just unsufferable and the writters would be FORCED to break DE up for good. IMHO DE scenes were absolutely off since 5x22. In season 5 there were still a lot of chemistry between them in spite of break up, but season 6 was just awful - it was like watching two completely new characters. Since s6 the best DE happened when only one of them was actually in the scene (like 6x02 or this last season with Damon's love for Elena breaking through). I hated 6x22 goodbye scene, it was just ridiculous and completely not DE-like. But what Ian pulled off in these 3 minutes he had with Nina in series finale SHOULD destroy his career. Not their ending. I meant SC got two official marriage proposal scenes, ring, on one knee, they got to see Caroline in a wedding dress, state vows etc. the whole shebang. While DE had their proposal scene, with a ring, cut like bah thats not important! Thats what im frustrated about, Stefan died yeah, but Steroline was THE romantic pairing of that finale, they carried all the emotional weight. We got the endgame on paper, but not on screen. Its not satisyfing hearing about Damon rebuilding the Gilbert house and the two living there when JP should have shown us. Was Vicki and Katherine more important? Im grateful Delena are alive and endgame but what we got was not worth two seasons of waiting for DE to reunite. They didnt even talk. It feels like a slap in the face to us loyal DE fans. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Mar 11, 2017 14:08:00 GMT -5
It's kind of like this weird limbo where we got the endgame, but it still feels like we lost. Imagine Steroline got TWO proposals yet they end up cutting the one DE proposal. Even after having Damon state that he'd want to marry Elena one day, as brought up before, DE felt like an afterthought. DE's had a great love story over the past six seasons, but after having no DE scenes for two seasons. You'd think they'd at least give us more more than what we did get in the finale. At least let the two talk lol. really? You would prefer Steroline ending? I mean not only Stefan died, but also - they would probably not reunite in afterlife because Caroline is a vampire, AND they haven't even shown Caroline as that much devastated - I mean she was basically smiling at Stefan's memorial (just compare it to Elena in 5x22 and 6x01). AND they heavily implied Klaroline in the very same episode Stefan died, just few minutes after that. Delena GOT the proposal, 6x21 covered it pretty well AND Damon turn human to be with Elena, it's more than wedding TBH. I understand feeling disapointed (especially those of you who stand by the show for the last two years - I watched only two episodes), but honestly DE got no doubt the best ending out of all romantic ships in the show. The rest was just destroyed in one episode - LOL. At the end of the day - Nina saved us. I don't really believe in this bulls*** about coming back to SE if she hadn't left (it really sound like consolation prize and damage control), but I'm 100% sure that going through Ian "great: performance in DE scene would be just unsufferable and the writters would be FORCED to break DE up for good. IMHO DE scenes were absolutely off since 5x22. In season 5 there were still a lot of chemistry between them in spite of break up, but season 6 was just awful - it was like watching two completely new characters. Since s6 the best DE happened when only one of them was actually in the scene (like 6x02 or this last season with Damon's love for Elena breaking through). I hated 6x22 goodbye scene, it was just ridiculous and completely not DE-like. But what Ian pulled off in these 3 minutes he had with Nina in series finale SHOULD destroy his career. I don't think anyone is saying they didn't get the best romantic ending of all the ships - just that for being this epic relationship and all of the tumultuous things they had to endure for the past few seasons, it would have been nice if they could have worked in more for the ending and if the actors could have actually done a romantic scene together without looking like it was so painful. |
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