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Post by Somerhaldered on Mar 13, 2015 18:13:15 GMT -5
OK, so let's talk about this whole Bamon thing and everyone's feelings on it. I think I know where most people on this board feel about a romantic relationship, but are you diggin the friendship? From what they've given us, do you think they could eventually go to a romantic level?
I will start by saying that I like Bamon as a friendship - if they are just friends and it is obviously so. But I am hearing people (that aren't necessarily Bamon fans) say that their phone call in 6x16 was very flirty. I'm just gonna chock this up to the fact that people will see what they want to. When I watched this conversation, it reminded me of talking to your guy best friend. I had guy best friends and we would talk to each other kind of flirty but there would never be a romantic thing between us - it was all in good fun and banter. Can't anyone just be friends anymore and that be it? Let me take that back, Damon's words and expressions were like that, but watching Bonnie's smirks and facial expressions and some of the things she said, like "I miss you" and "just who I wanted to talk to", those could be taken as more flirty in tone.
Secondly, some friend if she could just drop all of her pain on Damon the way she did. I'm gonna play devil's advocate for Bonnie here and say he's probably the one closest to her situation that could even remotely relate to what she went through, but was it OK for her to put him through "her pain" just so someone could know what she felt? I'm a bit torn on this because I know why she did it, and they did a great job looping what she went through in with Kai's apology. It really pulled it all together and brought to the front of our minds what she went through. I just felt like that was way harsh, especially to do it to "a friend" - and although Damon brought her there so he could get something out of it, I think just vocalizing it might have been effective too, lol.
I guess they also did like that to show us that, unlike the "old" Bonnie, who might have gone along with letting Kai see her and then run off and cried in her bedroom later, now she's gonna do her own thing and she's not wanting to take anyone's sh*t about it.
So what do you think overall, do you like the Bamon friendship and what do you think about them being flirty, even if they don't ever go down that romance road?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 13, 2015 18:32:15 GMT -5
OK, so let's talk about this whole Bamon thing and everyone's feelings on it. I think I know where most people on this board feel about a romantic relationship, but are you diggin the friendship? From what they've given us, do you think they could eventually go to a romantic level? I will start by saying that I like Bamon as a friendship - if they are just friends and it is obviously so. But I am hearing people (that aren't necessarily Bamon fans) say that their phone call in 6x16 was very flirty. I'm just gonna chock this up to the fact that people will see what they want to. When I watched this conversation, it reminded me of talking to your guy best friend. I had guy best friends and we would talk to each other kind of flirty but there would never be a romantic thing between us - it was all in good fun and banter. Can't anyone just be friends anymore and that be it? Let me take that back, Damon's words and expressions were like that, but watching Bonnie's smirks and facial expressions and some of the things she said, like "I miss you" and "just who I wanted to talk to", those could be taken as more flirty in tone. Secondly, some friend if she could just drop all of her pain on Damon the way she did. I'm gonna play devil's advocate for Bonnie here and say he's probably the one closest to her situation that could even remotely relate to what she went through, but was it OK for her to put him through "her pain" just so someone could know what she felt? I'm a bit torn on this because I know why she did it, and they did a great job looping what she went through in with Kai's apology. It really pulled it all together and brought to the front of our minds what she went through. I just felt like that was way harsh, especially to do it to "a friend" - and although Damon brought her there so he could get something out of it, I think just vocalizing it might have been effective too, lol. I guess they also did like that to show us that, unlike the "old" Bonnie, who might have gone along with letting Kai see her and then run off and cried in her bedroom later, now she's gonna do her own thing and she's not wanting to take anyone's sh*t about it. So what do you think overall, do you like the Bamon friendship and what do you think about them being flirty, even if they don't ever go down that romance road? Nope! I'm not feeling any of it. It all seems so contrived to me and not organic, not realistic, not even true to the characters....none of it. I also think Ian is full of crap about there being 'too much chemistry' between he and Kat cause I don't see ANY chemistry...still looking for it! It's like they are trying too hard to make something seem like a good thing when it really isn't and that concerns me for the future and where they intend to go with this 'friendship.' I find it kind of ironic that after everything we've gone through with Delena and stuck with it, that the one thing that could make me stop watching the show is this contrived BD stuff...it really could if it keeps on going. Well at least they can't blame the new series low ratings on Delena because there was NO Delena this past episode, just a lot of BD and SC. |
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 13, 2015 18:32:12 GMT -5
I really like Bamon as a dynamic duo who get stuff done. I like their mutual respect for each other. I can't stand the way they are writing their friendship now. You know how Stelenas can't stand having Steroline forced down their throats and the rest of us are kind of lukewarm or even OK with Steroline? That's how I feel about Bamon friendship. They are doing Bonnie's character yet another disservice by having her friends ignore her, and Damon being there for her. She is worthy of her girlfriends, of Matt and Tyler, and yes of Stefan. Yet all we see are she and Damon. I get that Bonnie and Damon have a connection, and I like it and want them to explore it further. But Bonnie should never flirt with Damon. He is in love with her best friend. She has never acted like the 16-year-old school girl and she shouldn't start now. I don't know why but I don't even like her wide smiles at him. It takes away from her character somehow. If they cannot get the friendship right (and they haven't in my opinion because it only has come through at the expense of forgetting there are other characters on the show) I don't see how I could like any further relationship.
Damon, on the other hand, can flirt with Liz and we love it because it is in his character. Yet, he has never made any innuendos to Bonnie or anything that I can think of. So no, at this point I don't think he should start flirting with her either. Put capes on them and let them fight Big Bads but leave it at that.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 13, 2015 18:40:26 GMT -5
I also don't like how they are trying to make Bonnie's OTHER friends look inferior to this suddenly new friendship with Damon...it's all just contrived and insults my intelligence. She ditches Jeremy. They have Elena make a lame toast to her return...Caro insults her with her humanity off so all she has is Damon...of course! Then she abuses him and we're supposed to like this friendship? I don't know why we should! They have not shown us any reason to like it at all, not even from their time in 1994. Bonnie has always used Damon as her punching bag, blaming him for everything wrong in their world from the very beginning and forcing him to 'feel her pain' now is just more of the same. I don't see friendship in the way she treats Damon at all. I have never liked Bonnie precisely because of how she treats Damon and this latest thing just reinforced to me why I still don't like Bonnie.
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Post by Charlotte on Mar 13, 2015 18:49:47 GMT -5
And just to emphasize how little the writers think of Bonnie when they write her: She burns a stranger's hand for getting too close to her, she tortures Damon because he used her, but she sees Kai and lets him off with a warning? She should have told Elena to try a little harder on the damn toast. She should have given Caroline a tiny little headache to shut her up. That Bonnie I could see have a relationship (still not sure I even like the word friendship between the two) with Damon.
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Post by Somerhaldered on Mar 13, 2015 18:57:22 GMT -5
I also don't like how they are trying to make Bonnie's OTHER friends look inferior to this suddenly new friendship with Damon...it's all just contrived and insults my intelligence. She ditches Jeremy. They have Elena make a lame toast to her return...Caro insults her with her humanity off so all she has is Damon...of course! Then she abuses him and we're supposed to like this friendship? I don't know why we should! They have not shown us any reason to like it at all, not even from their time in 1994. Bonnie has always used Damon as her punching bag, blaming him for everything wrong in their world from the very beginning and forcing him to 'feel her pain' now is just more of the same. I don't see friendship in the way she treats Damon at all. I have never liked Bonnie precisely because of how she treats Damon and this latest thing just reinforced to me why I still don't like Bonnie. You know, that's very true. Now that Bonnie has finally made it back, I'm not sure this is a good return for Bonnie fans. They say she was everyone's pee on while she was there, then they stick her in the AU for months by herself to the point she almost kills herself, then they bring her back and no one gives a crap except for Damon? They had one of her best friends flip the switch before she even got to see her and get the amazing Caroline welcome - Caroline who spent an entire day in the woods looking for her teddy bear! Elena's like "Oh wow, you made it back, doesn't it suck that we were here living our lives without you," She and Stefan were never super close but now he's heartless too and she basically told her (ex)boyfriend to leave her alone because she's a different person now and doesn't want to deal with their relationship (in a nutshell, lol). So yeah, let's turn to Damon. Ummm, if I were a huge Bonnie fan, not sure how I'd feel. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 14:32:41 GMT -5
I was all for a Bamon friendship in the beginning. Having all of Elena's girlfriends finally warm up to Damon and get out of their season 1 mentality just felt like something that was common sense to develop over time. Caroline managed to get over that hurdle and after spending time alone with Damon in the AU and Bonnie making that comment noting the difference between him and Kai, Bonnie seemed well on her way too.
After spending that time together it made sense for their relationship to change and for them to be a bit more closer to were they could converse to each other outside of the whole, 'Elena's in trouble. Here's the plan.' Of course I didn't think at the time this would be at the expense of other relationships that involved the two. Bonnie and the girls and Damon and his respective guy friends. Alaric would have had some sound advice for how to approach this whole Kai/Bonnie thing, of course now Alaric isn't even around casually anymore. He's disappeared with Jo as if he's also a guest star this season.
Also seconding the whole thing about Elena's 'lame' toast. I don't get why the writers wouldn't have just outright wrote a good one. Or just not do the toast at all. They could have just had a normal heartfelt moment (why was Bonnie more excited to see Damon who she spent four months with and less of Elena who she hadn't seen in so long. She just walked in casually. I'd think the running/jump hug would be more appropriate for Elena lol). Caroline having her humanity off at the time of Bonnie's return was also dumb writing. Both Damon and Bonnie's returns were just disappointments. They both just walked in the midst of a 'storyline' filled with drama instead of getting to be happy and reunited with friends and respective lovers.
One of Bonnie's strongest relationships on the show was with Elena. She stated she regarded her as a sister and most of her sacrifices were for Elena's sake. But now the two of them feel sort of awkward in scenes.
It also seems odd for Bonnie to talk to Damon on the phone, meet up with him and Kai, get upset, and then just leave without mentioning even a word to Elena. Wouldn't it have made sense for a scene of this sort to take place:
*Bonnie storming over to Elena*
Elena: Did you manage to find Caroline? *notices Bonnie's expression* Did something happen?
Bonnie: Damon brought Kai here to see me.
Elena: What? That doesn't make sense. Why would he do that?
Bonnie: I can't really think right now. I just need to go. I'm sorry Elena.
Elena: Bonnie? Wait! *tries to go after her but gets distracted for plot reasons*
Even Bonnie not mentioning all the Kai/Damon stuff and Elena just seeing Bonnie walking off through the crowds for Bonnie to simply tell her, 'I'm sorry I gotta go.' would be better than the absolute zero interaction they had over the situation.
Vice versa it goes the same way with Damon and Elena. He was also at the rave at the same time as Elena. The two of them could have found each other in the crowds, Elena questioning if he's seen Bonnie (this is accounting for the scenario the show went with trying to call Bonnie's phone with no answer). Damon mentions the thing about Kai and then Elena brings out they need to go check up on her.
Anyways this example is getting quite long. But I'd be less agitated over the Bonnie and Damon scenes if this didn't completely alienate them from their other circle of friends. If this friendship with the two is taking away from more important relationships like the main couple of the show, then maybe it doesn't need to exist.
Honestly it feels like the only girl/guy friendships that the writers can actually pull off are ones that involve Elena. Matt/Elena of course being the main one and not needing much explaining in that department lol. Tyler/Elena has been a relationship that only had some focus in season two with the moonstone plot, a little bit again with the sire bond, and then this season the writers were a bit more showy with it. But it wasn't contrived and out there. Like Tyler suddenly inviting Elena to have a drink with him at the bar as he spilled his problems to her or anything of that sort. The writers had them act in character, and didn't take time away from their other relationships. Elena/Alaric is also another one that comes to mind.
When it comes to Bonnie and Caroline getting bonding time with the 'main' boys. Suddenly Elena is out of the picture in both cases. Bonnie's situation hasn't gotten that extreme yet (like with Caroline who defended Stefan's actions and feelings way more than her best friend since childhood). In Bonnie's case it's more of a fact of the writers making Caroline out of commission and Elena busy and caught up with drama so that Bonnie conveniently only has Damon to talk her problems with. |
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