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Post by chrizakathemole on Nov 20, 2015 14:24:36 GMT -5
No I'm talking about ALL characters. He saved Stefan's life and almost (and also sort of did) lost his life. BUT the same season we are told in the yearly Lexi episode "Did You ever think I just needed my brother" He travled to save Bonnie and told her he owed her amd was his friend he couldnt live with her been trapped. The fact is most of the time Damon's deeds are written off as been because HE can't live if Alaric/Bonnie/Elena/Katherine/Stefan are dead or He wants to impress Alaric/Bonnie/Elena/Katherine/Stefan. Do I think he is pure evil? NO. Do I think he's still season 1 Damon? NO. However what they tell us is different. To use a weird parallel think Wrestling. There is a term "kayfabe" To quote wiki "It is the portrayal of staged events within the industry as "real" or "true," specifically the portrayal of competition, rivalries, and relationships between participants as being genuine and not of a staged or pre-determined nature." You see in wrestling if a Heel (badguy) hits a Face (goodguy) with weapon the commentators tell that in doing so he is despicable or evil or ruthless ect… it is clear we are supposed to see them in that light. In reverse if a face uses a weapon on a heel the commentators tell us it's just an equalizer or justified. It's not just wrestling the same happens in other mediums too. Take comicbooks. Superman has killed many times over the years yet he is hero. Poison Ivy wants to save the environment but kills , she is a villain. We know this because they tell us. Damon is one of my favourite characters however in kayfabe or in universe we are always been told by him and 90% of the cast that he is selfish , untrustworthy , dark ect… Now we have a choice, we can either A) say that hew is supposed to be selfish and accept it the way he is portrayed or B) say “but stefan did it and he's a hero” in which so you are using real life logic and by doing so the show can't exist as vampires are not real. So yeah most of Damon's actions in world are selfish and Stefan's are evil. BUT it works both ways. Stefan is the character with a hobby (his classic cars) that's cool as hell! or writing diaries or even dancing ballroom. But we are told he is boring and Damon is cool and interesting because he popped on a leather jacket and drank lol Like Damon has no hobbies I can think of. However I will say Stefan is the dull one as that is what the universe tells me. Most of the uses of Damon over the years has been to do things for others like Alaric/Bonnie/Elena/Katherine/Stefan. Or himself. My point was by saying no to the war and defending slavery by been on the south team and by telling NO ONE it is something not for his own gain or for Alaric/Bonnie/Elena/Katherine/Stefan. It's just a personal deep sense of morale. THAT was all I was addressing. The fact it was something that can't be taken wrong, Bragged about in a “I'm a dick” way he loves to do or anything else it's just right and cool. I get people have “sides” and feel the need to defend them, but I just found it shocking and cool that it was something not to do with the main cast he just did it because it was cool. In the first 3 episodes of this year I was also happy to see tyler in a suit in a random cutaway for similar reasons of every time tyler goes to do something off screen it results in him wondering alone in the woods lol now he's in a suit and car I want to know why  To address the others I do not think anyone was “attacking” me, If I had I'd have ben way more insulting and sarcastic in reply lol I just think people misunderstood my point or where I was coming from. It was not from a “insult damon” place or insult Delena or Bammon or any other ship. It was just coming from a nice place that gave respect to a cool character moment or trait that is flat out “good” not more of a grey area like normal  Now that you've gone a bit more into detail, I get the point you were trying to get across now. Though I think MissMystic covered this better in her reply. Damon's stance on the war and slavery is really the only time in this show that I can ever remember a political issue or social issue. I mean they only ever mention Obama once and that's an offhand remark by Bonnie in the first episode season 1. No characters talk about things like race or gay rights. Even now with Mary and Nora, being the first gay couple on the show, no one in the cast is reacting to them, no one is antagonizing them, acting like they shouldn't be together etc. It's not even about them being 'for' gay rights, it's the fact that they don't have any stance/opinion on the matter in general. As stated, this isn't the type of show for those kind of issues.
Because of this, it's not really a good indicator for Damon's character verses how everyone else is because there's no other characters to compare it to. It's not as if Stefan is an advocator for gay rights, Bonnie is the spokesperson for racism, and Caroline leads a feminist group and everyone BUT DAMON is making choices that is about morality in general and not based on a character. As MissMystic stated, I'm not going to rewrite a full list of examples. Caroline's the sweetheart of the show yet she made a choice to kill 12 witches because of a CHARACTER, her best friend Bonnie. So you can't fault Damon for his choices being based on 'I need yous' but ignore other characters who have pretty much done the same thing throughout this show. As fans of Damon, we don't treat him like some saint, we know about his flaws and we don't excuse him and we also like that Damon's character has never been afraid to own up to these flaws/mistakes that he's mad. On the flipside it gets a bit frustrating when we have people who are quick to point out Damon as the 'bad guy/brother' or whatever all the time but completely ignore when a favorite character of theirs has made a mistake or done something horrible. This is in general, not directed at you solely lol.
No You are right However I addressed that too. I ignore Caroline killing 12 witches the way I ignore Elena + Jeremy killing millions of Vampires by killing kol. The show tells "it's okay" Like I pointed out Stefan gets loads of flack for things too because we are told it. Like not been funny or interesting. Yet his jokes are funny and yet he has hobby and his blood addiction makes him really interesting. BUT it's stefan and we are told he's the stick in the mud , dull one. People as you put it are quick to point out Damon as the 'bad guy/brother' because the show does. That's his role. His role is to be the dark bad one we love because he's the dark bad one. It's like when we are told Alaric is this great vampire hunter ..... he gets beat up a lot and the vampire he hunted the most of damon he befriended him lol he's no buffy! but in the show he is a great one so we will call him one. Is it hypocritical? yeah but it helps in everyone's favour |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 14:47:55 GMT -5
Now that you've gone a bit more into detail, I get the point you were trying to get across now. Though I think MissMystic covered this better in her reply. Damon's stance on the war and slavery is really the only time in this show that I can ever remember a political issue or social issue. I mean they only ever mention Obama once and that's an offhand remark by Bonnie in the first episode season 1. No characters talk about things like race or gay rights. Even now with Mary and Nora, being the first gay couple on the show, no one in the cast is reacting to them, no one is antagonizing them, acting like they shouldn't be together etc. It's not even about them being 'for' gay rights, it's the fact that they don't have any stance/opinion on the matter in general. As stated, this isn't the type of show for those kind of issues.
Because of this, it's not really a good indicator for Damon's character verses how everyone else is because there's no other characters to compare it to. It's not as if Stefan is an advocator for gay rights, Bonnie is the spokesperson for racism, and Caroline leads a feminist group and everyone BUT DAMON is making choices that is about morality in general and not based on a character. As MissMystic stated, I'm not going to rewrite a full list of examples. Caroline's the sweetheart of the show yet she made a choice to kill 12 witches because of a CHARACTER, her best friend Bonnie. So you can't fault Damon for his choices being based on 'I need yous' but ignore other characters who have pretty much done the same thing throughout this show. As fans of Damon, we don't treat him like some saint, we know about his flaws and we don't excuse him and we also like that Damon's character has never been afraid to own up to these flaws/mistakes that he's mad. On the flipside it gets a bit frustrating when we have people who are quick to point out Damon as the 'bad guy/brother' or whatever all the time but completely ignore when a favorite character of theirs has made a mistake or done something horrible. This is in general, not directed at you solely lol.
No You are right However I addressed that too. I ignore Caroline killing 12 witches the way I ignore Elena + Jeremy killing millions of Vampires by killing kol. The show tells "it's okay" Like I pointed out Stefan gets loads of flack for things too because we are told it. Like not been funny or interesting. Yet his jokes are funny and yet he has hobby and his blood addiction makes him really interesting. BUT it's stefan and we are told he's the stick in the mud , dull one. People as you put it are quick to point out Damon as the 'bad guy/brother' because the show does. That's his role. His role is to be the dark bad one we love because he's the dark bad one. It's like when we are told Alaric is this great vampire hunter ..... he gets beat up a lot and the vampire he hunted the most of damon he befriended him lol he's no buffy! but in the show he is a great one so we will call him one. Is it hypocritical? yeah but it helps in everyone's favour I edited my previous post to be a bit more clear lol. Though in regards to the Caroline killing 12 witches, I brought up that example because you said when Damon saves someone, it's always about him 'needing' someone as the reason. So what do you think the reason is that Caroline killed 12 witches? It was about saving and needing her best friend Bonnie. It's not about, well Caroline killed 12 people but Elena killed a thousand or whatever. I'm talking about the reason. Think of it this way, would you consider that a selfish move by Damon had it been him in Caroline's position? Killing 12 people to save one, Elena? And then since it was all about 'saving Elena/needing Elena' on Damon's part.
Or would this be one of the instances that you just 'ignore' along with the Elena/Jeremy situation. Would you still ignore this if it wasn't Caroline who made this move but Damon instead? This is really the only point that I'm trying to get across. Damon's not the only character who saves/kills people based on needing or wanting them in their life still. I know the show always tries to make Damon out as the bad guy but this is the same show where everyone told Elena her feelings for Damon weren't real or that she could never love someone like Damon. Just because the characters make a blatant accusation, doesn't make it true especially when we as the audience are seeing otherwise in the characters actions. Half of the selfless things Damon has done, no one even knows. He doesn't go around parading his achievements and he made it pretty clear to Elena in 3x19 that when she asked about letting people see the good in him that if they see good, they expect good. That doesn't sound like a statement made by someone who would only be good to benefit off of it.
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Post by missmystic on Nov 20, 2015 14:55:32 GMT -5
Now that you've gone a bit more into detail, I get the point you were trying to get across now. Though I think MissMystic covered this better in her reply. Damon's stance on the war and slavery is really the only time in this show that I can ever remember a political issue or social issue. I mean they only ever mention Obama once and that's an offhand remark by Bonnie in the first episode season 1. No characters talk about things like race or gay rights. Even now with Mary and Nora, being the first gay couple on the show, no one in the cast is reacting to them, no one is antagonizing them, acting like they shouldn't be together etc. It's not even about them being 'for' gay rights, it's the fact that they don't have any stance/opinion on the matter in general. As stated, this isn't the type of show for those kind of issues.
Because of this, it's not really a good indicator for Damon's character verses how everyone else is because there's no other characters to compare it to. It's not as if Stefan is an advocator for gay rights, Bonnie is the spokesperson for racism, and Caroline leads a feminist group and everyone BUT DAMON is making choices that is about morality in general and not based on a character. As MissMystic stated, I'm not going to rewrite a full list of examples. Caroline's the sweetheart of the show yet she made a choice to kill 12 witches because of a CHARACTER, her best friend Bonnie. So you can't fault Damon for his choices being based on 'I need yous' but ignore other characters who have pretty much done the same thing throughout this show. As fans of Damon, we don't treat him like some saint, we know about his flaws and we don't excuse him and we also like that Damon's character has never been afraid to own up to these flaws/mistakes that he's mad. On the flipside it gets a bit frustrating when we have people who are quick to point out Damon as the 'bad guy/brother' or whatever all the time but completely ignore when a favorite character of theirs has made a mistake or done something horrible. This is in general, not directed at you solely lol.
No You are right However I addressed that too. I ignore Caroline killing 12 witches the way I ignore Elena + Jeremy killing millions of Vampires by killing kol. The show tells "it's okay" Like I pointed out Stefan gets loads of flack for things too because we are told it. Like not been funny or interesting. Yet his jokes are funny and yet he has hobby and his blood addiction makes him really interesting. BUT it's stefan and we are told he's the stick in the mud , dull one. People as you put it are quick to point out Damon as the 'bad guy/brother' because the show does. That's his role. His role is to be the dark bad one we love because he's the dark bad one. It's like when we are told Alaric is this great vampire hunter ..... he gets beat up a lot and the vampire he hunted the most of damon he befriended him lol he's no buffy! but in the show he is a great one so we will call him one. Is it hypocritical? yeah but it helps in everyone's favour
I think I have finally pinpointed the point of conflict here lol. It seems like what you are saying is that you are happy to watch the show the way the script tells you to, yes? So you are accepting the statements that are made about people as "the way things are" because you believe that's the way the creators want you to interpret it, even if you see contradictions in the logic of it all. Is that right?
So the problem I think we're having is that we don't do that lol. I'll speak for myself to be fair, but basically what I'm saying is that I don't accept the statements that are made as the way things are and leave it at that. They tell me Stefan is the hero and Damon is the bad brother, but everything they do tells me the opposite lol, so therefore I don't accept that statement as truth. I don't want to watch the show the way they're telling me to watch it. I want to pick it apart and analyze everything and find hidden meanings and discuss contradictions. So the fact that they all say Damon is selfish and a jerk means nothing to me lol. Because that's not how he acts and that's not the truth of the character, no matter what they say. I don't care if they get it tattooed to his forehead :-P
So I think the problem is that we are watching the show differently. Is it true that their tagline is "Damon is bad"? Yes, its true, you're right. But that bothers me because that's not what I see when I watch him. I want to yell and shout at the writers and say "WAKE UP!! You are writing this story wrong you morons! Damon is the hero! Stefan is the bad brother! GET IT RIGHT!" lol. And I will continue to want to do that until they acknowledge that Stefan sucks and make him do some kind of penance, and then have everyone honor and thank Damon ;-P
So shall it be written, and so shall it be done! :-)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 15:03:03 GMT -5
No You are right However I addressed that too. I ignore Caroline killing 12 witches the way I ignore Elena + Jeremy killing millions of Vampires by killing kol. The show tells "it's okay" Like I pointed out Stefan gets loads of flack for things too because we are told it. Like not been funny or interesting. Yet his jokes are funny and yet he has hobby and his blood addiction makes him really interesting. BUT it's stefan and we are told he's the stick in the mud , dull one. People as you put it are quick to point out Damon as the 'bad guy/brother' because the show does. That's his role. His role is to be the dark bad one we love because he's the dark bad one. It's like when we are told Alaric is this great vampire hunter ..... he gets beat up a lot and the vampire he hunted the most of damon he befriended him lol he's no buffy! but in the show he is a great one so we will call him one. Is it hypocritical? yeah but it helps in everyone's favour
I think I have finally pinpointed the point of conflict here lol. It seems like what you are saying is that you are happy to watch the show the way the script tells you to, yes? So you are accepting the statements that are made about people as "the way things are" because you believe that's the way the creators want you to interpret it, even if you see contradictions in the logic of it all. Is that right?
So the problem I think we're having is that we don't do that lol. I'll speak for myself to be fair, but basically what I'm saying is that I don't accept the statements that are made as the way things are and leave it at that. They tell me Stefan is the hero and Damon is the bad brother, but everything they do tells me the opposite lol, so therefore I don't accept that statement as truth. I don't want to watch the show the way they're telling me to watch it. I want to pick it apart and analyze everything and find hidden meanings and discuss contradictions. So the fact that they all say Damon is selfish and a jerk means nothing to me lol. Because that's not how he acts and that's not the truth of the character, no matter what they say. I don't care if they get it tattooed to his forehead :-P
So I think the problem is that we are watching the show differently. Is it true that their tagline is "Damon is bad"? Yes, its true, you're right. But that bothers me because that's not what I see when I watch him. I want to yell and shout at the writers and say "WAKE UP!! You are writing this story wrong you morons! Damon is the hero! Stefan is the bad brother! GET IT RIGHT!" lol. And I will continue to want to do that until they acknowledge that Stefan sucks and make him do some kind of penance, and then have everyone honor and thank Damon ;-P
So shall it be written, and so shall it be done! :-)
Your post managed to get to the crux of the problem better than I did haha. Ignore my post, MissMystic explains it better to finally allow ourselves to put a nail in the coffin on this debate lol. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 20, 2015 17:03:14 GMT -5
Now on to the post, most of those statements you made, 'I need you' or 'I can't live without you'. Are you just talking about in regards to Elena again?
No I'm talking about ALL characters. He saved Stefan's life and almost (and also sort of did) lost his life. BUT the same season we are told in the yearly Lexi episode "Did You ever think I just needed my brother" He travled to save Bonnie and told her he owed her amd was his friend he couldnt live with her been trapped. The fact is most of the time Damon's deeds are written off as been because HE can't live if Alaric/Bonnie/Elena/Katherine/Stefan are dead or He wants to impress Alaric/Bonnie/Elena/Katherine/Stefan. Do I think he is pure evil? NO. Do I think he's still season 1 Damon? NO. However what they tell us is different. To use a weird parallel think Wrestling. There is a term "kayfabe" To quote wiki "It is the portrayal of staged events within the industry as "real" or "true," specifically the portrayal of competition, rivalries, and relationships between participants as being genuine and not of a staged or pre-determined nature." You see in wrestling if a Heel (badguy) hits a Face (goodguy) with weapon the commentators tell that in doing so he is despicable or evil or ruthless ect… it is clear we are supposed to see them in that light. In reverse if a face uses a weapon on a heel the commentators tell us it's just an equalizer or justified. It's not just wrestling the same happens in other mediums too. Take comicbooks. Superman has killed many times over the years yet he is hero. Poison Ivy wants to save the environment but kills , she is a villain. We know this because they tell us. Damon is one of my favourite characters however in kayfabe or in universe we are always been told by him and 90% of the cast that he is selfish , untrustworthy , dark ect… Now we have a choice, we can either A) say that hew is supposed to be selfish and accept it the way he is portrayed or B) say “but stefan did it and he's a hero” in which so you are using real life logic and by doing so the show can't exist as vampires are not real. So yeah most of Damon's actions in world are selfish and Stefan's are evil. BUT it works both ways. Stefan is the character with a hobby (his classic cars) that's cool as hell! or writing diaries or even dancing ballroom. But we are told he is boring and Damon is cool and interesting because he popped on a leather jacket and drank lol Like Damon has no hobbies I can think of. However I will say Stefan is the dull one as that is what the universe tells me. Most of the uses of Damon over the years has been to do things for others like Alaric/Bonnie/Elena/Katherine/Stefan. Or himself. My point was by saying no to the war and defending slavery by been on the south team and by telling NO ONE it is something not for his own gain or for Alaric/Bonnie/Elena/Katherine/Stefan. It's just a personal deep sense of morale. THAT was all I was addressing. The fact it was something that can't be taken wrong, Bragged about in a “I'm a dick” way he loves to do or anything else it's just right and cool. I get people have “sides” and feel the need to defend them, but I just found it shocking and cool that it was something not to do with the main cast he just did it because it was cool. In the first 3 episodes of this year I was also happy to see tyler in a suit in a random cutaway for similar reasons of every time tyler goes to do something off screen it results in him wondering alone in the woods lol now he's in a suit and car I want to know why To address the others I do not think anyone was “attacking” me, If I had I'd have ben way more insulting and sarcastic in reply lol I just think people misunderstood my point or where I was coming from. It was not from a “insult damon” place or insult Delena or Bammon or any other ship. It was just coming from a nice place that gave respect to a cool character moment or trait that is flat out “good” not more of a grey area like normal This really isn't meant to be like wrestling...Albeit, it's a teen drama so not as deep as some can go but we are supposed to be using our brains and deciding for ourselves how we feel about the characters. Why would they make Damon do the things he does that contradict his supposed 'evil' nature? It goes all the way back to season 1, episode 4? where he's stroking Elena's sleeping face while in the background Stefan is calling him an unsavable monster. If we were supposed to just believe that and take it at face value they wouldn't have thrown in so many contradictions to it all through the seasons and more and more of them are coming even now. We never knew much about Damon and how he was in and before 1864, why he did what he did, why he was the way he was, except in our head canon, until NOW. Wait until you see the last episode to decide how selfish you think Damon really is. He also makes a statement about Native Americans so he is now the poster boy for anti-racism on the show I would say...LOL |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 20, 2015 17:14:37 GMT -5
Now that you've gone a bit more into detail, I get the point you were trying to get across now. Though I think MissMystic covered this better in her reply. Damon's stance on the war and slavery is really the only time in this show that I can ever remember a political issue or social issue. I mean they only ever mention Obama once and that's an offhand remark by Bonnie in the first episode season 1. No characters talk about things like race or gay rights. Even now with Mary and Nora, being the first gay couple on the show, no one in the cast is reacting to them, no one is antagonizing them, acting like they shouldn't be together etc. It's not even about them being 'for' gay rights, it's the fact that they don't have any stance/opinion on the matter in general. As stated, this isn't the type of show for those kind of issues.
Because of this, it's not really a good indicator for Damon's character verses how everyone else is because there's no other characters to compare it to. It's not as if Stefan is an advocator for gay rights, Bonnie is the spokesperson for racism, and Caroline leads a feminist group and everyone BUT DAMON is making choices that is about morality in general and not based on a character. As MissMystic stated, I'm not going to rewrite a full list of examples. Caroline's the sweetheart of the show yet she made a choice to kill 12 witches because of a CHARACTER, her best friend Bonnie. So you can't fault Damon for his choices being based on 'I need yous' but ignore other characters who have pretty much done the same thing throughout this show. As fans of Damon, we don't treat him like some saint, we know about his flaws and we don't excuse him and we also like that Damon's character has never been afraid to own up to these flaws/mistakes that he's mad. On the flipside it gets a bit frustrating when we have people who are quick to point out Damon as the 'bad guy/brother' or whatever all the time but completely ignore when a favorite character of theirs has made a mistake or done something horrible. This is in general, not directed at you solely lol.
No You are right However I addressed that too. I ignore Caroline killing 12 witches the way I ignore Elena + Jeremy killing millions of Vampires by killing kol. The show tells "it's okay" Like I pointed out Stefan gets loads of flack for things too because we are told it. Like not been funny or interesting. Yet his jokes are funny and yet he has hobby and his blood addiction makes him really interesting. BUT it's stefan and we are told he's the stick in the mud , dull one. People as you put it are quick to point out Damon as the 'bad guy/brother' because the show does. That's his role. His role is to be the dark bad one we love because he's the dark bad one. It's like when we are told Alaric is this great vampire hunter ..... he gets beat up a lot and the vampire he hunted the most of damon he befriended him lol he's no buffy! but in the show he is a great one so we will call him one. Is it hypocritical? yeah but it helps in everyone's favour It's kind of a cop out to say, "The show tells us how to think." No, it really doesn't. That's your choice to believe what the characters say and not what the characters do. If you think Stefan is exciting then he is exciting to you. To me he's as dull as watching paint dry and that isn't because the show tells me this! The show says he's the hero, after all, and all the girls fall for him for some unknown reason, but this girl would never fall for him. The whole thing is completely unrealistic in the real world but that's how they wrote it, so whatever. I, however, see how they behave and make my judgments based upon that, and THAT is the difference between the way you think (and apparently every anti-Damon person ever) and the way I think as I watch the show. I do think they put that stuff in there to make us think for ourselves and not just believe what these characters say at face value. In real life it's the same. Every one sees the world differently. Some of these characters are also not privy to the good things Damon has done and we have to be aware of that as their opinion of him reflects what they know about him, not what WE know about him or Elena knows about him. These characters were told early on that Damon was an evil monster by Stefan and for some of them that stuck. He's made mistakes. He did originally intend to wreak havoc on the town. Nobody is denying that, but he started to change almost right away and now we are where we are. I can't look at Damon and only see season one Damon who had his switch flipped off and say, that's Damon and that will always be Damon, because the show has shown we otherwise no matter how many times Stefan says some crap about him. |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Nov 20, 2015 17:24:52 GMT -5
No You are right However I addressed that too. I ignore Caroline killing 12 witches the way I ignore Elena + Jeremy killing millions of Vampires by killing kol. The show tells "it's okay" Like I pointed out Stefan gets loads of flack for things too because we are told it. Like not been funny or interesting. Yet his jokes are funny and yet he has hobby and his blood addiction makes him really interesting. BUT it's stefan and we are told he's the stick in the mud , dull one. People as you put it are quick to point out Damon as the 'bad guy/brother' because the show does. That's his role. His role is to be the dark bad one we love because he's the dark bad one. It's like when we are told Alaric is this great vampire hunter ..... he gets beat up a lot and the vampire he hunted the most of damon he befriended him lol he's no buffy! but in the show he is a great one so we will call him one. Is it hypocritical? yeah but it helps in everyone's favour
I think I have finally pinpointed the point of conflict here lol. It seems like what you are saying is that you are happy to watch the show the way the script tells you to, yes? So you are accepting the statements that are made about people as "the way things are" because you believe that's the way the creators want you to interpret it, even if you see contradictions in the logic of it all. Is that right?
So the problem I think we're having is that we don't do that lol. I'll speak for myself to be fair, but basically what I'm saying is that I don't accept the statements that are made as the way things are and leave it at that. They tell me Stefan is the hero and Damon is the bad brother, but everything they do tells me the opposite lol, so therefore I don't accept that statement as truth. I don't want to watch the show the way they're telling me to watch it. I want to pick it apart and analyze everything and find hidden meanings and discuss contradictions. So the fact that they all say Damon is selfish and a jerk means nothing to me lol. Because that's not how he acts and that's not the truth of the character, no matter what they say. I don't care if they get it tattooed to his forehead :-P
So I think the problem is that we are watching the show differently. Is it true that their tagline is "Damon is bad"? Yes, its true, you're right. But that bothers me because that's not what I see when I watch him. I want to yell and shout at the writers and say "WAKE UP!! You are writing this story wrong you morons! Damon is the hero! Stefan is the bad brother! GET IT RIGHT!" lol. And I will continue to want to do that until they acknowledge that Stefan sucks and make him do some kind of penance, and then have everyone honor and thank Damon ;-P
So shall it be written, and so shall it be done! :-)
Yes sort of. I have chosen awhile back to just suspend disbelief and accept it. I understand wanting to see it Your own way but i realised during season 5 that if I did that was unhappy with the show. So I've started to just run with it. We all said it after the actors split up it was like Elena + Damon didn't want to be a room together all their chemistry was lost. BUT I chose to ignore it. I'm told Stefan + Damon have not aged yet when they smile they look waaaaay more wrinkled lol I ignore it. I'm told Tyler is useful and ..... I have accepted he meant to be (even I cant Ignore that one LOL) But seriously yes for some stuff in TVD i have always had to turn my brain off and accept. Like if someone butchered people (stefan) I'd never date them! Or killed my brother (damon) I'd never date them. BUT this is TVD so people don't think right. I mean how the **** vervain works changes every week lol they change their rules. So yes I cant go by what I see as much. I still do, I still have my favourites and least favourite , ships I want but I am realising fast that this show at times you just need to accept it or else it is not good. Like season 3 Elena the "good caring person" got over Jenna's death in universe really fast. In the last year my uncle + Mother have died and I know you don't just "get over it" in like 4 months. If I was Bonnie I'd have told everyone to **** off years ago lol how did Jeremy get off drugs in 6 months and not battle his addiction more? and MANY more I mean I know it's not as clear as the show makes out BUT everyone reads different things. Therefore the basics have to be all that can be agreed upon and not turn in to another ship war (not you guys but on some boards EVERYTHING = ship war) |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Nov 20, 2015 17:30:34 GMT -5
LOL I will say he has done many good things. This is not one of them. If I in real life broke in to someones home watched them sleep and stroked their face I'm 99.9% sure I'm going to prison |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 20:26:13 GMT -5
LOL I will say he has done many good things. This is not one of them. If I in real life broke in to someones home watched them sleep and stroked their face I'm 99.9% sure I'm going to prison lol now this is where you really have to suspend belief. Stefan stalked Elena for months before approaching her so he knew all the right things to say and by the second episode, they shared their first kiss. In real life, I'm sure this person would have been put on a restraining order. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 21, 2015 2:05:10 GMT -5
LOL I will say he has done many good things. This is not one of them. If I in real life broke in to someones home watched them sleep and stroked their face I'm 99.9% sure I'm going to prison lol now this is where you really have to suspend belief. Stefan stalked Elena for months before approaching her so he knew all the right things to say and by the second episode, they shared their first kiss. In real life, I'm sure this person would have been put on a restraining order. Exactly! When it comes to the supernatural aspects and such, I do just suspend my belief, but when it comes to character issues, I can't look at one character and judge them differently than another and all of them have done bad things. None of them are really 'good' at the end of the day. To me Damon is more harshly judged on the show and by some fans, than any other character in the show. Now he IS the reason most people watch, even if it's just to hate him, I suppose, so I guess that would lend some scrutiny, but c'mon? To call a Ripper, a hero? That alone just makes me scratch my head. Then to turn around and judge Damon harshly for everything he does, makes zero sense to me. I do not accept that Damon is selfish because I see that he isn't and I don't think it was an accident on the part of the writers to show us that what he thinks of himself and what many of them think of him is not actually true. Sometimes what we believe about ourselves or about others isn't true and to me that is the case with Damon. He has a lot of good in him, as Elena pointed out to him, but he chooses not to show that side of himself to many people and basically is 'good' in secret. That's a typical anti-hero move right there. If I were to just listen to what the characters say, I would have to ignore the good things he does in secret that tell me otherwise and I don't think the writers want us to do that. That wouldn't make sense. They wrote it this way for a reason, so that we would realize that he isn't all bad after all and Stefan also isn't always good either. I'm pretty sure that was the message the writers wanted us to get out of the show. |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Nov 21, 2015 12:34:14 GMT -5
LOL I will say he has done many good things. This is not one of them. If I in real life broke in to someones home watched them sleep and stroked their face I'm 99.9% sure I'm going to prison lol now this is where you really have to suspend belief. Stefan stalked Elena for months before approaching her so he knew all the right things to say and by the second episode, they shared their first kiss. In real life, I'm sure this person would have been put on a restraining order. LOL Yes that too! |
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