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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 1, 2015 9:24:53 GMT -5
THE SALVATORES ARE COMING TO TOWN — With the holidays in full swing, a search for Julian leads Damon and Stefan to a small town outside of Mystic Falls. While managing a holiday toy drive at Whitmore College, Bonnie (Kat Graham) seeks help from Nora (guest star Scarlett Byrne) and the two strike up an unlikely friendship. Elsewhere, Caroline (Candice King) does her best to navigate her new life as a pregnant vampire, while Alaric (Matt Davis) grows concerned that the pregnancy is effecting her more than she’s letting on. Finally, after finding himself at odds with Damon, Stefan is forced to take matters into his own hands, setting off a tragic chain of events that leaves their lives changed forever. Geoffrey Wing Shotz directed the episode written by Brian Young (#709). Original airdate 12/10/2015. Promo pics: www.spoilertv.com/2015/11/the-vampire-diaries-episode-709-cold-as.html |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 21:37:10 GMT -5
I like how this Christmas themed episode ends off with JP pretty much 'killing' everyone's fave Salvatore brothers, enduring their own personal hell for the holidays, while fans also have to wait a whole month for the show's return. A bit of morbid humor there if you will.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 10, 2015 21:43:52 GMT -5
I like how this Christmas themed episode ends off with JP pretty much 'killing' everyone's fave Salvatore brothers, enduring their own personal hell for the holidays, while fans also have to wait a whole month for the show's return. A bit of morbid humor there if you will.
The sad part is that I used to care a lot more about stuff like this but since they've both been killed before and we know they don't stay dead it's kind of meh... I rolled my eyes when Stefan got daggered, too. Can't let Damon be the only one to get the center of attention can we? Typical JP. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 8:25:46 GMT -5
I like how this Christmas themed episode ends off with JP pretty much 'killing' everyone's fave Salvatore brothers, enduring their own personal hell for the holidays, while fans also have to wait a whole month for the show's return. A bit of morbid humor there if you will.
The sad part is that I used to care a lot more about stuff like this but since they've both been killed before and we know they don't stay dead it's kind of meh... I rolled my eyes when Stefan got daggered, too. Can't let Damon be the only one to get the center of attention can we? Typical JP. Though I was surprised when Damon got daggered, since all the early spoilers we had mainly pointed towards Stefan being in hell and there was never any indication of Damon going through the same thing as well. I'm still confused about the whole concept of 'hell' in the Phoenix stone. Julian/Stefan make it sound like okay if you did a lot of bad things, you relive all your sins and whatnot. So is it multiple images you witness or just one thing repeated over and over. Damon's hell was focused on the war. And coincidently next episode is a Damon centered flash back episode. So I don't get if this flashback is something real that took place or is it the phoenix stone hell vision of the war. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 11, 2015 8:42:34 GMT -5
The sad part is that I used to care a lot more about stuff like this but since they've both been killed before and we know they don't stay dead it's kind of meh... I rolled my eyes when Stefan got daggered, too. Can't let Damon be the only one to get the center of attention can we? Typical JP. Though I was surprised when Damon got daggered, since all the early spoilers we had mainly pointed towards Stefan being in hell and there was never any indication of Damon going through the same thing as well. I'm still confused about the whole concept of 'hell' in the Phoenix stone. Julian/Stefan make it sound like okay if you did a lot of bad things, you relive all your sins and whatnot. So is it multiple images you witness or just one thing repeated over and over. Damon's hell was focused on the war. And coincidently next episode is a Damon centered flash back episode. So I don't get if this flashback is something real that took place or is it the phoenix stone hell vision of the war. I don't know either but if it's reliving the sins then it would be stuff that happened, replaying, right? In which case Stefan should be slaughtering hundreds of innocent men, women and children in Monterey. I found it laughable that Stefan had the audacity to say that it would take a while for Damon to relive his sins considering what Stefan himself did. It would make my day if he got his comeuppance during his 'stay' in 'hell.' I'm just so tired of Stefan acting like he's not just as bad as Damon or possibly worse considering he slaughtered people indiscriminately as the Ripper. Plus I wouldn't mind actually seeing him commit the atrocity. I already imagined it in my head but seeing it would be better especially for the Stefan lovers who think he can do no wrong. The reality of just how much he did wrong really needs to be made clear. Will JP do it? I really hope so! I don't expect it. however. She seems adverse to tarnishing her hero, yet it was her storyline that made him the Ripper. He wasn't in the books, not really, though he did lose control and overdrink from Elena once. I imagine that's where she got the concept from. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 9:18:03 GMT -5
Though I was surprised when Damon got daggered, since all the early spoilers we had mainly pointed towards Stefan being in hell and there was never any indication of Damon going through the same thing as well. I'm still confused about the whole concept of 'hell' in the Phoenix stone. Julian/Stefan make it sound like okay if you did a lot of bad things, you relive all your sins and whatnot. So is it multiple images you witness or just one thing repeated over and over. Damon's hell was focused on the war. And coincidently next episode is a Damon centered flash back episode. So I don't get if this flashback is something real that took place or is it the phoenix stone hell vision of the war. I don't know either but if it's reliving the sins then it would be stuff that happened, replaying, right? In which case Stefan should be slaughtering hundreds of innocent men, women and children in Monterey. I found it laughable that Stefan had the audacity to say that it would take a while for Damon to relive his sins considering what Stefan himself did. It would make my day if he got his comeuppance during his 'stay' in 'hell.' I'm just so tired of Stefan acting like he's not just as bad as Damon or possibly worse considering he slaughtered people indiscriminately as the Ripper. Plus I wouldn't mind actually seeing him commit the atrocity. I already imagined it in my head but seeing it would be better especially for the Stefan lovers who think he can do no wrong. The reality of just how much he did wrong really needs to be made clear. Will JP do it? I really hope so! I don't expect it. however. She seems adverse to tarnishing her hero, yet it was her storyline that made him the Ripper. He wasn't in the books, not really, though he did lose control and overdrink from Elena once. I imagine that's where she got the concept from. There is still that oddly misplaced scene in one of the previous episodes (taking place even before the future flash forward) with Stefan in old period clothes, in the forest, hunting with his son. Who then goes on to disappear with Stefan calling for him and not getting an answer in return. I feel like this may be what we experience with Stefan. As you mentioned, with Stefan's history as a ripper and going through entire villages killing woman and children, you'd think he should have it worst than Damon.
In fact it'd be interesting if these aspects are things that Stefan kept hidden deep within his psyche to erase his past and as he usually does start anew and play the good guy. Remember back in season 1 when he lost control at the Mystic Falls dance and had that one line about how he was supposed to be the good brother and therefore if he lost control and fed on the girl, it wouldn't fit the ideal image of being the good brother. So let's say that Stefan manages to keep this buried, yet when he goes into the phoenix stone, all of this will be brought to light.
And in a twist to what you mentioned about JP not wanting to tarnish Stefan's hero hair yet wrote the whole ripper storyline, it's the opposite for Damon. She's written scenes of him being selfless and 'doing good' for members of the gang, yet the writing/dialogue only calls attention to Damon the bad things Damon has done while glossing over the good things he's done as well. Have you ever witnessed such non progressive writing of a show before? I've never been so frustrated for a writing in a TV show in my life. In this case Defan is not affected by any outside actor drama or anything, it's just JP being hell-bent on not breaking her established dynamic in the first ep of season 1.
Both the ep description and Nora mention how when Stefan and Damon get out of the phoenix stone, the two of them are supposed to be changed forever. And I'm not sure how Stefan will experience some change if he gets some sappy, light hearted hell in comparison to what Damon gets. Though as stated, the million dollar question is will JP do it? She's already admitted in a magazine article that she doesn't let Stefan feel guilty about anything bad he's done because it'd be too much for him to bear. It's things said like that, and how the brothers are portrayed in the show (Stefan always made out to be the pure/self righteous one in comparison to Damon) that make me think that this will just be a line that JP will never cross with Stefan, that it'll always be the good/bad brother dynamic when regarding JP until the end of time.
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Post by missmystic on Dec 11, 2015 15:42:08 GMT -5
I don't know either but if it's reliving the sins then it would be stuff that happened, replaying, right? In which case Stefan should be slaughtering hundreds of innocent men, women and children in Monterey. I found it laughable that Stefan had the audacity to say that it would take a while for Damon to relive his sins considering what Stefan himself did. It would make my day if he got his comeuppance during his 'stay' in 'hell.' I'm just so tired of Stefan acting like he's not just as bad as Damon or possibly worse considering he slaughtered people indiscriminately as the Ripper. Plus I wouldn't mind actually seeing him commit the atrocity. I already imagined it in my head but seeing it would be better especially for the Stefan lovers who think he can do no wrong. The reality of just how much he did wrong really needs to be made clear. Will JP do it? I really hope so! I don't expect it. however. She seems adverse to tarnishing her hero, yet it was her storyline that made him the Ripper. He wasn't in the books, not really, though he did lose control and overdrink from Elena once. I imagine that's where she got the concept from. There is still that oddly misplaced scene in one of the previous episodes (taking place even before the future flash forward) with Stefan in old period clothes, in the forest, hunting with his son. Who then goes on to disappear with Stefan calling for him and not getting an answer in return. I feel like this may be what we experience with Stefan. As you mentioned, with Stefan's history as a ripper and going through entire villages killing woman and children, you'd think he should have it worst than Damon.
In fact it'd be interesting if these aspects are things that Stefan kept hidden deep within his psyche to erase his past and as he usually does start anew and play the good guy. Remember back in season 1 when he lost control at the Mystic Falls dance and had that one line about how he was supposed to be the good brother and therefore if he lost control and fed on the girl, it wouldn't fit the ideal image of being the good brother. So let's say that Stefan manages to keep this buried, yet when he goes into the phoenix stone, all of this will be brought to light.
And in a twist to what you mentioned about JP not wanting to tarnish Stefan's hero hair yet wrote the whole ripper storyline, it's the opposite for Damon. She's written scenes of him being selfless and 'doing good' for members of the gang, yet the writing/dialogue only calls attention to Damon the bad things Damon has done while glossing over the good things he's done as well. Have you ever witnessed such non progressive writing of a show before? I've never been so frustrated for a writing in a TV show in my life. In this case Defan is not affected by any outside actor drama or anything, it's just JP being hell-bent on not breaking her established dynamic in the first ep of season 1.
Both the ep description and Nora mention how when Stefan and Damon get out of the phoenix stone, the two of them are supposed to be changed forever. And I'm not sure how Stefan will experience some change if he gets some sappy, light hearted hell in comparison to what Damon gets. Though as stated, the million dollar question is will JP do it? She's already admitted in a magazine article that she doesn't let Stefan feel guilty about anything bad he's done because it'd be too much for him to bear. It's things said like that, and how the brothers are portrayed in the show (Stefan always made out to be the pure/self righteous one in comparison to Damon) that make me think that this will just be a line that JP will never cross with Stefan, that it'll always be the good/bad brother dynamic when regarding JP until the end of time.
I'm pretty sure that was just a dream Stefan was having after finding out about the child he almost had. I think we were just meant to be seeing him imagining what it would have been like to have a son, but then have the dream turn dark because it didn't really happen. Like a nightmare.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 11, 2015 17:59:41 GMT -5
I don't know either but if it's reliving the sins then it would be stuff that happened, replaying, right? In which case Stefan should be slaughtering hundreds of innocent men, women and children in Monterey. I found it laughable that Stefan had the audacity to say that it would take a while for Damon to relive his sins considering what Stefan himself did. It would make my day if he got his comeuppance during his 'stay' in 'hell.' I'm just so tired of Stefan acting like he's not just as bad as Damon or possibly worse considering he slaughtered people indiscriminately as the Ripper. Plus I wouldn't mind actually seeing him commit the atrocity. I already imagined it in my head but seeing it would be better especially for the Stefan lovers who think he can do no wrong. The reality of just how much he did wrong really needs to be made clear. Will JP do it? I really hope so! I don't expect it. however. She seems adverse to tarnishing her hero, yet it was her storyline that made him the Ripper. He wasn't in the books, not really, though he did lose control and overdrink from Elena once. I imagine that's where she got the concept from. There is still that oddly misplaced scene in one of the previous episodes (taking place even before the future flash forward) with Stefan in old period clothes, in the forest, hunting with his son. Who then goes on to disappear with Stefan calling for him and not getting an answer in return. I feel like this may be what we experience with Stefan. As you mentioned, with Stefan's history as a ripper and going through entire villages killing woman and children, you'd think he should have it worst than Damon.
In fact it'd be interesting if these aspects are things that Stefan kept hidden deep within his psyche to erase his past and as he usually does start anew and play the good guy. Remember back in season 1 when he lost control at the Mystic Falls dance and had that one line about how he was supposed to be the good brother and therefore if he lost control and fed on the girl, it wouldn't fit the ideal image of being the good brother. So let's say that Stefan manages to keep this buried, yet when he goes into the phoenix stone, all of this will be brought to light.
And in a twist to what you mentioned about JP not wanting to tarnish Stefan's hero hair yet wrote the whole ripper storyline, it's the opposite for Damon. She's written scenes of him being selfless and 'doing good' for members of the gang, yet the writing/dialogue only calls attention to Damon the bad things Damon has done while glossing over the good things he's done as well. Have you ever witnessed such non progressive writing of a show before? I've never been so frustrated for a writing in a TV show in my life. In this case Defan is not affected by any outside actor drama or anything, it's just JP being hell-bent on not breaking her established dynamic in the first ep of season 1.
Both the ep description and Nora mention how when Stefan and Damon get out of the phoenix stone, the two of them are supposed to be changed forever. And I'm not sure how Stefan will experience some change if he gets some sappy, light hearted hell in comparison to what Damon gets. Though as stated, the million dollar question is will JP do it? She's already admitted in a magazine article that she doesn't let Stefan feel guilty about anything bad he's done because it'd be too much for him to bear. It's things said like that, and how the brothers are portrayed in the show (Stefan always made out to be the pure/self righteous one in comparison to Damon) that make me think that this will just be a line that JP will never cross with Stefan, that it'll always be the good/bad brother dynamic when regarding JP until the end of time.
Well honestly the way she writes Stefan I can actually see him 'breaking' if he ever had to deal with the reality of what he really is and what he's done so I guess I was right in thinking that was what she was doing then if she said that! Damon also treats Stefan like he would break if he had to face his guilt head on but if they are going to do this right he kind of has to, doesn't he? I mean he spent a summer submerged under water and didn't break from the stress. If Stefan is ever going to move forward he has to deal with what he's done realistically and not pretend it never happened and he's the 'good brother' as he himself has stated. Until he can get over that lie, he'll never progress as a character. If JP intends to wrap up this series it would be nice to see some things change and that is one of them. I'd love to see Stefan apologize to Damon for always making him the bad guy and letting him take the heat and the punishment for him. All his life that's been how it was. I'd be shocked if it happened, but pleased. |
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 12, 2015 20:00:44 GMT -5
Agreed. PW acted well enough when he told blonde girl at MMF dance he was freaking hungry; in his scenes with Klaus and at the dinner with Klaus and Elijah. I am no PW fan, but most of the reason I don't like Stefan is he doesn't get decent story lines either and therefore I am not invested in him. I think his personal hell could be interesting if JP delved into the ripperdom, that he enjoyed/enjoys killing, that he is PISSED that his brother fell in love with his love interest. (Yes, I would even be OK with them going there). Then maybe if he could resolve those things, he could reconcile his BS hero hair with all of his F ups, own them and grow.
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Post by chrizakathemole on Jun 12, 2016 14:24:00 GMT -5
I liked this episode. a ****ing christmas episode in june! damn we are behind LOL But I liked it. My only complaint is Stefan is shocked damon still hates his mother? She literally put his girlfriend in a box! Come on that's bad writing. When Stefan was with Elena if someone messed with her he was pissed too. BUT at least the brothers are talking about stuff hopefully it brings them closer
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