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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 27, 2016 13:50:38 GMT -5
THE RACE TO SAVE STEFAN — Determined to capture an escaped vampire named Ambrose, who may be the key to getting Stefan (Paul Wesley) back safely, Damon (Ian Somerhalder) heads to Memphis with Alaric (Matt Davis) in tow. However, reluctant to step back into his former vampire hunting ways, Alaric makes his unwillingness to participate clear, while revealing the truth about the past three Damon-less years of his life. Meanwhile, in the psych ward, Bonnie (Kat Graham) meets a young woman named Virginia (guest star Aisha Duran), who provides her with some valuable information about why The Armory may be after her. Finally, Enzo (Michael Malarkey) takes matters into his own hands when he learns some devastating news from Rayna (guest star Leslie-Anne Huff). Rashaad Ernesto Green directed the episode with teleplay by Rebecca Sonnenshine and story by Penny Cox (#718). Original airdate 4/15/2016.
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 8, 2016 22:49:26 GMT -5
So here we've got a Dalaric road trip, which I normally love, but please don't let this be about how great Ric's life was without Damon in it the last 3 years. They hinted at it a little tonight when Ric said they've been living a safe normal life.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 9, 2016 6:54:47 GMT -5
So here we've got a Dalaric road trip, which I normally love, but please don't let this be about how great Ric's life was without Damon in it the last 3 years. They hinted at it a little tonight when Ric said they've been living a safe normal life. That's exactly what it will be about...this is TVD after all, whipping Damon is their specialty. I just hope Damon doesn't die ala Spike in BTVS to 'right' all his wrongs because that would be the absolute worst ending ever. I hated it it BTVS and I'd hate it here but with how much JP LOVES BTVS and seems to hate Damon, it's always a possibility. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 20:56:48 GMT -5
So here we've got a Dalaric road trip, which I normally love, but please don't let this be about how great Ric's life was without Damon in it the last 3 years. They hinted at it a little tonight when Ric said they've been living a safe normal life. Well Ric did give Matt the run around when he called and wasn't too pleased about jumping back into the supernatural craziness after so long so at least it wouldn't seem like he's only blasting Damon if a convo of the sort does occur. What would be annoying though if he pinned all of this on Damon, as if it's his fault that Stefan got stabbed with the sword and Rayna's body was brought to his house etc. and then go on to say how his life would be better without Damon. I missed the days when the blame/criticism was justified coming from actual screw ups like the Jeremy neck snap, hastily feeding Elena his blood, or angering Katherine (leading to Jenna getting stabbed). Those were understandable. But now it's been annoying lately how it seems Damon is getting blamed for every little inconvenience in the plot. Sometimes he doesn't have to even be actively doing the 'bad' and characters still talk about how selfish he is or doesn't care about his brother. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 15, 2016 23:45:58 GMT -5
Episode thoughts. Oh boy.
Bonnie
The episode opens with Bonnie talking about her relationship with Damon - "I cared about him more than anyone else IN THE WORLD"...blah blah blah... "he didn't care enough about me"... blah blah blah... "betrayal", blah blah etc. Did I just step into the twilight zone? This doesn't make enough sense for me to comment on it. Overreact much? I just don't understand where all the hate is coming from. She can't even bring herself to read the letter (I'm assuming because the seal didn't look torn) so if that's the case, she doesn't even know what he said. At least he took the time to write her a letter. Ugh.
So, she checked herself in there to hide from the Armory - I think she's faking her craziness - but I guess her feelings about Damon are real? #confused.
Ambrose/Stefan
I enjoyed this part - I usually enjoy watching Paul portray the evil alter-egos. Probably because he enjoys playing them so much. I didn't expect this to be dragged on for too long, and I appreciate that they were able to body swap them pretty easily at the end. But I could have done without the "having you for a brother...disappointment" line.
Delaric
I loved their banter during the episode - it was almost the dynamic duo back in action...almost. Until the end when Damon apologized aaannd Ric chewed him a new a**hole. Way to be a dick, Ric. I believe those were my exact words out loud when he was done talking. And all Damon had to say was: Thanks for being honest. Oh, Damon.
Val/Stefan
I didn't mind their scenes, it was the most feelings I gotten from this couple since they threw them together, but it's so true and so funny how Stefan continues to get a pass when he loves a different person than the one he's with. She broke up with him yet cheered him on to "go get his girl" (paraphrasing) and she couldn't let herself die because he would have a lifetime of guilt and he doesn't deserve that, he needs to be happy. Stefan Salvatore is quite possibly the smoothest, most loved, douchebag in the history of television!
Bonenzo
I'll give it a whirl. I like their chemistry more than she and Damon, but then again, Bamon has not been led down the onscreen romantic path so I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges right now. Did anyone notice that Bonnie gave Enzo a pass for giving her the poison pills? I can't help but wonder how she would have reacted if Damon had done it, lol. Pretty sure he would have gotten hate thrown his way.
What I did love about this episode:
DAMON! Man, he really came through tonight to save Stefan. I'm glad Ric at least acknowledged it to Valerie. Not only did Damon get Marty to safety with the ambulance, he showed up and saved him from Ambrose, and he made sure Valerie kept the spell going. He made it clear to Enzo that Bonnie wasn't the focus at the moment and he really needed to focus on getting Rayna back in order to save Stefan. He was the bigger man and told Ric he wanted his friendship and (even though it was stupid) he found Bonnie and tried to apologize to her (I don't think you need to apologize Damon and you can bring those flowers to my house - I won't slam the door in your face!).
What I hated:
Besides some of the dumb things I already mentioned, I think that final scene should have been cut - or at least moved to the next episode. Wrong place, wrong time. This whole episode was about Damon/Stefan and Damon/Ric. What I NEEDED and WANTED to see in that final scene was Defan or Delaric having a "Bro-moment". They screwed up the Delaric moment, it should have gone differently. They also needed to have Stefan acknowledge that his brother WAS THERE FOR HIM!!!!! That was the perfect time to tie these last two episodes together. Everything Damon has done the last 3 days (their time) was look out for his brother and make sure he saved him. He didn't let him die, his complete focus was Stefan, he saved him from the snow and got him back into his body. I needed there to be a conversation uplifting Damon. That needed to happen in order for this all to make sense. I needed a fireplace scene (I know there is no mansion right now, but you get my drift).
It seems like there have been a lot of missed opportunities and key moments that were dropped this season. Mediocre writing and not a lot of time left to see if they end it on a high note. I just need them to tell the stories we came to see and stop trying to invent new ones.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 16, 2016 6:58:50 GMT -5
Episode thoughts. Oh boy. Bonnie The episode opens with Bonnie talking about her relationship with Damon - "I cared about him more than anyone else IN THE WORLD"...blah blah blah... "he didn't care enough about me"... blah blah blah... "betrayal", blah blah etc. Did I just step into the twilight zone? This doesn't make enough sense for me to comment on it. Overreact much? I just don't understand where all the hate is coming from. She can't even bring herself to read the letter (I'm assuming because the seal didn't look torn) so if that's the case, she doesn't even know what he said. At least he took the time to write her a letter. Ugh. So, she checked herself in there to hide from the Armory - I think she's faking her craziness - but I guess her feelings about Damon are real? #confused. Ambrose/Stefan I enjoyed this part - I usually enjoy watching Paul portray the evil alter-egos. Probably because he enjoys playing them so much. I didn't expect this to be dragged on for too long, and I appreciate that they were able to body swap them pretty easily at the end. But I could have done without the "having you for a brother...disappointment" line. Delaric I loved their banter during the episode - it was almost the dynamic duo back in action...almost. Until the end when Damon apologized aaannd Ric chewed him a new a**hole. Way to be a dick, Ric. I believe those were my exact words out loud when he was done talking. And all Damon had to say was: Thanks for being honest. Oh, Damon. Val/Stefan I didn't mind their scenes, it was the most feelings I gotten from this couple since they threw them together, but it's so true and so funny how Stefan continues to get a pass when he loves a different person than the one he's with. She broke up with him yet cheered him on to "go get his girl" (paraphrasing) and she couldn't let herself die because he would have a lifetime of guilt and he doesn't deserve that, he needs to be happy. Stefan Salvatore is quite possibly the smoothest, most loved, douchebag in the history of television! Bonenzo I'll give it a whirl. I like their chemistry more than she and Damon, but then again, Bamon has not been led down the onscreen romantic path so I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges right now. Did anyone notice that Bonnie gave Enzo a pass for giving her the poison pills? I can't help but wonder how she would have reacted if Damon had done it, lol. Pretty sure he would have gotten hate thrown his way. What I did love about this episode: DAMON! Man, he really came through tonight to save Stefan. I'm glad Ric at least acknowledged it to Valerie. Not only did Damon get Marty to safety with the ambulance, he showed up and saved him from Ambrose, and he made sure Valerie kept the spell going. He made it clear to Enzo that Bonnie wasn't the focus at the moment and he really needed to focus on getting Rayna back in order to save Stefan. He was the bigger man and told Ric he wanted his friendship and (even though it was stupid) he found Bonnie and tried to apologize to her (I don't think you need to apologize Damon and you can bring those flowers to my house - I won't slam the door in your face!). What I hated: Besides some of the dumb things I already mentioned, I think that final scene should have been cut - or at least moved to the next episode. Wrong place, wrong time. This whole episode was about Damon/Stefan and Damon/Ric. What I NEEDED and WANTED to see in that final scene was Defan or Delaric having a "Bro-moment". They screwed up the Delaric moment, it should have gone differently. They also needed to have Stefan acknowledge that his brother WAS THERE FOR HIM!!!!! That was the perfect time to tie these last two episodes together. Everything Damon has done the last 3 days (their time) was look out for his brother and make sure he saved him. He didn't let him die, his complete focus was Stefan, he saved him from the snow and got him back into his body. I needed there to be a conversation uplifting Damon. That needed to happen in order for this all to make sense. I needed a fireplace scene (I know there is no mansion right now, but you get my drift). It seems like there have been a lot of missed opportunities and key moments that were dropped this season. Mediocre writing and not a lot of time left to see if they end it on a high note. I just need them to tell the stories we came to see and stop trying to invent new ones. It seems to me that they are using Bonnie as the Elena stand in to show Damon's gentler side. The problem is, it doesn't work and we don't need to see him being gentle with anyone but Elena nor do we want to! I love Damon when he's kicking ass and taking names as much as I love him when he's stroking Elena's beautiful face in awe. What I don't get is why they are having everyone hate on Damon so hard when he is the one getting things done as always. None of this is his fault. It all started back when Stefan provoked Julian to stab Damon. Everything Damon has done has been reactionary from there, but of course, Stefan gets zero blame for anything that has happened as a result. I'm just really tired of this dynamic of s*** on Damon every week when he's the reason everyone is alive and safe 99 percent of the time. It's getting unbearable at this point and luckily i'm not alone since #justicefordamon happened. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 16, 2016 7:21:06 GMT -5
I am so happy for #justicefordamon. TPTB have to see that we don't like this and it's not working. Something's got to give. The funny thing is, if this show still had good writing, we would have faith that this would all be for a purpose and we would have "justice for Damon". Unfortunately, I don't think anyone trusts these writers anymore to do the right thing and it's sad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 10:37:01 GMT -5
That Valerie and Stefan seen came off a bit ridiculous for me. It was literally Valerie talking the entire time and excusing/relieving Stefan of any guilt. Why would she be smiling over the fact that Stefan was writing letters to Caroline behind her back? The thing was that it wasn't believable. Not for Valerie's character. The beginning of this season she was clearly depicted as being jealous of Caroline. She would intrude on Stefan/Caroline when they were together, rub it in Caroline's face when it came to Stefan keeping things like their past a secret and how she was more important because she took Stefan's virginity.
Then the whole thing with making Caroline's skin out of vervain so that Stefan couldn't touch her. All of this and I'm supposed to believe that Valerie would smile/joke over Stefan writing letters to Caroline behind her back (meaning feelings are still there) and then even make a 'go get the girl' like comment with her blessings when a few episodes ago she told Alaric how she was rooting for him and Caroline? lol.
If I'm supposed to believe Valerie was this understanding and nice and all about Stefan's happiness with Caroline, she wouldn't have even got with Stefan, in the first place. She would have understood that what they had was in the past and that he was clearly already moved on with someone else and yet she still got with him. And it was obvious that she was hoping that Stefan would fall in love with her as she did him, and forget about Caroline. Had that been Damon, or actually maybe any other guy on the show but Stefan, they would have gotten an earful from said girl. No girl is walking away from a boyfriend she loved so much that happy and fulfilled and not have a single ounce of bitterness/regret/hurt or some emotion of betrayal! It's unrealistic especially taking into account how Valerie acted with Caroline in the beginning of the season and how she was still stuck on Stefan even after being separated for so long.
The line that trips me up the most is the one like, 'And I know you loved me in your own special/sort of way.' They just managed to cover anything that Stefan could feel guilty about here lol. No, either he loved you or he didn't. You wouldn't be breaking up or feeling inadequate in the relationship if he had loved you period. And she even asked Stefan point blank if she was temporary and of course Stefan said what she wanted to hear. Why didn't she bring up that at all? Why does Stefan always get off easy. As heartfelt as this scene could have came off, I couldn't really enjoy it because it was just all about making Stefan feel good about himself and that nothing was his fault and relieving him of his guilt. All Valerie did was sing his praises that entire speech and tying everything neatly in a bow by giving her blessings to him and Caroline.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 16, 2016 18:27:32 GMT -5
I am so happy for #justicefordamon. TPTB have to see that we don't like this and it's not working. Something's got to give. The funny thing is, if this show still had good writing, we would have faith that this would all be for a purpose and we would have "justice for Damon". Unfortunately, I don't think anyone trusts these writers anymore to do the right thing and it's sad. It's Julie Plec logic again. Seems she thinks Damon needs to apologize for desiccating when his brother and 'friend' didn't want him to and she tweeted that out as well as that he needs to own up to his mistakes and that we are too easy on him. LOL She really does hate Damon. Everyone else can do whatever the hell they want and don't have to be lambasted and then have to crawl back to people, but not Damon. Maybe she doesn't see the lopsidedness to it when everybody else has done things people didn't agree with but it was right for them at the time and they didn't get this treatment that Damon always gets. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 20:55:58 GMT -5
So here we've got a Dalaric road trip, which I normally love, but please don't let this be about how great Ric's life was without Damon in it the last 3 years. They hinted at it a little tonight when Ric said they've been living a safe normal life. Well Ric did give Matt the run around when he called and wasn't too pleased about jumping back into the supernatural craziness after so long so at least it wouldn't seem like he's only blasting Damon if a convo of the sort does occur. What would be annoying though if he pinned all of this on Damon, as if it's his fault that Stefan got stabbed with the sword and Rayna's body was brought to his house etc. and then go on to say how his life would be better without Damon.
I missed the days when the blame/criticism was justified coming from actual screw ups like the Jeremy neck snap, hastily feeding Elena his blood, or angering Katherine (leading to Jenna getting stabbed). Those were understandable. But now it's been annoying lately how it seems Damon is getting blamed for every little inconvenience in the plot. Sometimes he doesn't have to even be actively doing the 'bad' and characters still talk about how selfish he is or doesn't care about his brother. Just quoting myself to point out how this EXACT thing ended up happening lol. I guess this is really going to be the norm. Damon gets blamed for everything. The end. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 16, 2016 21:18:18 GMT -5
Well Ric did give Matt the run around when he called and wasn't too pleased about jumping back into the supernatural craziness after so long so at least it wouldn't seem like he's only blasting Damon if a convo of the sort does occur. What would be annoying though if he pinned all of this on Damon, as if it's his fault that Stefan got stabbed with the sword and Rayna's body was brought to his house etc. and then go on to say how his life would be better without Damon.
I missed the days when the blame/criticism was justified coming from actual screw ups like the Jeremy neck snap, hastily feeding Elena his blood, or angering Katherine (leading to Jenna getting stabbed). Those were understandable. But now it's been annoying lately how it seems Damon is getting blamed for every little inconvenience in the plot. Sometimes he doesn't have to even be actively doing the 'bad' and characters still talk about how selfish he is or doesn't care about his brother. Just quoting myself to point out how this EXACT thing ended up happening lol. I guess this is really going to be the norm. Damon gets blamed for everything. The end. Seems so...I don't think most fans are onboard with that and JP has been getting blasted, which she should be. Sometimes I think she forgets that 6 seasons have passed since season 1 Damon made his debut and he isn't who he used to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 21:50:39 GMT -5
Just quoting myself to point out how this EXACT thing ended up happening lol. I guess this is really going to be the norm. Damon gets blamed for everything. The end. Seems so...I don't think most fans are onboard with that and JP has been getting blasted, which she should be. Sometimes I think she forgets that 6 seasons have passed since season 1 Damon made his debut and he isn't who he used to be. Yeah she acts like she can't even remember her own writing and development for the character. And I hate her tweet responses when someone calls her out on it, she completely sweeps it under the rug and make us out to be idiots or something. Like we're going too easy on Damon, really? No we're just getting pissed off at you retconing the character development that you yourself sat there and scripted. Does she not watch her own show either? That would explain the huge discrepancy between what she says in her interviews and what we see on the show. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 16, 2016 22:03:22 GMT -5
Seems so...I don't think most fans are onboard with that and JP has been getting blasted, which she should be. Sometimes I think she forgets that 6 seasons have passed since season 1 Damon made his debut and he isn't who he used to be. Yeah she acts like she can't even remember her own writing and development for the character. And I hate her tweet responses when someone calls her out on it, she completely sweeps it under the rug and make us out to be idiots or something. Like we're going too easy on Damon, really? No we're just getting pissed off at you retconing the character development that you yourself sat there and scripted. Does she not watch her own show either? That would explain the huge discrepancy between what she says in her interviews and what we see on the show. I still don't even get where she is going with any of this. Is she trying to make Damon desperate enough for any kind of attention that he goes for Bonnie? Cause none of this makes a lick of sense to me. I can just see Damon now pleading with Bonnie not to hate him because he has nobody else...how freaking stupid! This show creates situations out of thin air and the BD thing is the biggest offender. If that actually happens I just might puke from disgust. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 16, 2016 22:57:14 GMT -5
Seems so...I don't think most fans are onboard with that and JP has been getting blasted, which she should be. Sometimes I think she forgets that 6 seasons have passed since season 1 Damon made his debut and he isn't who he used to be. Yeah she acts like she can't even remember her own writing and development for the character. And I hate her tweet responses when someone calls her out on it, she completely sweeps it under the rug and make us out to be idiots or something. Like we're going too easy on Damon, really? No we're just getting pissed off at you retconing the character development that you yourself sat there and scripted. Does she not watch her own show either? That would explain the huge discrepancy between what she says in her interviews and what we see on the show. We're all too easy on Damon? Really? No, the problem is that no one sees what he did as a big deal except for JP! We have watched Damon grow and seen what he has been through and watched his actions for 6 years. Everyone else took the situation for what it was - he was miserable without Elena, he tied up his loose ends before he did it and (thought) Stefan was safe, he didn't want to make any more rash decisions based on his feelings and misery. Finally, he decided to do something for himself. Damon's damned if he does damned if he doesn't because if he would have stayed out of that box, they would have found something else to blame him for! Case in point - Ric said, "I don't want you back in my life screwing things up". Why didn't they all just leave him in the God damn box then? AARRGGHH. This show! |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 17, 2016 0:25:51 GMT -5
Yeah she acts like she can't even remember her own writing and development for the character. And I hate her tweet responses when someone calls her out on it, she completely sweeps it under the rug and make us out to be idiots or something. Like we're going too easy on Damon, really? No we're just getting pissed off at you retconing the character development that you yourself sat there and scripted. Does she not watch her own show either? That would explain the huge discrepancy between what she says in her interviews and what we see on the show. We're all too easy on Damon? Really? No, the problem is that no one sees what he did as a big deal except for JP! We have watched Damon grow and seen what he has been through and watched his actions for 6 years. Everyone else took the situation for what it was - he was miserable without Elena, he tied up his loose ends before he did it and (thought) Stefan was safe, he didn't want to make any more rash decisions based on his feelings and misery. Finally, he decided to do something for himself. Damon's damned if he does damned if he doesn't because if he would have stayed out of that box, they would have found something else to blame him for! Case in point - Ric said, "I don't want you back in my life screwing things up". Why didn't they all just leave him in the God damn box then? AARRGGHH. This show! Yeah I wish he was in the box so I wouldn't have to watch this ridiculousness anymore until Elena comes back again and it makes some sense. |
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