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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 26, 2013 11:33:01 GMT -5
Further evidence of my theory? ? Ok this is really interesting ON TUMBLR But, seriously, she says “I was ready to fight you on this, but suddenly every part of my body is telling me to get in this car and leave you”. Suddenly. As in right then. As in right after looking at Shane in the window. Not when Damon said “I’m setting you free” or “You’re gonna go home”. Because some amount of time had to have passed before Elena and Bonnie leave the lake house. But she says “suddenly”. Okay, so I noticed this before, but here is some proof that Shane may have been hypnotizing Elena into leaving the lake house at the end of 4x09 and to ensure that she and Damon think they’re sired. In the first picture, you see a person in the window (it can only be Shane, everyone else is outside). In the second, you see Elena looking back and Jeremy (and the window where Shane is), before looking back at Damon and commenting on how she “was ready to fight [Damon] on this, but suddenly every part of [her] body is telling [her] to get in the car and leave [him]”. I looked back at this scene and I was thinking about it and it works with this theory of Elena being hypnotized, but why would Shane do this? Shane could be doing like what was stated above- to give them motivation for the cure, but if that is the case why go through such an elaborate scheme why not just hypnotize Elena in wanting the cure and if she wanted the cure then Damon and Stefan would want it too. Why make her fake sired? And would he even have to that because I am pretty sure that Elena would want the cure anyway. If anything she seems like she does not want the cure and only Damon and Stefan do and if she wasn't hypnotized she would want the cure.... is this making sense? So I think that he is controlling Damon, Jeremy, Bonnie. Because yes Jeremy is a hunter, but why does he only want to kill Elena. Not Stefan or Damon, but always dreaming about and wanting to kill Elena. That seems weird right? Then Damon he has had many conversations with Damon always with Damon accusing him of mass murder and always with Shane coming out fine in the end. I think that Stefan or Damon if they had those conversations would have looked into how to get rid of him instead of thinking they need him. He does have knowledge, but they have what he wants-Bonnie. So did he influence Damon to tell Elena to go so he could further hypnotize the three of them? It was Damon's idea to have Bonnie be Jeremy's humanity.... idk like I said just ideas but I think it is plausible and of course he could be doing it to all of them... good theory as well. I could see any of 'em being true. Teppy if you go to the first post sweet made with creating the theories thread she applied some rules to go by when discussing a theory just so you dont get misunderstood check it out. You have to set it up as like pros and.cons :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 11:35:32 GMT -5
For Vampire diaries to pull this off I would give them major props but be.pissed as well hahahahah gotta love tv drama ;D Me too! If any of these are true they did a great job and even though I read this stuff I will still be shocked if they are true.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 11:36:53 GMT -5
I looked back at this scene and I was thinking about it and it works with this theory of Elena being hypnotized, but why would Shane do this? Shane could be doing like what was stated above- to give them motivation for the cure, but if that is the case why go through such an elaborate scheme why not just hypnotize Elena in wanting the cure and if she wanted the cure then Damon and Stefan would want it too. Why make her fake sired? And would he even have to that because I am pretty sure that Elena would want the cure anyway. If anything she seems like she does not want the cure and only Damon and Stefan do and if she wasn't hypnotized she would want the cure.... is this making sense? So I think that he is controlling Damon, Jeremy, Bonnie. Because yes Jeremy is a hunter, but why does he only want to kill Elena. Not Stefan or Damon, but always dreaming about and wanting to kill Elena. That seems weird right? Then Damon he has had many conversations with Damon always with Damon accusing him of mass murder and always with Shane coming out fine in the end. I think that Stefan or Damon if they had those conversations would have looked into how to get rid of him instead of thinking they need him. He does have knowledge, but they have what he wants-Bonnie. So did he influence Damon to tell Elena to go so he could further hypnotize the three of them? It was Damon's idea to have Bonnie be Jeremy's humanity.... idk like I said just ideas but I think it is plausible and of course he could be doing it to all of them... good theory as well. I could see any of 'em being true. Teppy if you go to the first post sweet made with creating the theories thread she applied some rules to go by when discussing a theory just so you dont get misunderstood check it out. You have to set it up as like pros and.cons :-) I thought you could post a theory and people that respond had to do a pros and cons? Otherwise how do you post new theories?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 26, 2013 11:38:11 GMT -5
You're still reinforcing it with this post. If you want to debate Damon's likelihood of killing someone just because, then make a debate about it cause I do not agree with that statement. There'd be alot more dead people in MF if it were true. I don't want to debate that. It is just a part of my theory and a personality trait that I associate with Damon. If that part of theory does not ring true to you that is fine you do not have to comment on it or just say you think it is not going to be true because you do not think Damon would do that. I was not trying to start a debate I was just stating a theory... that's all. *This is for everyone, so I pointed it out for a reason and I'm using it as an example. This is a general thread and we should try not to post controversial things about characters here. Nobody should just ignore controversial things and just not comment. They are also free to notify a moderator of offensive posts on all sides if they are not in the proper sections for such and that is preferable. And that's exactly why we have different sections where things are allowed or not allowed and moderators or it would be a free for all like so many other forums that are basically unmoderated and people hurt each others feelings all the time. It's my goal to avoid that as much as is possible.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 26, 2013 11:40:43 GMT -5
Teppy if you go to the first post sweet made with creating the theories thread she applied some rules to go by when discussing a theory just so you dont get misunderstood check it out. You have to set it up as like pros and.cons :-) I thought you could post a theory and people that respond had to do a pros and cons? Otherwise how do you post new theories? Oh yea I thought you was discussing Sweets Theory when you quoted her thats y I said that
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 11:42:26 GMT -5
well consider my feelings hurt... I was not intending on starting drama or hurting feelings, but if it is your goal not to do so this could have been handled privately.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 26, 2013 11:42:53 GMT -5
I had my doubts as to if this would work in a general thread for this very reason. I'm thinking if we are going to post controversial theories involving certain characters in a negative light, which is highly likely to happen, then it might need to be in the debate section.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 26, 2013 11:44:59 GMT -5
well consider my feelings hurt... I was not intending on starting drama or hurting feelings, but if it is your goal not to do so this could have been handled privately. You continued it in the thread. I responded. You could have PMd me if you wanted it private. It also still does apply to everyone so it's good for all to know. This thread could be a problem if it goes a certain direction and I might have to move it to debates if so, or we can keep it non-controversial like it should be.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 26, 2013 11:47:15 GMT -5
I dont think what Teppy said was controversial she made a comment about Damon and it wasnt even a bad one necessarily. We all like Damon we know when he suspects someone is off he wants them done with but he always gives reason for it hence what he.told Tyler at the Mystic Falls pagent and Tyler was like Good point. I could be a fan of shane and taken offense to the whole sirebond theory. I just think we should put our ship minds aside when discussing theories and think TVd perspective. Im willing to do that for everyone
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 26, 2013 11:56:10 GMT -5
I didn't ask if anyone agreed with me. Some of you will and some of you won't. But, I'm moderating the board and I found it controversial to say we KNOW Damon would have killed Shane so he must be hypnotized. We don't know any such thing about Damon until it happens. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't, and that was the point to my response to her. If she hadn't carried it on further it would have ended there so let's end it now. OK?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 26, 2013 11:57:42 GMT -5
Bumping to debates so everyone feels free to respond with their opinions. I think this is a good example of why it should be there to begin with.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 26, 2013 11:59:38 GMT -5
Moved. Now you can say what you want, controversial or otherwise and everyone can respond to it as well. I hope that solves it. Carry on.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 26, 2013 14:02:32 GMT -5
Ok please don't stop writing theories! Now it's in debates where I thought it probably should go. I actually am going to blame myself here not any member or mod. I was a little naive to think it could be done without anyone's opinions which is hard to do when discussing a theory because you feel a certain character is capable of killing in certain situations and that is why your theory works. So I'm glad it's moved to debates! But i will say this... I could care less if ANYONE has something to say about a character trait and someone disagrees... What I don't want is a DE vs SE theory thread or a Brother feud thread for that matter. I want to stick it to being just ideas and theories and if your theory has a controversial personality trait comment reflecting or helping your theory I'm fine with that and everyone can debate why they don't like that theory.
Let's just post theories and talk about them whether we agree or not and post evidence etc etc but be polite to one another while doing it. That is all I ask for.
Give me a moment and I will respond to your Damon being hypnotized theory Teppy. And thanks Doppel for moving the thread I think it needed to be here anyway and my rules weren't going to really work anyway and that's why I debated on whether to put it in debates or not. So I think this is where it needs to be anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 14:08:40 GMT -5
Ok please don't stop writing theories! Now it's in debates where I thought it probably should go. I actually am going to blame myself here not any member or mod. I was a little naive to think it could be done without anyone's opinions which is hard to do when discussing a theory because you feel a certain character is capable of killing in certain situations and that is why your theory works. So I'm glad it's moved to debates! But i will say this... I could care less if ANYONE has something to say about a character trait and someone disagrees... What I don't want is a DE vs SE theory thread or a Brother feud thread for that matter. I want to stick it to being just ideas and theories and if your theory has a controversial personality trait comment reflecting or helping your theory I'm fine with that and everyone can debate why they don't like that theory. Let's just post theories and talk about them whether we agree or not and post evidence etc etc but be polite to one another while doing it. That is all I ask for. Give me a moment and I will respond to your Damon being hypnotized theory Teppy. And thanks Doppel for moving the thread I think it needed to be here anyway and my rules weren't going to really work anyway and that's why I debated on whether to put it in debates or not. So I think this is where it needs to be anyway. agreed. My theory is not as well documented (i don't think) or do I have much evidence (yet) as it is just a twist I thought of while trying to defend your theory actually so I will be interested to see your thoughts on it.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 26, 2013 14:18:15 GMT -5
Further evidence of my theory? ? Ok this is really interesting ON TUMBLR But, seriously, she says “I was ready to fight you on this, but suddenly every part of my body is telling me to get in this car and leave you”. Suddenly. As in right then. As in right after looking at Shane in the window. Not when Damon said “I’m setting you free” or “You’re gonna go home”. Because some amount of time had to have passed before Elena and Bonnie leave the lake house. But she says “suddenly”. Okay, so I noticed this before, but here is some proof that Shane may have been hypnotizing Elena into leaving the lake house at the end of 4x09 and to ensure that she and Damon think they’re sired. In the first picture, you see a person in the window (it can only be Shane, everyone else is outside). In the second, you see Elena looking back and Jeremy (and the window where Shane is), before looking back at Damon and commenting on how she “was ready to fight [Damon] on this, but suddenly every part of [her] body is telling [her] to get in the car and leave [him]”. I looked back at this scene and I was thinking about it and it works with this theory of Elena being hypnotized, but why would Shane do this? Shane could be doing like what was stated above- to give them motivation for the cure, but if that is the case why go through such an elaborate scheme why not just hypnotize Elena in wanting the cure and if she wanted the cure then Damon and Stefan would want it too. Why make her fake sired? And would he even have to that because I am pretty sure that Elena would want the cure anyway. If anything she seems like she does not want the cure and only Damon and Stefan do and if she wasn't hypnotized she would want the cure.... is this making sense? So I think that he is controlling Damon, Jeremy, Bonnie. Because yes Jeremy is a hunter, but why does he only want to kill Elena. Not Stefan or Damon, but always dreaming about and wanting to kill Elena. That seems weird right? Then Damon he has had many conversations with Damon always with Damon accusing him of mass murder and always with Shane coming out fine in the end. I think that Stefan or Damon if they had those conversations would have looked into how to get rid of him instead of thinking they need him. He does have knowledge, but they have what he wants-Bonnie. So did he influence Damon to tell Elena to go so he could further hypnotize the three of them? It was Damon's idea to have Bonnie be Jeremy's humanity.... idk like I said just ideas but I think it is plausible and of course he could be doing it to all of them... good theory as well. I could see any of 'em being true. Ok so why do I think Elena is not sired... Why do I think it's not solely Damon being hypnotized.... At the Miss Mystic Dance Elena was VERY upset at Stefan for what he was making Jeremy do with the Mark. She said out loud I don't want the "cure" if it's going to put Jeremy in danger. As soon as everyone found out Elena was "sired" if was all OK WHERE IS THE CURE NOW!!! Even Elena was on board with it until this latest episode when Klaus turned all those people. Damon was like egh... I'll get the cure for you brother but remember this I like her either way. So Damon was just getting the cure for Stefan and Elena didn't want the cure if it was going to hurt Jeremy. The only person who was dying to get that cure was Stefan and Klaus. Stefan because he wanted to right his wrongs and he wanted to get Elena back to (who he wanted or was before whatever you believe) human. Klaus wanted a blood bag! Here comes Damon and Elena they are together now. No need to find a cure for Elena anymore because Elena is a vampire and she chose me and we are happy. The whole motivation for the cure is gone for Damon. He heard her tell Stefan about Jeremy too so he is like F the Cure!!! Elena is all happy with Damon. She just told Stefan she didn't want the cure anymore and to leave Jeremy out of it. These two had they not found out they were sired would have went weeks without wanting the cure until someone would have said BTW your sired. Both had no motivation for it at that point. But..... Klaus places a bug in Caroline's mind. Here Stefan goes to her all sad and they are talking to death about DE and then it clicks in Cares head and the first thing that comes out of her mouth is OMG I now know why Klaus was so interested in DE. When Stefan and Elena broke up that set the cure up in the air. The guy who was fighting for the cure to turn her human is no longer her boyfriend and she broke up with him to be with the guy who didn't care about the cure if Elena was happy being a vampire and or was doing it for his brother. But Damon wouldn't do it for Stefan anymore and Damon was fine with Elena either way so why would Damon even care about the cure anymore unless Elena was adamant about having it which she really never was. It was more so Stefan that was into finding it. Yes she made comments but we never saw Elena out searching for the cure or making steps to find the cure. You add the sire bond you ad motivation. These two people who love each other want it to be real. Damon so insecure not knowing if it could be real and Elena so secure and confident it is. Damon would find the cure to just break the bond to see if it is real and Elena who knows it is would break the bond to prove her feelings are real. Now you have the new boyfriend and the doppelganger back on board. Now you have Jeremy on board BIG time because not only does he want Elena human but I'd think he'd be ok if she was ok being a vampire, but he knows that she cant live bonded to Damon. Stefan who was defeated when Elena chose Damon now has extra motivation to prove that in fact she ONLY chose Damon because of SB so he's gung ho about the cure and is extra extra motivated! Elena being human was motivation enough. but Elena being sired to Damon to these people is a national crisis. Elena being a vampire was motivation but Elena being sired well HELL NO she cant be sired. AND especially not to Damon! Cares on board, Bonnie's on board, Jeremy's on board, Matt's on board... We know Stefan's on board. Klaus just wants blood and Damon and Elena just want to be happy. Manipulate the sire bond you have a national crisis! It's called Problem, reaction solution. Create a problem, it causes a reaction and then from that reaction we have people fighting for a solution.
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