|
|
Post by Slash on Jan 15, 2012 19:16:49 GMT -5
I guess what it comes down to is that I feel that Elena should know that Stefan is not dead (ghost) or whatever and I hated that correlation it made no sense to me. A couple things bugged me this season with Elena. Elena saying "We will just have to let him go." I was like   because she should not be able to do that, to say that. I understand she was confused, but she has been saying to anyone who will listen that she knows Stefan better then anyone, well she should know that Stefan must have had reason. Not just think the worst of him immediately. I understand why most would, but this is Elena. The person who self proclaims to know him best. I was disappointed with that statement.  Kissing Damon back. I understand it was one kiss and DE fans were happy, but the timing was awful. She finds out why Stefan did what he did to make her say "let him go" and then what does she do she kisses Damon. It baffled me that she could do that THEN. If it was prior to finding out that would be a different story, but immediately after realizing that there is obviously still good inside Stefan she kisses Damon back.   I know she has been doing her best getting through this whole thing and Damon has been a huge help, but I just feel like she loves Stefan and I do believe she knows him better then anyone, even Damon, imo, but that is for a different discussion. I just want her to continue to fight for him. If she learned from Lexi then she knows that Stefan puts up walls, just like anyone else and love and persistence will tear them down because he can only fight it off for so long. I think Elena was wrong about saying Damon was going to be the one to save Stefan. I think it will take them both to do that. Damon needs to stop with the whole I love you Elena poor me you are my brothers girls and Elena needs to stop with trying to figure out her feelings because right now it should not be about that. I know this is off topic, Damon needs to stop being selfish and trying to benefit from this situation  and focus on helping his brother soley. Deal with the feelings later. It is just making things more complicated. He is always running to Elena making sure she is okay. I am sick of everyone making sure she is okay. No makes sure Bonnie is okay and SUPRISE she is handling things pretty good. Elena does not need Damon or anyone else to make sure of it. Elena is a strong person and yes when there are crazy things going on help, but checking in all the time that is more for Damon then it is for Elena in my opinion. I was happy she told Damon he can't kiss her. He needs to stop because it is inappropriate at the moment. I was happy she said it is not right because it is not. Like I said Stefan is not dead, just because he has changed, does not mean he deserves to be lied to essentially. If they are going to be kissing at the end of each night (Damon would try you know he would) Stefan deserves to know. Whether he realizes Damon and Elena are closer now then when he left or not he deserves to be told. And yes right now would be a bad time for him to find something like that out, but every action has consequences. Elena honestly can't make that statement when Damon is around. Ever. The only person that knows Stefan best, outside of himself, is Damon and likewise. As far as finding out that there is still some 'good' in Stefan, I've mentioned it before: Stefan has 2 parts of him that hate one another and don't get along. The only quality that is constant between the 2 is their love for Damon. Elena using that as a gauge or a sign of hope is stretching it by the very definition of the word. Stefan has made it known time and again that he cares little/if at all for her and was willing to let Jeremy bite it as well. Damon's life on the line? He'll relent (Klaus having his Hybrids really to kill him if Klaus died, Mikael ready to rip out his heart). I just can't fathom how she knows him better than anyone when for the most part, she's only known 1 Stefan and Damon has known Human Stefan, Good Stefan and Ripper Stefan for some 160+ years. For Elena to come along and know him for what, a year and half, better than his own Brother who has been watching him all this time? That's just not flying with me. How selfish is Damon? Damon had Andie back in his life to keep him preoccupied amongst other things (like he had her the first time). Stefan took that away. Damon has leashed himself pretty well through all this time because he doesn't want to feel guilty about going after Elena when Stefan is in the position he's in cause he saved Damon's life but now that Stefan is 'free', he brings this crap back down on them so he's kind of giving himself some more slack on his leash with Elena since Stefan doesn't seem to be coming back anytime soon. As for Bonnie not getting checked up on...what's new? Jeremy is gone, Elena & Caroline have their own problems that trump Bonnie, Bonnie has no family on the show so who's going to check up on her? They don't have enough air-time for Bonnie being checked up on. If Elena has a troubling encounter, someone is there for her cause that seems to be her entitlement. If Caroline has an issue, she can take her pick of Tyler, Matt, her mom and now Big Mack Klaus. Bonnie? Matt if she's lucky. Everyone else is preoccupied, gone or dead. |
|
|
|
Post by thebabe20 on Jan 15, 2012 19:27:21 GMT -5
I guess what it comes down to is that I feel that Elena should know that Stefan is not dead (ghost) or whatever and I hated that correlation it made no sense to me. A couple things bugged me this season with Elena. Elena saying "We will just have to let him go." I was like because she should not be able to do that, to say that. I understand she was confused, but she has been saying to anyone who will listen that she knows Stefan better then anyone, well she should know that Stefan must have had reason. Not just think the worst of him immediately. I understand why most would, but this is Elena. The person who self proclaims to know him best. I was disappointed with that statement. At that point I think they believed Stefan betrayed them, they didn't know that he did it to save Damon so of coursed they'd both be upset. Not only did their plan fail leaving Klaus still undead, but Stefan just ran off and skipped town without providing any explanation for what he did. At that point I think Elena believed if Stefan could screw them over and skip town leaving them vulnerable to Klaus's attacks then he was gone and there was nothing either she or Damon could do about, apart from let him go. TBH I think she said this more for Damon's benefit then her own. He was obviously beating himself up and she wanted to offer her support and reassurance. And TBH even if Elena's claiming to know Stefan better than anyone I think this season has shown that it's quite the opposite. There was so much she hardly knew about him, that was brought to her attention by Damon and others. So I think Elena's claims that she knows Stefan better than anyone were set up to be contradicted. I think there are plenty who know Stefan better than Elena. Damon, Lexie, and I'd go as far as saying even Katherine does. Elena cannot know Stefan the way she claims because there's so much of him that she hardly even knew about like his past as a ripper. This was brand new information to Elena this season, yet all those people I listed above have a better thorough knowledge of Stefan than Elena ever did. Kissing Damon back. I understand it was one kiss and DE fans were happy, but the timing was awful. She finds out why Stefan did what he did to make her say "let him go" and then what does she do she kisses Damon. It baffled me that she could do that THEN. If it was prior to finding out that would be a different story, but immediately after realizing that there is obviously still good inside Stefan she kisses Damon back. Well I knew this wasn't going to sit well with SE fans, but I think that moment had absolutely nothing to do with Stefan. This was just Elena reciprocating feelings that she has had for Damon for quite some time. I personally wouldn't have it any other way but then of course I am a DE fan so there goes my bias. I'm glad she kissed Damon even knowing that Stefan was not completely gone, because it proves that her feelings for Damon are not contingent upon whether or not Stefan is good or evil. She has feelings for Damon that are independent of whatever she feels for Stefan. She wasn't kissing Damon just because Stefan happened to be bad at the moment. At any rate even though Stefan is not gone, he still betrayed her and he still almost got her loved ones killed. So whether he's good or not, she doesn't have to keep carrying a torch for him, while he's causing her so much grief. I know she has been doing her best getting through this whole thing and Damon has been a huge help, but I just feel like she loves Stefan and I do believe she knows him better then anyone, even Damon, imo, but that is for a different discussion. I just want her to continue to fight for him. If she learned from Lexi then she knows that Stefan puts up walls, just like anyone else and love and persistence will tear them down because he can only fight it off for so long. I think Elena was wrong about saying Damon was going to be the one to save Stefan. I think it will take them both to do that. Damon needs to stop with the whole I love you Elena poor me you are my brothers girls and Elena needs to stop with trying to figure out her feelings because right now it should not be about that. The way I look at it, Elena has done more than enough fighting for Stefan. It's Stefan who refuses to fight, and as long as he refuses to fight, no amount of fighting from Elena will change anything. If Stefan wants to change he's going to have to make that decision, nothing Elena can say or do will change anything. I don't understand why Elena must put her entire life on hold to be persistent and fight for Stefan, when Stefan is perfectly able to make his own decisions. Stefan is not under compulsion, he's not under anyone else's control. He's doing all of this because HE WANTS TO. He's hurting her and traumatizing her, but she should just suck it up and continue to fight for him? This sounds like the most abusive thing ever, and I would never want to see Elena doing that. As far as I'm concerned Elena has done ENOUGH! It's all up to Stefan now if he wants to change and seek forgiveness and redemption. It's not Elena's responsibility to coddle Stefan and save him from himself. He needs to that on his own, he's the only one who can do it. Not Damon, or Elena or Lexi or anyone else. I know this is off topic, Damon needs to stop being selfish and trying to benefit from this situation and focus on helping his brother soley. Deal with the feelings later. It is just making things more complicated. He is always running to Elena making sure she is okay. I am sick of everyone making sure she is okay. No makes sure Bonnie is okay and SUPRISE she is handling things pretty good. Elena does not need Damon or anyone else to make sure of it. Elena is a strong person and yes when there are crazy things going on help, but checking in all the time that is more for Damon then it is for Elena in my opinion. I was happy she told Damon he can't kiss her. He needs to stop because it is inappropriate at the moment. I was happy she said it is not right because it is not. How has Damon tried to take advantage of the situation? If Damon wanted to take advantage of the situation he would have never come clean about Stefan only sparing Klaus to save his life. Last episode instead of admitting he was proud of Stefan, he would have sided with Elena and tried to paint Stefan as the bad guy. Which Stefan has done numerous times to him in the past. So Damon is not allowed to check up on Elena and make sure she's okay after having a difficult night? Are you saying he's not being genuine and he's only doing it for some ulterior motive? Damon loves Elena and if she's upset or hurt by something of course he'll try and comfort her. Just like she does for him. Stefan comforted Elena all the time whenever she went through something I don't see what the big deal is. And as far as Elena telling him not to kiss her, I think it was clear by her expression and the way her voice broke that it was actually the opposite of what she wanted, but she told him she couldn't do it, because him kissing her is obviously affected her a great deal. It's making her confused and a little frightened, and on top of all the things she needs to sort out, she doesn't need one more thing on her mind. Like I said Stefan is not dead, just because he has changed, does not mean he deserves to be lied to essentially. If they are going to be kissing at the end of each night (Damon would try you know he would) Stefan deserves to know. Whether he realizes Damon and Elena are closer now then when he left or not he deserves to be told. And yes right now would be a bad time for him to find something like that out, but every action has consequences. Why does Stefan deserve anything? Stefan essentially threw them out to the wolves and is putting them in danger. Maybe Damon might feel he owes his brother some kind of explanation, but I don't think Elena owes Stefan ANYTHING after the crap he's pulled. Stefan should not be her priority as she sure as hell isn't his. Her feelings don't matter to him, so why should she be taking his into account? What I keep reading is even though Stefan is being a douche and emotionally abusive to Elena right now, she still owes him to keep fighting and not act on her feelings for his brother! I guess I'll never get it. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 19:39:05 GMT -5
I'm gonna put my thoughts in ( ) so you know where they fit into your comment.... thought that would be easier!!!  (She meant meaning someone who is there essentially that you cant have or have a real relationship because they aren't there) (When she said that I think she was caught up in the betrayal. She knew Stefan was still compelled and she thought maybe if they could tweak his compulsion they might be able to have something to work with to fight and get Stefan back. When he saved Klaus for no reason at all just soooo random she didn't know what the hell was going on with him. At this point Stefan is still compelled and unless Klaus un-compels him he is ripper douche Stefan and since she didn't think Klaus would un-compel him anytime soon she knew Stefan was gonna stay that way... plus Klaus left town and Mikael their one hope of killing Klaus was dead. I understood what she meant. She didn't mean let him go in the sense of stop trying. I think she means in getting caught up in hope to be let down and the emotional after effects of that. It's tiring! It's exhausting. The two them have tried everything and unless Klaus gives him his free will back or they kill Klaus Stefan is a lost cause...) He is there though. He was never a lost cause. There was so many times that he proved that. Lexi said in that episode "He is in there Elena." Lexi could see it, Elena should be able to too. She let Lexi go saying she new what to do. Did she? Because she let me him go pretty quickly after that. I mean I get why she said it and I know a lot happened from Point A to Point B, I do. I am just saying that line made me sad and I could not believe she meant it. (disagree with this!!! Not about if the kiss was right but that she thought there was good in Damon. All it proved to her is 1. he was still compelled but could fight for Damon not her because he told her Jer was not his problem in the same episode!! or 2. Stefan is not compelled, helped Damon and still wont help her! I highly doubt she took that as a good thing but as a sting toward her importance when it came to Stefan. i think she learned Stefan doesn't care regardless if he is compelled or not. he just doesn't yet he helped Damon but wont help her brother. Must have hurt. I think it would have hurt less it being from the compelled Stefan then from a free will Stefan) "I knew you would catch me." She was not going to die from that fall, well it was unlikely, if so there would be no reson for that line because yes, he was compelled to catch her, but he caught her because he didn't want her to get hurt. He looked at her when he caught her and there was a moment. There have been moment all over the place where you can say STEFAN I SEE YOU!!!  Elena saw that one she did, short-lived or not she felt that he was there. That is compelled Stefan. Now I get why she was upset about Jeremy, but to me Stefan was upset that he put Jeremy in danger you can tell he cares. Even when he pretends not to. Elena could always see past that in Damon and I just wish she was doing that with Stefan. Call him out. I don't get why she isn't calling him out and I can see it is because she believes this and that as an SE fan is like ouch.
(In Your opinion indeed bc I think that the brothers know each other best) (I think it will be Damon 100% and it better be Damon. If it was the other way around I'd want it to be Stefan!) Yes they know each other in the sense that they have been brothers for 145 years, but they and really as of recently Damon have not really attempted to understand each other. To look for the best in each other. I think Damon will be a HUGE part of saving Stefan, but I think Elena will be a part of that too and without Elena I am not sure it will be enough. That opinion may change though... I go back and forth that one. (I don't think he is trying to benefit AT ALL) Hmmm I don't know I question that A LOT (obviously) (Stefan left Damon someone he knows is in love with Elena to watch after her and protect her.... I think Stefan is to blame as well for their developing love... More than one occasion Stefan has asked Damon to watch or protect Elena knowing that Damon was in love with her... I don't feel too bad for Steffy right now... Damon cant always just protect his brothers girl and his brother cant use him to do it knowing he loves her too for his OWN benefit!!! NOT FAIR!!!) I agree with you here, but really Stefan is asking, but knowing Damon will do it anyway... so yes not fair to a point, but it is not like if Stefan didn't ask that Damon would have left Mystic Falls.(hahaha Bonnie isn't part if the love triangle on the show dear. no one wants to see Damon running to Bonnie if you're not a Bamon. We want to see Damon protecting our heroine. The girl we want him to fall in love with. The writers know that so they write it into the show. Simple..) I am not saying he should be running to Bonnie. He should not be running to anyone. I want to see Elena as independent. Like I see Bonnie. She does not need someone consoling her all the time and telling her how great she is to believe it. I am not even a Bamon fan for the show. That is not what I meant. (I don't think it's inappropriate at this moment but I'd like Damon to not kiss her again. I loved the kiss. It did so much as far as developing DE but another kiss WHICH Damon wasn't even gonna do would be horrible. And Damon btw picked up a stranded Elena that night and dropped her off. he would be an ass had he not done so or seen if she was ok after that ordeal.) I get that, but to always need to put the moves on... to an SE fan it gets old. The porch is the new Elena Bedroom. (I hope Stefan finds out soon but I could care less if he finds out right now while he is being an ASS sorry!! DE kissing is not as bad as endangering everyone. To me they owe him nothing right now. But when he starts to show signs of caring about them again and starts showing a road to redemption they should tell him!)
He is being an ASS, but he hates at much as anyone else. That is Stefan. To me I say that as fact and I know people don't believe it and maybe it can't be proven just yet, but I have no doubt that it will be. So yeah I think he needs to be told. He deserves the truth, everyone does. Didn't Jenna say that? |
|
|
|
Post by thebabe20 on Jan 15, 2012 19:59:58 GMT -5
I just wanted to add that I feel like some fans look at Stefan as still Klaus's victim. Stefan is not a victim anymore, and the decisions he's making are his own. No one is forcing his hand at anything anymore, there is no one to blame for what Stefan is doing except Stefan himself. What Stefan is doing is very much a part of who he is, surely we didn't actually believe in this "all around good guy" that he was portrayed as for the past two seasons.
So I will never understand this notion that someone needs to save him or be persistent with him, until he changes. If Stefan doesn't want to do something, he's not going to no matter what anyone says or does. He's the one who needs to decide to change. Elena and Damon have given him all their support and everything else they could. It's not up to them anymore to make Stefan change, and Stefan is not a victim of anyone but his own self loathing and guilt complex.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 20:04:12 GMT -5
And TBH even if Elena's claiming to know Stefan better than anyone I think this season has shown that it's quite the opposite. There was so much she hardly knew about him, that was brought to her attention by Damon and others. So I think Elena's claims that she knows Stefan better than anyone were set up to be contradicted. I think there are plenty who know Stefan better than Elena. Damon, Lexie, and I'd go as far as saying even Katherine does. Elena cannot know Stefan the way she claims because there's so much of him that she hardly even knew about like his past as a ripper. This was brand new information to Elena this season, yet all those people I listed above have a better thorough knowledge of Stefan than Elena ever did. Lexi I may agree with you on, but being that she is dead, I am not sure she counts. Elena knows Stefan inside. His past has made him who he is and it is a part of him no doubt, but you do not need to know every detail of a person to know who that person is. To understand that person better then anyone else. I don't think so at least.Well I knew this wasn't going to sit well with SE fans, but I think that moment had absolutely nothing to do with Stefan. This was just Elena reciprocating feelings that she has had for Damon for quite some time. I personally wouldn't have it any other way but then of course I am a DE fan so there goes my bias. I'm glad she kissed Damon even knowing that Stefan was not completely gone, because it proves that her feelings for Damon are not contingent upon whether or not Stefan is good or evil. She has feelings for Damon that are independent of whatever she feels for Stefan. She wasn't kissing Damon just because Stefan happened to be bad at the moment. At any rate even though Stefan is not gone, he still betrayed her and he still almost got her loved ones killed. So whether he's good or not, she doesn't have to keep carrying a torch for him, while he's causing her so much grief. The way I look at it, Elena has done more than enough fighting for Stefan. It's Stefan who refuses to fight, and as long as he refuses to fight, no amount of fighting from Elena will change anything. If Stefan wants to change he's going to have to make that decision, nothing Elena can say or do will change anything. I don't understand why Elena must put her entire life on hold to be persistent and fight for Stefan, when Stefan is perfectly able to make his own decisions. Stefan is not under compulsion, he's not under anyone else's control. He's doing all of this because HE WANTS TO. He's hurting her and traumatizing her, but she should just suck it up and continue to fight for him? This sounds like the most abusive thing ever, and I would never want to see Elena doing that. As far as I'm concerned Elena has done ENOUGH! It's all up to Stefan now if he wants to change and seek forgiveness and redemption. It's not Elena's responsibility to coddle Stefan and save him from himself. He needs to that on his own, he's the only one who can do it. Not Damon, or Elena or Lexi or anyone else. I agree, to a point, but if she loves him it is not putting her life on hold it would be second nature. You would not be able to look at Stefan and not want to fight for him. I do not want to her to put up with his B.S. I liked the car scene because she called him out a little, as best she could given the circumstance. I liked she stabbed him and told him that it makes her strong. That is the Elena he needs. I was just a little defeated because the reaction I think many SE fans thought they were going to get and what they got was hmmm pretty much opposite. It was a step backward instead of a step forward. I get what you are saying though and there are many parts I agree with. How has Damon tried to take advantage of the situation? If Damon wanted to take advantage of the situation he would have never come clean about Stefan only sparing Klaus to save his life. Last episode instead of admitting he was proud of Stefan, he would have sided with Elena and tried to paint Stefan as the bad guy. Which Stefan has done numerous times to him in the past. So Damon is not allowed to check up on Elena and make sure she's okay after having a difficult night? Are you saying he's not being genuine and he's only doing it for some ulterior motive? Damon loves Elena and if she's upset or hurt by something of course he'll try and comfort her. Just like she does for him. Stefan comforted Elena all the time whenever she went through something I don't see what the big deal is. And as far as Elena telling him not to kiss her, I think it was clear by her expression and the way her voice broke that it was actually the opposite of what she wanted, but she told him she couldn't do it, because him kissing her is obviously affected her a great deal. It's making her confused and a little frightened, and on top of all the things she needs to sort out, she doesn't need one more thing on her mind. He is allowed, but does he always have to put the moves on? I mean can he ever realize time and place. I don't know maybe DE moments like that just kinda irritate me. It just seems like ill timing not and a lot of class. There is no real way to make a love triangle classy though I guess.  
sidenote:I like how people can hear a break in her voice, but not Stefan's   Why does Stefan deserve anything? Stefan essentially threw them out to the wolves and is putting them in danger. Maybe Damon might feel he owes his brother some kind of explanation, but I don't think Elena owes Stefan ANYTHING after the crap he's pulled. Stefan should not be her priority as she sure as hell isn't his. Her feelings don't matter to him, so why should she be taking his into account? What I keep reading is even though Stefan is being a douche and emotionally abusive to Elena right now, she still owes him to keep fighting and not act on her feelings for his brother! I guess I'll never get it. Why does Stefan deserve anything? He is family, he sacrificed himself for them. He shows signs of being in there.The list goes on.....
Klaus would have been a problem no matter what. He was not just going to leave them alone. It wasn't going to happen it was only a matter of time Klaus would want Elena again and then he would have his family to back him up. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 20:09:46 GMT -5
I just wanted to add that I feel like some fans look at Stefan as still Klaus's victim. Stefan is not a victim anymore, and the decisions he's making are his own. No one is forcing his hand at anything anymore, there is no one to blame for what Stefan is doing except Stefan himself. What Stefan is doing is very much a part of who he is, surely we didn't actually believe in this "all around good guy" that he was portrayed as for the past two seasons. So I will never understand this notion that someone needs to save him or be persistent with him, until he changes. If Stefan doesn't want to do something, he's not going to no matter what anyone says or does. He's the one who needs to decide to change. Elena and Damon have given him all their support and everything else they could. It's not up to them anymore to make Stefan change, and Stefan is not a victim of anyone but his own self loathing and guilt complex. I just do not want her stop believing he is in there still. The Stefan she loves. She doesn't have to do a thing, but believe that. That is all I want from her and Damon. |
|
|
|
Post by Slash on Jan 15, 2012 20:24:52 GMT -5
I just wanted to add that I feel like some fans look at Stefan as still Klaus's victim. Stefan is not a victim anymore, and the decisions he's making are his own. No one is forcing his hand at anything anymore, there is no one to blame for what Stefan is doing except Stefan himself. What Stefan is doing is very much a part of who he is, surely we didn't actually believe in this "all around good guy" that he was portrayed as for the past two seasons. So I will never understand this notion that someone needs to save him or be persistent with him, until he changes. If Stefan doesn't want to do something, he's not going to no matter what anyone says or does. He's the one who needs to decide to change. Elena and Damon have given him all their support and everything else they could. It's not up to them anymore to make Stefan change, and Stefan is not a victim of anyone but his own self loathing and guilt complex. I just do not want her stop believing he is in there still. The Stefan she loves. She doesn't have to do a thing, but believe that. That is all I want from her and Damon. I'm sure Damon knows this. Stefan may be a little further out there than he's been before but I think it's a given that 'good' Stefan is just forbidden to play for the time being, just like 'Ripper' Stefan was when Elena first met him. Same situation. Why Elena is all of a sudden thinking this situation is any different than before is beyond me. There just needs to be a spark to get the other out and in this case, I think Stefan is committed to keeping his other half locked up till Klaus is done with. Elena might not like it but she'll have to deal with it for the time being. |
|
steboangel07
Full Member
"Waiting patiently for this moment."
Posts: 113
|
Post by steboangel07 on Jan 15, 2012 20:32:02 GMT -5
I just do not want her stop believing he is in there still. The Stefan she loves. She doesn't have to do a thing, but believe that. That is all I want from her and Damon. I'm sure Damon knows this. Stefan may be a little further out there than he's been before but I think it's a given that 'good' Stefan is just forbidden to play for the time being, just like 'Ripper' Stefan was when Elena first met him. Same situation. Why Elena is all of a sudden thinking this situation is any different than before is beyond me. There just needs to be a spark to get the other out and in this case, I think Stefan is committed to keeping his other half locked up till Klaus is done with. Elena might not like it but she'll have to deal with it for the time being. I was about that write something similar to what you wrote. The problem I have with Elena , that she didn't hold on as she told Stefan to do. She stop believe in him when he needed the most. I think she's very conflicted right now, that's the reason I don't think DE or SE will be good for her right now. |
|
|
|
Post by pixiestyx on Jan 15, 2012 20:50:59 GMT -5
I'm sure Damon knows this. Stefan may be a little further out there than he's been before but I think it's a given that 'good' Stefan is just forbidden to play for the time being, just like 'Ripper' Stefan was when Elena first met him. Same situation. Why Elena is all of a sudden thinking this situation is any different than before is beyond me. There just needs to be a spark to get the other out and in this case, I think Stefan is committed to keeping his other half locked up till Klaus is done with. Elena might not like it but she'll have to deal with it for the time being. I was about that write something similar to what you wrote. The problem I have with Elena , that she didn't hold on as she told Stefan to do. She stop believe in him when he needed the most. I think she's very conflicted right now, that's the reason I don't think DE will be good for her right now. Stefan hasn't held on either. Just how much is Elena supposed to take from Stefan? How long is she supposed to hold on? |
|
steboangel07
Full Member
"Waiting patiently for this moment."
Posts: 113
|
Post by steboangel07 on Jan 15, 2012 20:56:38 GMT -5
I was about that write something similar to what you wrote. The problem I have with Elena , that she didn't hold on as she told Stefan to do. She stop believe in him when he needed the most. I think she's very conflicted right now, that's the reason I don't think DE will be good for her right now. Stefan hasn't held on either. Just how much is Elena supposed to take from Stefan? How long is she supposed to hold on? Let's put SE and DE aside for a moment... Base on Elena action did she really hold on to her promise she make to Stefan? |
|
|
|
Post by thebabe20 on Jan 15, 2012 21:01:44 GMT -5
I was about that write something similar to what you wrote. The problem I have with Elena , that she didn't hold on as she told Stefan to do. She stop believe in him when he needed the most. I think she's very conflicted right now, that's the reason I don't think DE will be good for her right now. Stefan hasn't held on either. Just how much is Elena supposed to take from Stefan? How long is she supposed to hold on? THIS. Pretty much. I feel like no one is taking into consideration the fact that he's HURTING her. How easy is it to hold on to someone who hurts you and your loved ones? Who shows no sign of stopping? It's like Elena's supposed to turn the other cheek while Stefan almost has her brother and Alaric killed, and remain strong supportive of him through out all of this. It's gotten to a point where it's not all about STEFAN anymore! His actions are hurting those around him especially ELENA. How is she supposed to remain strong and supportive of him when he's doing this? Let's take Elena's pain into consideration. In the last episode he hurt her in the most cruelest of ways, but she's can't give up on him and say screw him? She's supposed to take it and fight for him? |
|
|
|
Post by Slash on Jan 15, 2012 21:05:23 GMT -5
I was about that write something similar to what you wrote. The problem I have with Elena , that she didn't hold on as she told Stefan to do. She stop believe in him when he needed the most. I think she's very conflicted right now, that's the reason I don't think DE will be good for her right now. Stefan hasn't held on either. Just how much is Elena supposed to take from Stefan? How long is she supposed to hold on? Stefan doesn't want to hold on cause doing so hinders him and his end goal. Once again though, Klaus created his own problem. He wanted the Ripper and he shut off Stefan's emotions for Elena giving him a head start on a mindset he wanted/needed to be in for this very plan. Elena can't keep the 2 [personas] separate either so holding on now, after the stuff Stefan has been doing is quite harder to do compared to before when he's making every attempt to make sure nothing happens now and that she loses all interest. Elena should put their relationship to the back of her mind until this is all done with. Until then, ignore him cause no good will come of trying to get him back when 'he' doesn't want to come back just yet. This is harder for her than it is Damon cause Damon has the experience with this state of mind (and isn't subject to the same punishment as Elena). |
|
|
|
Post by thebabe20 on Jan 15, 2012 21:06:13 GMT -5
Stefan hasn't held on either. Just how much is Elena supposed to take from Stefan? How long is she supposed to hold on? Let's put SE and DE aside for a moment... Base on Elena action did she really hold on to her promise she make to Stefan? TBH I have put SE and DE aside. This is about Elena for me.. And what promise is this that she made? Did she promise to fight for Stefan even while he traumatizes her and almost has her family killed? I don't think Elena would have ever made that kind of promise. Whatever promise she made was obviously under different circumstances. You can promise something but there are certain circumstances that arise where this promise becomes null. And those circumstances have came and gone quite a few times. Whatever promise she made to Stefan (and I'm not sure which one) can not be held against her while Stefan is out doing what he's doing. |
|
|
|
Post by Slash on Jan 15, 2012 21:11:01 GMT -5
Let's put SE and DE aside for a moment... Base on Elena action did she really hold on to her promise she make to Stefan? TBH I have put SE and DE aside. This is about Elena for me.. And what promise is this that she made? Did she promise to fight for Stefan even while he traumatizes her and almost has her family killed? I don't think Elena would have ever made that kind of promise. Whatever promise she made was obviously under different circumstances. You can promise something but there are certain circumstances that arise where this promise becomes null. And those circumstances have came and gone quite a few times. Whatever promise she made to Stefan (and I'm not sure which one) can not be held against her while Stefan is out doing what he's doing. Also this. If she did make a promise, it was to a leashed, somewhat transitioning Stefan. Stefan is off of Klaus' leash and is acting on his own accord, fully in a new state of mind compared to the Stefan she knew/made that promise to. The Stefan under Klaus was tasked with protecting her. That's no longer a standing order and she really shouldn't be held to whatever promise was made when she's dealing with an entirely different person. |
|
|
|
Post by pixiestyx on Jan 15, 2012 21:18:59 GMT -5
Stefan hasn't held on either. Just how much is Elena supposed to take from Stefan? How long is she supposed to hold on? Let's put SE and DE aside for a moment... Base on Elena action did she really hold on to her promise she make to Stefan? I am putting aside SE and DE. Yes, she has. She fought tooth and nail for that relationship. She devoted 5 months of her life to finding Stefan. Which is nearly as long as their entire relationship lasted. What more can she do? He's hurting her and the people she loves. She can't wait forever for him to get his crap together. For Elena right now, it's about self preservation. Holding on would destroy her, I think. I don't think she's truly given up on him, but she needs to distance herself. EDIT: Also, what thebabe and Slash said. |
|
because she should not be able to do that, to say that. I understand she was confused, but she has been saying to anyone who will listen that she knows Stefan better then anyone, well she should know that Stefan must have had reason. Not just think the worst of him immediately. I understand why most would, but this is Elena. The person who self proclaims to know him best. I was disappointed with that statement. 
