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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 21:30:27 GMT -5
I just do not get it. Then I guess Elena should have given up on Damon a long time ago because tormented her and her family longer then not soooo yeah she should see past what he is doing (his actions) and look into why he is doing it. She doesn't have to do anything about it. She does not have to say it is okay or like it, but when you love someone brother, best friend, or partner you don't just forget who they are because they are acting like someone else. If you love them you and you know the person they are you see inside not what is going on outside. if that makes sense. The fact that at times both Damon and Elena doubt the person Stefan is makes me sad. That's all. I see why other people would, but not them.
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 15, 2012 21:45:33 GMT -5
I just do not get it. Then I guess Elena should have given up on Damon a long time ago because tormented her and her family longer then not soooo yeah she should see past what he is doing (his actions) and look into why he is doing it. She doesn't have to do anything about it. She does not have to say it is okay or like it, but when you love someone brother, best friend, or partner you don't just forget who they are because they are acting like someone else. If you love them you and you know the person they are you see inside not what is going on outside. if that makes sense. The fact that at times both Damon and Elena doubt the person Stefan is makes me sad. That's all. I see why other people would, but not them. When Damon did horrible things to Elena's family and friends I don't recall her ever seeking his friendship, love or approval. She snapped at him, slapped him a few times and called him out on his crap. It wasn't until Damon allowed her to see that there was more to him than being a douche that she even started to care about him in any way. What Stefan is doing to Elena is not in anyway showing her that he still cares or that there part of him is still in there. It's all word of mouth, she hears this from Damon, but Stefan right now has treated her like crap. He used what he knew was one of the most traumatizing experiences of her life to push her away all a while to serve his need for revenge. I'm not saying Elena should completely forget about Stefan and not care about him (it's clear that she does and she always will) but she doesn't need to beg and plead or fight for him anymore. He's the one who needs to fight and redeem himself in her eyes, so he can be forgiven for his actions. |
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Post by steboangel07 on Jan 15, 2012 21:55:13 GMT -5
Stefan hasn't held on either. Just how much is Elena supposed to take from Stefan? How long is she supposed to hold on? THIS. Pretty much. I feel like no one is taking into consideration the fact that he's HURTING her. How easy is it to hold on to someone who hurts you and your loved ones? Who shows no sign of stopping? It's like Elena's supposed to turn the other cheek while Stefan almost has her brother and Alaric killed, and remain strong supportive of him through out all of this. It's gotten to a point where it's not all about STEFAN anymore! His actions are hurting those around him especially ELENA. How is she supposed to remain strong and supportive of him when he's doing this? Let's take Elena's pain into consideration. In the last episode he hurt her in the most cruelest of ways, but she's can't give up on him and say screw him? She's supposed to take it and fight for him? Stefan thinks the only way he might make Elena let go of him. Is to show her, there's nothing in him to safe. Does that justify the pain he put her through on that moment? No, but it only showed that Elena did let go of him long before this ever happen. |
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Post by steboangel07 on Jan 15, 2012 22:01:26 GMT -5
TBH I have put SE and DE aside. This is about Elena for me.. And what promise is this that she made? Did she promise to fight for Stefan even while he traumatizes her and almost has her family killed? I don't think Elena would have ever made that kind of promise. Whatever promise she made was obviously under different circumstances. You can promise something but there are certain circumstances that arise where this promise becomes null. And those circumstances have came and gone quite a few times. Whatever promise she made to Stefan (and I'm not sure which one) can not be held against her while Stefan is out doing what he's doing. Also this. If she did make a promise, it was to a leashed, somewhat transitioning Stefan. Stefan is off of Klaus' leash and is acting on his own accord, fully in a new state of mind compared to the Stefan she knew/made that promise to. The Stefan under Klaus was tasked with protecting her. That's no longer a standing order and she really shouldn't be held to whatever promise was made when she's dealing with an entirely different person. All I'm saying, you can tell "someone to hold on" when you know you can't deliver. Elena right now needs to be alone, cuz whatever relationship that the writers might threw her into will be a mess. The girl needs to think about what she needs and what will be best for her, whatever that might be. Even Caroline and Bonnie was able to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 22:06:27 GMT -5
I just do not get it. Then I guess Elena should have given up on Damon a long time ago because tormented her and her family longer then not soooo yeah she should see past what he is doing (his actions) and look into why he is doing it. She doesn't have to do anything about it. She does not have to say it is okay or like it, but when you love someone brother, best friend, or partner you don't just forget who they are because they are acting like someone else. If you love them you and you know the person they are you see inside not what is going on outside. if that makes sense. The fact that at times both Damon and Elena doubt the person Stefan is makes me sad. That's all. I see why other people would, but not them. When Damon did horrible things to Elena's family and friends I don't recall her ever seeking his friendship, love or approval. She snapped at him, slapped him a few times and called him out on his crap. It wasn't until Damon allowed her to see that there was more to him than being a douche that she even started to care about him in any way. What Stefan is doing to Elena is not in anyway showing her that he still cares or that there part of him is still in there. It's all word of mouth, she hears this from Damon, but Stefan right now has treated her like crap. He used what he knew was one of the most traumatizing experiences of her life to push her away all a while to serve his need for revenge. I'm not saying Elena should completely forget about Stefan and not care about him (it's clear that she does and she always will) but she doesn't need to beg and plead or fight for him anymore. He's the one who needs to fight and redeem himself in her eyes, so he can be forgiven for his actions. I agree with the bolded part. I am obviously not expressing myself very well. I am sorry. I just want to make it clear that how Elena reacted on that bridge was exactly how she should have reacted and I do not think Stefan should not have to deal with the consequences of those actions, because he should. I just think Stefan took a lot of abuse to fight off this person because he loves Elena. Because he owed her that. He fought has hard as anyone could possibly fight. Before that he killed people in brutal awful ways to keep them safe. He did not chose this outcome. If he had his choice he would be with Elena forever. Yet, here he is very abused and traumatized himself and I just hope they don't forget that. They do not forget that he did not want this. This was not a choice in his mind it what he had to do because Elena deserved it and so did Damon. That he owed them that because he loves them. They should feel the same to him. That is how I feel it. I am not even saying they don't, but there are times I question it. In those times I get annoyed. It has been few and far between, but every once in awhile I question if they forget the struggles Stefan has gone through instead of focusing on what they have gone through. |
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Post by pixiestyx on Jan 15, 2012 22:13:23 GMT -5
Also this. If she did make a promise, it was to a leashed, somewhat transitioning Stefan. Stefan is off of Klaus' leash and is acting on his own accord, fully in a new state of mind compared to the Stefan she knew/made that promise to. The Stefan under Klaus was tasked with protecting her. That's no longer a standing order and she really shouldn't be held to whatever promise was made when she's dealing with an entirely different person. All I'm saying, you can tell "someone to hold on" when you know you can't deliver. Elena right now needs to be alone, cuz whatever relationship that the writers might threw her into will be a mess. The girl needs to think about what she needs and what will be best for her, whatever that might be. Even Caroline and Bonnie was able to do. I would argue that when Elena made that promise she believed, fully, that she could deliver. She had no way of knowing that Stefan would go off the way he has. |
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Post by steboangel07 on Jan 15, 2012 22:14:42 GMT -5
I just do not get it. Then I guess Elena should have given up on Damon a long time ago because tormented her and her family longer then not soooo yeah she should see past what he is doing (his actions) and look into why he is doing it. She doesn't have to do anything about it. She does not have to say it is okay or like it, but when you love someone brother, best friend, or partner you don't just forget who they are because they are acting like someone else. If you love them you and you know the person they are you see inside not what is going on outside. if that makes sense. The fact that at times both Damon and Elena doubt the person Stefan is makes me sad. That's all. I see why other people would, but not them. I couldn't said better.... When you love someone, you do whatever necessary to safe that person and never let go. Is like If your husband betrayed with someone else, it will hurt like hell but eventually you would have to forgive him. |
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Post by steboangel07 on Jan 15, 2012 22:18:06 GMT -5
All I'm saying, you can tell "someone to hold on" when you know you can't deliver. Elena right now needs to be alone, cuz whatever relationship that the writers might threw her into will be a mess. The girl needs to think about what she needs and what will be best for her, whatever that might be. Even Caroline and Bonnie was able to do. I would argue that when Elena made that promise she believed, fully, that she could deliver. She had no way of knowing that Stefan would go off the way he has. And I can argue she should have try harder. |
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 15, 2012 22:25:44 GMT -5
I would argue that when Elena made that promise she believed, fully, that she could deliver. She had no way of knowing that Stefan would go off the way he has. And I can argue she should have try harder. And can I ask what more could she have done given the circumstances? |
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Post by steboangel07 on Jan 15, 2012 22:33:16 GMT -5
And I can argue she should have try harder. And can I ask what more could she have done given the circumstances? One think I know for sure she shouldn't be doing is letting Damon on and falling in love him. If she was concentrate enough on finding a way to safe Stefan and their love, she wouldn't have time to fall for his brother just saying. |
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Post by pixiestyx on Jan 15, 2012 22:35:24 GMT -5
I would argue that when Elena made that promise she believed, fully, that she could deliver. She had no way of knowing that Stefan would go off the way he has. And I can argue she should have try harder. Try harder? How? She fought for months and months for Stefan. It all boils down to how long she she supposed to hold on?? Especially when Stefan is not holding on and has thrown away everything they had together? As for this: I couldn't said better.... When you love someone, you do whatever necessary to safe that person and never let go.
Is like If your husband betrayed with someone else, it will hurt like hell but eventually you would have to forgive him.When you love someone, sometimes the best thing you can do for them is let them go. There comes a point, where you can no longer get dragged down into their drama/crap because it is bad for you. And let me tell you, if I were married and my husband betrayed me with someone else I don't HAVE to forgive him. Not saying that I wouldn't eventually but we sure as hell wouldn't be married anymore. We're clearly never going to agree on this and honestly, I don't want to keep going in circles. |
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Post by steboangel07 on Jan 15, 2012 22:52:01 GMT -5
And I can argue she should have try harder. Try harder? How? She fought for months and months for Stefan. It all boils down to how long she she supposed to hold on?? Especially when Stefan is not holding on and has thrown away everything they had together? As for this: I couldn't said better.... When you love someone, you do whatever necessary to safe that person and never let go.
Is like If your husband betrayed with someone else, it will hurt like hell but eventually you would have to forgive him.When you love someone, sometimes the best thing you can do for them is let them go. There comes a point, where you can no longer get dragged down into their drama/crap because it is bad for you. And let me tell you, if I were married and my husband betrayed me with someone else I don't HAVE to forgive him. Not saying that I wouldn't eventually but we sure as hell wouldn't be married anymore. We're clearly never going to agree on this and honestly, I don't want to keep going in circles. I don't think he throw away anything really...he 's trying to safe their lives the best way he knows how. As for Elena, she did her best to safe him, but Stefan is not ready to be safe yet. The way she handled the situation that's where my irritation with her coming from. Base on the Christian way I was raise, if my husband happen to betrayed me with someone else, I will eventually forgive him or let him go and not be able to be with someone else until he pass away. That's the fun things about debating with different ships, you always keep going around the circle and rarely agree on anything.  |
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Post by Slash on Jan 15, 2012 23:00:21 GMT -5
I just do not get it. Then I guess Elena should have given up on Damon a long time ago because tormented her and her family longer then not soooo yeah she should see past what he is doing (his actions) and look into why he is doing it. She doesn't have to do anything about it. She does not have to say it is okay or like it, but when you love someone brother, best friend, or partner you don't just forget who they are because they are acting like someone else. If you love them you and you know the person they are you see inside not what is going on outside. if that makes sense. The fact that at times both Damon and Elena doubt the person Stefan is makes me sad. That's all. I see why other people would, but not them. My problem with this post is the bolded. Stefan isn't acting like 'someone else'. Stefan is acting like Stefan. Not the Stefan that Elena & her friends know or the one she fell in love with/the others call 'friend', but it's just as much Stefan as the other where Damon is concerned. Stefan's *BIG* problem is that he's two parts that can't/haven't learned to co-exist with one another. For everyone else, they're seeing the other half but for Damon, it's 'normal'/same Brother. I think the viewer/some fans need to realize that Stefan, good or bad, is Stefan. 2 parts of a whole, not one or the other being 'someone else'. |
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Post by Slash on Jan 15, 2012 23:02:49 GMT -5
I don't think he throw away anything really...he 's trying to safe their lives the best way he knows how. By throwing them under the bus/in the line of fire in his attempt for vengeance/to kill Klaus? |
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Post by steboangel07 on Jan 15, 2012 23:09:42 GMT -5
I don't think he throw away anything really...he 's trying to safe their lives the best way he knows how. By throwing them under the bus/in the line of fire in his attempt for vengeance/to kill Klaus? At the end he got result... Now, he knows Klaus weakness and he will use it to help kill him. |
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