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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 23:17:59 GMT -5
I just do not get it. Then I guess Elena should have given up on Damon a long time ago because tormented her and her family longer then not soooo yeah she should see past what he is doing (his actions) and look into why he is doing it. She doesn't have to do anything about it. She does not have to say it is okay or like it, but when you love someone brother, best friend, or partner you don't just forget who they are because they are acting like someone else. If you love them you and you know the person they are you see inside not what is going on outside. if that makes sense. The fact that at times both Damon and Elena doubt the person Stefan is makes me sad. That's all. I see why other people would, but not them. My problem with this post is the bolded. Stefan isn't acting like 'someone else'. Stefan is acting like Stefan. Not the Stefan that Elena & her friends know or the one she fell in love with/the others call 'friend', but it's just as much Stefan as the other where Damon is concerned. Stefan's *BIG* problem is that he's two parts that can't/haven't learned to co-exist with one another. For everyone else, they're seeing the other half but for Damon, it's 'normal'/same Brother. I think the viewer/some fans need to realize that Stefan, good or bad, is Stefan. 2 parts of a whole, not one or the other being 'someone else'. I agree, but everyone has a good and bad and you don't judge them only at their worst. You judge them for who they are both good and bad. So what I was saying is right now he is only giving you bad, but they know there is good. They KNOW that. Stefan needs to learn to accept himself. You are right. Good and bad and learn to live with both. I think Stefan is doing the opposite to what he was doing season 1 and 2 though. Instead of fighting off the the bad he now is fighting off the good. In season 1 and 2 he was scared to let go of his humanity and now he is scared to let it in. I agree with you, but as I was saying I just want the writers to always show me that Damon and Elena understands that too. That just because he is showing bad does not mean he is just a bad person because they should know without a doubt that is not true and will never be true. |
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 15, 2012 23:37:30 GMT -5
And can I ask what more could she have done given the circumstances? One think I know for sure she shouldn't be doing is letting Damon on and falling in love him. If she was concentrate enough on finding a way to safe Stefan and their love, she wouldn't have time to fall for his brother just saying. So now Elena's choosing to fall in love with Damon? I was under the impression that it didn't work like that. I didn't know you could choose to fall in love with someone, I thought those sort of things just happened. If Elena wanted to fall in love with Damon, she sure as hell wouldn't be so torn up and frustrated by her feelings for him. And did she not try to find ways to save Stefan? With Damon's help, Alaric's help and Lexi's help? Yet none of that mattered because Stefan didn't want to be saved... IMO Elena did everything in her power to try and help Stefan and her efforts were futile. Now it's time for her to move on with her life, and when Stefan's done feeling sorry for himself, gets his act together, and makes it up to her, then she can deal with him. |
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Post by Slash on Jan 15, 2012 23:38:21 GMT -5
By throwing them under the bus/in the line of fire in his attempt for vengeance/to kill Klaus? At the end he got result... Now, he knows Klaus weakness and he will use it to help kill him.  So as long as he's getting results, collateral is no nevermind even when said collateral is the people he's 'supposedly' trying to keep 'safe'? This conversation will go nowhere and I feel it'll be a running theme as the season goes on short of Stefan ripping a child in half and then spit roasting them on an open fire in the front of City Hall. Damon has done things to the group as well (Jeremy, Matt, Bonnie, Tyler, Caroline) and gets roasted for them (by said people and fans) but Stefan can willingly put the entire group at risk and it's 'fine' with fans as long as it's for getting results and ridding them of Klaus even if some of those people aren't around to see that day due to Stefan's actions and because we don't know the 'entire' plan yet?  |
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Post by Tara on Jan 15, 2012 23:57:35 GMT -5
At the end he got result... Now, he knows Klaus weakness and he will use it to help kill him. So as long as he's getting results, collateral is no nevermind even when said collateral is the people he's 'supposedly' trying to keep 'safe'? This conversation will go nowhere and I feel it'll be a running theme as the season goes on short of Stefan ripping a child in half and then spit roasting them on an open fire in the front of City Hall. Damon has done things to the group as well (Jeremy, Matt, Bonnie, Tyler, Caroline) and gets roasted for them (by said people and fans) but Stefan can willingly put the entire group at risk and it's 'fine' with fans as long as it's for getting results and ridding them of Klaus even if some of those people aren't around to see that day due to Stefan's actions and because we don't know the 'entire' plan yet? I disagree with that. I haven't seen a Stefan fan on here that said Stefan didn't do wrong. But right now, we believe in him. To get rid of Klaus, it's going to be hell. Thats a given. Do I like it? No. But I don't feel Stefans doing it from a bad angle. If Klaus was just let go and ignored, things may be worse in the long run. Klaus had to be dealt with. There's no way around it. I've seen a lot of Damon fans say the same as us when it was Damon, or act like he didn't do anything wrong. Both sides do the same. We're going to look for the best in the guy. |
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Post by Princess of Darkness on Jan 16, 2012 0:50:05 GMT -5
So as long as he's getting results, collateral is no nevermind even when said collateral is the people he's 'supposedly' trying to keep 'safe'? This conversation will go nowhere and I feel it'll be a running theme as the season goes on short of Stefan ripping a child in half and then spit roasting them on an open fire in the front of City Hall. Damon has done things to the group as well (Jeremy, Matt, Bonnie, Tyler, Caroline) and gets roasted for them (by said people and fans) but Stefan can willingly put the entire group at risk and it's 'fine' with fans as long as it's for getting results and ridding them of Klaus even if some of those people aren't around to see that day due to Stefan's actions and because we don't know the 'entire' plan yet? I disagree with that. I haven't seen a Stefan fan on here that said Stefan didn't do wrong. But right now, we believe in him. To get rid of Klaus, it's going to be hell. Thats a given. Do I like it? No. But I don't feel Stefans doing it from a bad angle. If Klaus was just let go and ignored, things may be worse in the long run. Klaus had to be dealt with. There's no way around it. I've seen a lot of Damon fans say the same as us when it was Damon, or act like he didn't do anything wrong. Both sides do the same. We're going to look for the best in the guy.
I will say that there have been multiple times at which I forgave Damon easily-- but I didn't give Elena hate because she refused Damon in 2x01. I was heart broken, but I didn't give her any hate, even when she told him that he'd lost her forever.
Beyond that, I saw Stelena fans criticizing Delena fans before S3 happened about this kind of thing. Not only about when Damon forced his blood on Elena,(which btw I cheered during, but also sympathized with Elena for) but also about the fact that many Delena's tend to forgive Damon quickly.
For me at least, I forgive both of anything-- Elena and Damon, that is. I mean, Stefan is one of those characters who you KNOW will be around until the show's end so I'm sure that as long as he doesn't cross the line any more than he already has, I can forgive him too.
I believe that Stefan will come out of this, of course he will. He IS one of the main three. But on the other hand, I don't really think you're ever gonna see the Stefan we had before S3 again. I do believe that Stefan was hiding parts of himself before S3, and I feel he needs to find a better balance but that it cannot be what he was before or what he is now, for neither is his true self.[/size][/font] |
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Post by Tara on Jan 16, 2012 1:47:41 GMT -5
I disagree with that. I haven't seen a Stefan fan on here that said Stefan didn't do wrong. But right now, we believe in him. To get rid of Klaus, it's going to be hell. Thats a given. Do I like it? No. But I don't feel Stefans doing it from a bad angle. If Klaus was just let go and ignored, things may be worse in the long run. Klaus had to be dealt with. There's no way around it. I've seen a lot of Damon fans say the same as us when it was Damon, or act like he didn't do anything wrong. Both sides do the same. We're going to look for the best in the guy.
I will say that there have been multiple times at which I forgave Damon easily-- but I didn't give Elena hate because she refused Damon in 2x01. I was heart broken, but I didn't give her any hate, even when she told him that he'd lost her forever.
Beyond that, I saw Stelena fans criticizing Delena fans before S3 happened about this kind of thing. Not only about when Damon forced his blood on Elena,(which btw I cheered during, but also sympathized with Elena for) but also about the fact that many Delena's tend to forgive Damon quickly.
For me at least, I forgive both of anything-- Elena and Damon, that is. I mean, Stefan is one of those characters who you KNOW will be around until the show's end so I'm sure that as long as he doesn't cross the line any more than he already has, I can forgive him too.
I believe that Stefan will come out of this, of course he will. He IS one of the main three. But on the other hand, I don't really think you're ever gonna see the Stefan we had before S3 again. I do believe that Stefan was hiding parts of himself before S3, and I feel he needs to find a better balance but that it cannot be what he was before or what he is now, for neither is his true self.[/size][/font][/quote] I think it's normal for some of us to not love Elena right now. I think if it were DE in this position, the same would happen. But the hate goes all ways. At least half this thread is Stefan hate. I haven't seen much if any Damon hate. Even the Elena hate on here isn't that bad. So what if we're mad at Elena? We'll get over it eventually. I think its a good thing. The show is brining out emotions. I think it's natural for SE fans to be mad, just like DE fans are happy right now. It's bound to happen with a show like this. |
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Post by Princess of Darkness on Jan 16, 2012 1:50:53 GMT -5
I will say that there have been multiple times at which I forgave Damon easily-- but I didn't give Elena hate because she refused Damon in 2x01. I was heart broken, but I didn't give her any hate, even when she told him that he'd lost her forever.
Beyond that, I saw Stelena fans criticizing Delena fans before S3 happened about this kind of thing. Not only about when Damon forced his blood on Elena,(which btw I cheered during, but also sympathized with Elena for) but also about the fact that many Delena's tend to forgive Damon quickly.
For me at least, I forgive both of anything-- Elena and Damon, that is. I mean, Stefan is one of those characters who you KNOW will be around until the show's end so I'm sure that as long as he doesn't cross the line any more than he already has, I can forgive him too.
I believe that Stefan will come out of this, of course he will. He IS one of the main three. But on the other hand, I don't really think you're ever gonna see the Stefan we had before S3 again. I do believe that Stefan was hiding parts of himself before S3, and I feel he needs to find a better balance but that it cannot be what he was before or what he is now, for neither is his true self.[/size][/font][/quote] I think it's normal for some of us to not love Elena right now. I think if it were DE in this position, the same would happen. But the hate goes all ways. At least half this thread is Stefan hate. I haven't seen much if any Damon hate. Even the Elena hate on here isn't that bad. So what if we're mad at Elena? We'll get over it eventually. I think its a good thing. The show is brining out emotions. I think it's natural for SE fans to be mad, just like DE fans are happy right now. It's bound to happen with a show like this. [/quote]
I think it's natural for a show to bring out your emotions to an extent-- and even good for it to do so--- but to what extent do you take that? I mean, hating half of your ship? It just never really made sense to me... |
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Post by Tara on Jan 16, 2012 1:55:43 GMT -5
I think it's normal for some of us to not love Elena right now. I think if it were DE in this position, the same would happen. But the hate goes all ways. At least half this thread is Stefan hate. I haven't seen much if any Damon hate. Even the Elena hate on here isn't that bad. So what if we're mad at Elena? We'll get over it eventually. I think its a good thing. The show is brining out emotions. I think it's natural for SE fans to be mad, just like DE fans are happy right now. It's bound to happen with a show like this.
I think it's natural for a show to bring out your emotions to an extent-- and even good for it too--- but to what extent? I mean, hating part of your ship? It just never really made sense to me...I don't think it's really hate. At least for me, and the SE shippers I know. It's more disappointment if that makes sense. It was a lot of different emotions at first, but most of it simmered down after. I know a lot of people may not get it, but it was kind of exactly the opposite of what I felt the ship represented. Which is where my anger for Elena came out, I've been mad at Stefan too. But when you feel your ship is going down, emotions come out. I think most of us have come up from most of it. |
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Post by Princess of Darkness on Jan 16, 2012 3:09:14 GMT -5
I think it's natural for a show to bring out your emotions to an extent-- and even good for it too--- but to what extent? I mean, hating part of your ship? It just never really made sense to me...I don't think it's really hate. At least for me, and the SE shippers I know. It's more disappointment if that makes sense. It was a lot of different emotions at first, but most of it simmered down after. I know a lot of people may not get it, but it was kind of exactly the opposite of what I felt the ship represented. Which is where my anger for Elena came out, I've been mad at Stefan too. But when you feel your ship is going down, emotions come out. I think most of us have come up from most of it.
Well, I noticed you guys were showing more support to the Stefan thread for a while, and avoiding the actual SE thread a bit. I've seen nasty things on tumblr, one example being that Elena needed a slap because somehow it was the same thing when she told Klaus "sounds like a Klaus and Stefan problem," and when Stefan said "not really my problem," about Jeremy. I know that I saw an article about the writers getting death threats over the kiss and I heard a lot about that on twitter as well. This thread IS titled ELENA HATE and there's 172 posts either ranting about the hate or defending Stefan, and somehow condemning Elena-- I definitely think there has been some Elena hate going on. EDIT: I do hope everyone here is starting to move on from it though.. |
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 16, 2012 3:13:24 GMT -5
I don't think it's really hate. At least for me, and the SE shippers I know. It's more disappointment if that makes sense. It was a lot of different emotions at first, but most of it simmered down after. I know a lot of people may not get it, but it was kind of exactly the opposite of what I felt the ship represented. Which is where my anger for Elena came out, I've been mad at Stefan too. But when you feel your ship is going down, emotions come out. I think most of us have come up from most of it.
Well, I noticed you guys were showing more support to the Stefan thread for a while, and avoiding the actual SE thread a bit. I've seen nasty things on tumblr, one example being that Elena needed a slap because somehow it was the same thing when she told Klaus "sounds like a Klaus and Stefan problem," and when Stefan said "not really my problem," about Jeremy. I know that I saw an article about the writers getting death threats over the kiss and I heard a lot about that on twitter as well. This thread IS titled ELENA HATE and there's 172 posts either ranting about the hate or defending Stefan, and somehow condemning Elena-- I definitely think there has been some Elena hate going on. God I hope that red part is not true! |
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Post by Princess of Darkness on Jan 16, 2012 3:17:01 GMT -5
Well, I noticed you guys were showing more support to the Stefan thread for a while, and avoiding the actual SE thread a bit. I've seen nasty things on tumblr, one example being that Elena needed a slap because somehow it was the same thing when she told Klaus "sounds like a Klaus and Stefan problem," and when Stefan said "not really my problem," about Jeremy. I know that I saw an article about the writers getting death threats over the kiss and I heard a lot about that on twitter as well. This thread IS titled ELENA HATE and there's 172 posts either ranting about the hate or defending Stefan, and somehow condemning Elena-- I definitely think there has been some Elena hate going on. God I hope that red part is not true! |
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 16, 2012 3:31:13 GMT -5
Wow that's  crazy. I had no idea! Wow people really need to relax, it's just a show. All that over a stupid kiss between two fictional characters? Just proves that DE is the most loved AND the most hated ship in the fandom! |
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Post by Princess of Darkness on Jan 16, 2012 4:31:19 GMT -5
Wow that's crazy. I had no idea! Wow people really need to relax, it's just a show. All that over a stupid kiss between two fictional characters? Just proves that DE is the most loved AND the most hated ship in the fandom!
I get really mad when I hear about death threats towards writers and/or actors. I mean, it's a show, and though we get really invested in it, these are still fictional characters-- to threaten someone's life over it, whether joking or not is ridiculous. Even in the few times that I have complained to the writers via twitter, I've sprinkled compliments and thank you's in, and I was respectful when expressing my complaints. I think it more likely you'll get some feedback or at least some thought that way...
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 16, 2012 8:23:20 GMT -5
So as long as he's getting results, collateral is no nevermind even when said collateral is the people he's 'supposedly' trying to keep 'safe'? This conversation will go nowhere and I feel it'll be a running theme as the season goes on short of Stefan ripping a child in half and then spit roasting them on an open fire in the front of City Hall. Damon has done things to the group as well (Jeremy, Matt, Bonnie, Tyler, Caroline) and gets roasted for them (by said people and fans) but Stefan can willingly put the entire group at risk and it's 'fine' with fans as long as it's for getting results and ridding them of Klaus even if some of those people aren't around to see that day due to Stefan's actions and because we don't know the 'entire' plan yet? I disagree with that. I haven't seen a Stefan fan on here that said Stefan didn't do wrong. But right now, we believe in him. To get rid of Klaus, it's going to be hell. Thats a given. Do I like it? No. But I don't feel Stefans doing it from a bad angle. If Klaus was just let go and ignored, things may be worse in the long run. Klaus had to be dealt with. There's no way around it. I've seen a lot of Damon fans say the same as us when it was Damon, or act like he didn't do anything wrong. Both sides do the same. We're going to look for the best in the guy. I don't really have a problem perse with people being disappointed in Elena, (hate is a bit too much!) but given what Stefan has done can you really blame her? I pretty much felt the same when she and Damon would have one of those things. It was sorta like this: Gawd, Damon why'd you do that again?! So, even though it bugged me that she was farther away from him, giving him the cold shoulder, I knew why she was and just hoped she'd come around. It's pretty much the same as I see it. We know from Elena history that once Stefan settles down again, Elena will forgive him. Whether she wants to be with him again romantically is the question. |
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Post by steboangel07 on Jan 16, 2012 8:35:02 GMT -5
One think I know for sure she shouldn't be doing is letting Damon on and falling in love him. If she was concentrate enough on finding a way to safe Stefan and their love, she wouldn't have time to fall for his brother just saying. So now Elena's choosing to fall in love with Damon? I was under the impression that it didn't work like that. I didn't know you could choose to fall in love with someone, I thought those sort of things just happened. If Elena wanted to fall in love with Damon, she sure as hell wouldn't be so torn up and frustrated by her feelings for him. And did she not try to find ways to save Stefan? With Damon's help, Alaric's help and Lexi's help? Yet none of that mattered because Stefan didn't want to be saved... IMO Elena did everything in her power to try and help Stefan and her efforts were futile. Now it's time for her to move on with her life, and when Stefan's done feeling sorry for himself, gets his act together, and makes it up to her, then she can deal with him. I understand feeling just happenned even you want them or not. But when it comes to family member, you don't let yourself tangle on those emotions. I felt like she did let Damon on to a point that her feeling become more than friendship. For the record I don't think Stefan feeling sorry for himself, I think he feels more resentment about what he did and how Klaus did take his free will away. Is understanble to want revenge at this time. The problem I have is how far will the writers take this? Will they ruin everything SE had to make this happen? Or ruined Stefan, to make DE more acceptable? |
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