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Post by Tara on Jan 16, 2012 9:21:42 GMT -5
I don't think it's really hate. At least for me, and the SE shippers I know. It's more disappointment if that makes sense. It was a lot of different emotions at first, but most of it simmered down after. I know a lot of people may not get it, but it was kind of exactly the opposite of what I felt the ship represented. Which is where my anger for Elena came out, I've been mad at Stefan too. But when you feel your ship is going down, emotions come out. I think most of us have come up from most of it.
Well, I noticed you guys were showing more support to the Stefan thread for a while, and avoiding the actual SE thread a bit. I've seen nasty things on tumblr, one example being that Elena needed a slap because somehow it was the same thing when she told Klaus "sounds like a Klaus and Stefan problem," and when Stefan said "not really my problem," about Jeremy. I know that I saw an article about the writers getting death threats over the kiss and I heard a lot about that on twitter as well. This thread IS titled ELENA HATE and there's 172 posts either ranting about the hate or defending Stefan, and somehow condemning Elena-- I definitely think there has been some Elena hate going on. EDIT: I do hope everyone here is starting to move on from it though.. We moved to the Stefan thread for a while. I said we were mad for a while. But we moved back not too soon after. I know I've always shipped Stelena, but Stefans always been my favorite. The "denial bubble" wasn't really logical when all of us felt the way we did. Also, I can honestly say we tried to keep the Elena hate to a minum on here. I've seen more Stefan hate, than actual Elena hate. We've made little comments, but very rarely anything really big. But as far as other SE shippers, I'm sorry, but I think it was obvious it was going to have that reaction. It was honestly something we had hope, wouldn't happen. It was a disappointment from Elena. I'm not saying the death threats are ok. Thats not what I'm talking about, that's just crazy. But I've seen just as bad of hate about all of them, so I don't see why the Elena hate is such a big deal. I've seen a lot of crap written about Stefan, or even Damon. But normally that gets called out too. Just for the record, I don't understand why us being mad is such a big deal. I've seen so much hate for Stefan and SE over the years. We had to deal with it all. But when we get mad, people act like it's not right. I've seen stuff written against my ship that mad me so mad, but I tried to understand why they were mad. While sometimes I didn't, I never blamed them for having their feelings. I still see a lot worse written about SE/Stefan than a lot of the Elena hate. The SE/Stefan hate has been going on since the show started. I know DE has got it too, but the SE/Stefan hate I see is just really twisted. Everyones going to/will be mad at some point. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 16, 2012 10:04:46 GMT -5
I think it's mostly the denial we see in some people's perspective in which Stefan has no blame in the thing and clearly he does. In my mind he's the one who is most to blame for the rift between them, but even if some blame can be spread around, leaving him seemingly blameless makes no sense to me and others who've seen it. But heck I've been called on my own Elena 'dislike' when I've felt it and from my own shippers for that matter, so it isn't exclusive to SEs. It's awesome they have such loyal fans to the ships as a whole and it brings me back to the big picture of wanting my ship to be together. I was happy to see we have a Salvatore brothers centric episode coming up for 3 16 according to Ian's tweets. He seemed happy about it. Me, too...hugs to the Stefan lovers out there.  We need some Salvatore brothers fence mending! iansomerhalderian somerhalder
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Post by Tara on Jan 16, 2012 10:22:02 GMT -5
I think it's mostly the denial we see in some people's perspective in which Stefan has no blame in the thing and clearly he does. In my mind he's the one who is most to blame for the rift between them, but even if some blame can be spread around, leaving him seemingly blameless makes no sense to me and others who've seen it. But heck I've been called on my own Elena 'dislike' when I've felt it and from my own shippers for that matter, so it isn't exclusive to SEs. It's awesome they have such loyal fans to the ships as a whole and it brings me back to the big picture of wanting my ship to be together. I was happy to see we have a Salvatore brothers centric episode coming up for 3 16 according to Ian's tweets. He seemed happy about it. Me, too...hugs to the Stefan lovers out there. We need some Salvatore brothers fence mending! iansomerhalderian somerhalder
Damon and his baby bro, all day long today... Talking about munching on people. Love my job Have a wonder-fully swell dayI wouldn't say a lot of what we're saying is denial. I've seen Damon fans do the same for Damon. I admit Stefan has done horriable stuff, but I think his intentions were in the right place. I don't blame him for the majority of what happened with SE, because it was mainly out of his control. I know you guys don't agree with that, but can you imagine what Klaus would have done if he had just ran off with Elena or Damon? He had to play it smart, while yes, he hurt them. He was protecting them. His actions lately, I think it's still about that. I think he has to act this way for a reason. I'm not making excuses for him, it's how I honestly see it. I know why you guys feel the way you do, I've went through the same thing when you guys were sticking up for Damon. But I honestly don't put the majority of blame on Stefan. Not that I put it all on Elena though either. Anyway, love the teaser. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 16, 2012 12:49:56 GMT -5
Pages and pages.... I lost where the convo went so I'm just gonna not post anymore...
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 16, 2012 14:53:28 GMT -5
So now Elena's choosing to fall in love with Damon? I was under the impression that it didn't work like that. I didn't know you could choose to fall in love with someone, I thought those sort of things just happened. If Elena wanted to fall in love with Damon, she sure as hell wouldn't be so torn up and frustrated by her feelings for him. And did she not try to find ways to save Stefan? With Damon's help, Alaric's help and Lexi's help? Yet none of that mattered because Stefan didn't want to be saved... IMO Elena did everything in her power to try and help Stefan and her efforts were futile. Now it's time for her to move on with her life, and when Stefan's done feeling sorry for himself, gets his act together, and makes it up to her, then she can deal with him. I understand feeling just happenned even you want them or not. But when it comes to family member, you don't let yourself tangle on those emotions. I felt like she did let Damon on to a point that her feeling become more than friendship. For the record I don't think Stefan feeling sorry for himself, I think he feels more resentment about what he did and how Klaus did take his free will away. Is understanble to want revenge at this time. The problem I have is how far will the writers take this? Will they ruin everything SE had to make this happen? Or ruined Stefan, to make DE more acceptable? As far as the first part of your comment. How does it matter whether it's a family member or not? The way you're saying it, it's almost like Elena just jumped into Damon's arms the moment Stefan left. From what we know they spent months trying to track down Stefan together, all of which Damon never acted on his feelings for Elena nor did she. He still had Andie as his distraction of course until Stefan killed her. And it's not about allowing yourself to get tangled up, it's the fact that they really had no one else but each other. No one else who loved Stefan to the same extent as them and could understand the pain they felt in his absence, so they relied on each other a lot, for strength, comfort, and support. I don't see that as Elena allowing herself to get tangled up. Right now Damon is really all she has, he's been there for her every time she needed him, he's saved her from some very traumatic events, and risked his life for her on multiple occasions. Of course whatever attraction she had for him, would slowly start to become something more. I don't feel like she did anything on purpose. She's a victim of the circumstances, it's really not hard to fall in love with someone, who loves you selflessly, who puts you're safety and happiness above their own every time, who's been there for you when no one else was. Her falling for Damon was not something she planned or IMO could have prevented. And to the other part, I do feel like Stefan's feeling sorry for himself. It's typical Stefan behavior, so he's done somethings he's not proud of because Klaus compelled him to turn it off, and face the monster inside him. Klaus may have invited him to the party but he was the one dancing on the tables. Klaus didn't make him kill anyone, that was all Stefan and the darkness that he's suppressed all those years, the part of him that he never wished to acknowledge and really work to control. So what does he do? "Woe is me, I have nothing left to fight for, Klaus made me do this, so now I have to get revenge by putting everyone in danger, it's all I have" Sounds like a pity part to me! And the BS coming out of his mouth makes my stomach turn. As far as the writers ruining Stefan or SE to make DE acceptable. I never understand this way of thinking to be honest. None of these characters are perfect or in anyway better than each other. I think we all need to get out of this mindset that Stefan is good and Damon is bad, or vice-versa! To me that kind of thinking really oversimplifies the characters who are all layered with complexities. If Stefan does something horrendous it's not because the writers are trying to "ruin" him, Stefan is a character capable of doing some pretty nasty things just like Damon is. I may not like Stefan as a character but in no way do I think he's worst than Damon, or somehow Damon is the "good" brother in comparison. I think a lot of people keep holding on to this "good" brother "bad" brother mantra and that's the reason why people get upset if Stefan's halo is somehow removed. Yes in the beginning Stefan was portrayed as this all around good guy, but he had a lot of secrets and a lot of skeletons in his closet that kept coming to light, that showed just what he was capable of. I feel like despite what we're shown and what we're told people continue to hold on to this "good" brother stereotype when it comes to Stefan, and are unable to acknowledge the fact that Stefan is really no better than Damon, and vice versa. Both brothers are capable of some truly horrendous acts as we've seen so it's not about ruining what SE or Stefan for DE. It's just that each of the characters have their journeys and a long the way they may do somethings that push Elena away. Damon sure has done it, so why are they ruining Stefan if he does something "bad." As far as what SE had, that's all up to interpretation and fandom. I can acknowledge that SE's part of the triangle is significant even though I honestly couldn't care less for it and I find it boring beyond means, but I can acknowledge that they love each other a lot and I don't ever expect Elena to just walk away from Stefan, at least not any time soon. But the relationship is just not my cup of tea really. 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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2012 18:56:12 GMT -5
It is the Triangle. Elena has developed feelings for someone not named Stefan. Stefan may not be showing Elena the love he once did, but he is not giving it to someone else, and he still loves her the same (imo). If this show was about Stefan falling in love with two sisters one being Elena, well then it may be different I may get on Stefan more. I get why the triangle has worked in DE's favor for now and it has not been stressful and why Elena has not been an issue for DE fans. As of right now you have been told that she will do what you want. We have have been told she is going to do what we don't want and we have seen her do things that prove that. The show creates this. So please stop with you hate half your ship. I do not hate Elena, I may get frustrated at times, but no hate. I just love my ship and I do not want to see a part of my ship kissing the other halves brother. I just don't. I am never going to like it because I will always believe Elena will regret it, because to me she loves Stefan and she will regret questioning that and hurting him by kissing Damon. I think that is it condescending when DE fans are all you hate half your ship. Just not true. We have a right to have an opinion. Please don't be like "is she suppose to wait forever?" it is not about that. It is about the fact that I believe Elena will regret it. It is about the fact that Stefan will be devastated. It is about the fact that they have been through so much and this is only making it harder. I believe their love will get through this, but it is going to be more painful for both of them because of it. That is my opinion and I hope that sheds some light in the mind of an SE super fan  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 16, 2012 19:24:37 GMT -5
I don't think anyone here at our site really hates Elena even if they might use the word out of frustration but people have seen some pretty violent reactions out there at other places and so that's why the question was raised, not specifically to anyone here, but so you all could explain why an SE fan might feel that way to us because as you can see most of us put alot of the blame on Stefan for his own behavior. Being from the other end of this triangle I really haven't seen Elena really give in to Damon as she seems to be accused of. I mean she did seem to kiss Damon back, but reluctantly. That wasn't much to me and I wish it was more! I know she has feelings for him but now she's told him not to kiss her and I think she wants to figure out exactly where she stands with Stefan at the moment so I think she's behaved pretty honorably toward him considering that he told her to get lost at least a couple of times now and has been pretty abrasive toward her. To me she pretty much has the right to 'get lost' after all that but she really hasn't done it to any great extent so that's why from what I see, I don't see that shes done anything all that bad toward Stefan. Oh, and the shoe might be on the other foot again soon from the look of the spoilers out there and then this side will be frustrated again. We never seem to make much progress so cut us DEs some slack will ya? We'd like to see our ship happen, too.  We must share the Elena and sometimes the Elena frustrations. I don't know what the heck these writers are doing half the time. Pretty soon 100% of us will be ticked off over it all. |
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Post by steboangel07 on Jan 16, 2012 19:38:47 GMT -5
I understand feeling just happenned even you want them or not. But when it comes to family member, you don't let yourself tangle on those emotions. I felt like she did let Damon on to a point that her feeling become more than friendship. For the record I don't think Stefan feeling sorry for himself, I think he feels more resentment about what he did and how Klaus did take his free will away. Is understanble to want revenge at this time. The problem I have is how far will the writers take this? Will they ruin everything SE had to make this happen? Or ruined Stefan, to make DE more acceptable? As far as the first part of your comment. How does it matter whether it's a family member or not? The way you're saying it, it's almost like Elena just jumped into Damon's arms the moment Stefan left. From what we know they spent months trying to track down Stefan together, all of which Damon never acted on his feelings for Elena nor did she. He still had Andie as his distraction of course until Stefan killed her. And it's not about allowing yourself to get tangled up, it's the fact that they really had no one else but each other. No one else who loved Stefan to the same extent as them and could understand the pain they felt in his absence, so they relied on each other a lot, for strength, comfort, and support. I don't see that as Elena allowing herself to get tangled up. Right now Damon is really all she has, he's been there for her every time she needed him, he's saved her from some very traumatic events, and risked his life for her on multiple occasions. Of course whatever attraction she had for him, would slowly start to become something more. I don't feel like she did anything on purpose. She's a victim of the circumstances, it's really not hard to fall in love with someone, who loves you selflessly, who puts you're safety and happiness above their own every time, who's been there for you when no one else was. Her falling for Damon was not something she planned or IMO could have prevented. And to the other part, I do feel like Stefan's feeling sorry for himself. It's typical Stefan behavior, so he's done somethings he's not proud of because Klaus compelled him to turn it off, and face the monster inside him. Klaus may have invited him to the party but he was the one dancing on the tables. Klaus didn't make him kill anyone, that was all Stefan and the darkness that he's suppressed all those years, the part of him that he never wished to acknowledge and really work to control. So what does he do? "Woe is me, I have nothing left to fight for, Klaus made me do this, so now I have to get revenge by putting everyone in danger, it's all I have" Sounds like a pity part to me! And the BS coming out of his mouth makes my stomach turn. As far as the writers ruining Stefan or SE to make DE acceptable. I never understand this way of thinking to be honest. None of these characters are perfect or in anyway better than each other. I think we all need to get out of this mindset that Stefan is good and Damon is bad, or vice-versa! To me that kind of thinking really oversimplifies the characters who are all layered with complexities. If Stefan does something horrendous it's not because the writers are trying to "ruin" him, Stefan is a character capable of doing some pretty nasty things just like Damon is. I may not like Stefan as a character but in no way do I think he's worst than Damon, or somehow Damon is the "good" brother in comparison. I think a lot of people keep holding on to this "good" brother "bad" brother mantra and that's the reason why people get upset if Stefan's halo is somehow removed. Yes in the beginning Stefan was portrayed as this all around good guy, but he had a lot of secrets and a lot of skeletons in his closet that kept coming to light, that showed just what he was capable of. I feel like despite what we're shown and what we're told people continue to hold on to this "good" brother stereotype when it comes to Stefan, and are unable to acknowledge the fact that Stefan is really no better than Damon, and vice versa. Both brothers are capable of some truly horrendous acts as we've seen so it's not about ruining what SE or Stefan for DE. It's just that each of the characters have their journeys and a long the way they may do somethings that push Elena away. Damon sure has done it, so why are they ruining Stefan if he does something "bad." As far as what SE had, that's all up to interpretation and fandom. I can acknowledge that SE's part of the triangle is significant even though I honestly couldn't care less for it and I find it boring beyond means, but I can acknowledge that they love each other a lot and I don't ever expect Elena to just walk away from Stefan, at least not any time soon. But the relationship is just not my cup of tea really. But I find that a lot of fans tend to want to discredit DE, as if what Elena and Damon have is somehow insignificant compared to SE. They treat the DE relationship as if it's nothing, as if it has no meaning or substance in the show. They'd have to be blind to see it that way, it's one thing to hate the relationship, it's another thing entirely to deny what is there. DE's relationship is just as crucial to the show as SE's. It's a love triangle after all isn't it? First, thank you for respectly disagree with me. I would extended the same courstesy to disagree with most of what you wrote in. Then again, What's new?LOL Myself personally and most of the SE fans I know never compare Damon to Stefan or Good brother or Bad brother. They are vampires nothing they do really surprise me, because that"s what vampire do. Really, I can't see the reason people would try to justify what Stefan or Damon do, we know they tried to have some humanity left in them but they're not human. They feed on pain, blood , revenge and whatever means to help with their long life. And sometimes it can be love that they feed on , and that's when we mistaking them for human and thought they have moral conscience. Once they do something immoral, some of us call them whatever name we can think of. Like a lot of DE fans is doing right now with Stefan, or SE fans might did with Damon. The thing with me I will defend Stefan no matter what, I'm not saying everything he's done was okay or he shouldn't have done differently but right now all I see he's doing is to protect all of them including Damon. I don't see that as feeling sorry for himself. I guess sometimes we see what we want to see in other characters we don't actually like. As far as Elena goes, she could do better, but she choose the easier route which to lead on Damon, when she knows Damon is in love with her. Last time I checked she had Bonnie as her best friend and Caroline as another good friend which might understand how she's feeling right now. I guess I'm disappointed in her at this moment I know DE was going to happen eventually , but to me DE is an obstacle that SE have to go through to know what they meant to each other and how strong their love is really is. Then I really hope you guys enjoying your DE moment right now |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 16, 2012 20:16:55 GMT -5
It is the Triangle. Elena has developed feelings for someone not named Stefan. Stefan may not be showing Elena the love he once did, but he is not giving it to someone else, and he still loves her the same (imo). If this show was about Stefan falling in love with two sisters one being Elena, well then it may be different I may get on Stefan more. I get why the triangle has worked in DE's favor for now and it has not been stressful and why Elena has not been an issue for DE fans. As of right now you have been told that she will do what you want. We have have been told she is going to do what we don't want and we have seen her do things that prove that. The show creates this. So please stop with you hate half your ship. I do not hate Elena, I may get frustrated at times, but no hate. I just love my ship and I do not want to see a part of my ship kissing the other halves brother. I just don't. I am never going to like it because I will always believe Elena will regret it, because to me she loves Stefan and she will regret questioning that and hurting him by kissing Damon. I think that is it condescending when DE fans are all you hate half your ship. Just not true. We have a right to have an opinion. Please don't be like "is she suppose to wait forever?" it is not about that. It is about the fact that I believe Elena will regret it. It is about the fact that Stefan will be devastated. It is about the fact that they have been through so much and this is only making it harder. I believe their love will get through this, but it is going to be more painful for both of them because of it. That is my opinion and I hope that sheds some light in the mind of an SE super fan I understand your frustrations but I think we watch the show only to see our ship and not see the actually shows premise. I want DE but I know I have to watch Elena's journey with Stefan. This is the show I signed up for. We might not like it but this is it.... I think if we look past what we want for our ships and actually look at who these people are and what purpose they truly have for one another we will see past this girl who falls in love with two brothers thing. I tend to think we look to relatively at the scenarios instead of what they truly represent. L.J wrote a love story that was based on the supernatural. Everything about TVD is supernatural. Why wouldn't the triangle be too? And I don't just mean the boys are vamps and Elena is a doppelganger but that the three of them are bound by more than this world. First let me say, Elena is no ones property! She does not belong to Stefan or Damon. Like Kat was no ones property yet she just had to have the boys.. And maybe not even in a selfish way. kat was drawn to them. I do want to add that just because Stefan saw Elena first doesn't mean he has rights to her. Both brothers fell in love with Kat, were changed by Kat and became vampires to finally find the doppelganger and protect/love her. Both brothers were destined to do this. I think the gravitational pull towards Elena is more than our "reality" it's supernatural. Something we have not experienced nor can truly explain. I think all three really had no choice in being involved with each other. It was destiny to play out the way it has. Now with that said Stefan saved Elena, saw her first and even dated Elena before Damon. Yes. He sought her out because she looked like Kat. He was intrigued you could say. Now there is a back story to every story so let me go into it here. Stefan was immediately drawn to Elena because of her looks. So was Damon. Stefan saw her first but the magnetic draw is supernatural. Both brothers have experienced it and both brothers are a victim to it. Damon would automatically and just as easily fall for Elena the same way Stefan did. Elena looks just like Kat and shares the same blood line! A woman they both loved and were changed by. They both were changed by doppelganger blood. So the bond that these boys share with Kat and Elena is beyond any normal bond. Kat and Elena have the same blood running through their veins. They are related. That same blood that changed the boys! Do you see, it was destiny for one of them to meet her and both to fall for her and both to protect her? History repeats itself and it had to repeat itself again with Elena. I honestly think and believe they both have no other choice but to be drawn to her and risk their lives for her because like I said it's more than just a crush. It's if you will even "magic"  There cant be regret. There cant be mistakes. It's the way it was written and Elena in the end will go through whatever supernatural life was intended for her with the one who is right for her. SHE and only she can figure that out. But how does she figure it out? By falling in love with both. I also believe one of them belongs with Kat. I prefer Stefan (and have my reasons) but if the writers make SE endgame that I think Damon should be with Kat. I just think destiny is destiny. The show is a fantasy, supernatural gore drama based loosely on reality. I think once we look at it from that standpoint it gets easier to accept SE or DE. I would rather not watch SE because I think all roads will lead to Damon but I also know she has to be with Stefan, fall for Stefan and love him! It makes it easier for me to watch and accept. Even when I want to break the TV. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2012 20:26:51 GMT -5
It is the Triangle. Elena has developed feelings for someone not named Stefan. Stefan may not be showing Elena the love he once did, but he is not giving it to someone else, and he still loves her the same (imo). If this show was about Stefan falling in love with two sisters one being Elena, well then it may be different I may get on Stefan more. I get why the triangle has worked in DE's favor for now and it has not been stressful and why Elena has not been an issue for DE fans. As of right now you have been told that she will do what you want. We have have been told she is going to do what we don't want and we have seen her do things that prove that. The show creates this. So please stop with you hate half your ship. I do not hate Elena, I may get frustrated at times, but no hate. I just love my ship and I do not want to see a part of my ship kissing the other halves brother. I just don't. I am never going to like it because I will always believe Elena will regret it, because to me she loves Stefan and she will regret questioning that and hurting him by kissing Damon. I think that is it condescending when DE fans are all you hate half your ship. Just not true. We have a right to have an opinion. Please don't be like "is she suppose to wait forever?" it is not about that. It is about the fact that I believe Elena will regret it. It is about the fact that Stefan will be devastated. It is about the fact that they have been through so much and this is only making it harder. I believe their love will get through this, but it is going to be more painful for both of them because of it. That is my opinion and I hope that sheds some light in the mind of an SE super fan I understand your frustrations but I think we watch the show only to see our ship and not see the actually shows premise. I want DE but I know I have to watch Elena's journey with Stefan. This is the show I signed up for. We might not like it but this is it.... I think if we look past what we want for our ships and actually look at who these people are and what purpose they truly have for one another we will see past this girl who falls in love with two brothers thing. I tend to think we look to relatively at the scenarios instead of what they truly represent. L.J wrote a love story that was based on the supernatural. Everything about TVD is supernatural. Why wouldn't the triangle be too? And I don't just mean the boys are vamps and Elena is a doppelganger but that the three of them are bound by more than this world. First let me say, Elena is no ones property! She does not belong to Stefan or Damon. Like Kat was no ones property yet she just had to have the boys.. And maybe not even in a selfish way. kat was drawn to them. I do want to add that just because Stefan saw Elena first doesn't mean he has rights to her. Both brothers fell in love with Kat, were changed by Kat and became vampires to finally find the doppelganger and protect/love her. Both brothers were destined to do this. I think the gravitational pull towards Elena is more than our "reality" it's supernatural. Something we have not experienced nor can truly explain. I think all three really had no choice in being involved with each other. It was destiny to play out the way it has. Now with that said Stefan saved Elena, saw her first and even dated Elena before Damon. Yes. He sought her out because she looked like Kat. He was intrigued you could say. Now there is a back story to every story so let me go into it here. Stefan was immediately drawn to Elena because of her looks. So was Damon. Stefan saw her first but the magnetic draw is supernatural. Both brothers have experienced it and both brothers are a victim to it. Damon would automatically and just as easily fall for Elena the same way Stefan did. Elena looks just like Kat and shares the same blood line! A woman they both loved and were changed by. They both were changed by doppelganger blood. So the bond that these boys share with Kat and Elena is beyond any normal bond. Kat and Elena have the same blood running through their veins. They are related. That same blood that changed the boys! Do you see, it was destiny for one of them to meet her and both to fall for her and both to protect her? History repeats itself and it had to repeat itself again with Elena. I honestly think and believe they both have no other choice but to be drawn to her and risk their lives for her because like I said it's more than just a crush. It's if you will even "magic" There cant be regret. There cant be mistakes. It's the way it was written and Elena in the end will go through whatever supernatural life was intended for her with the one who is right for her. SHE and only she can figure that out. But how does she figure it out? By falling in love with both. I also believe one of them belongs with Kat. I prefer Stefan (and have my reasons) but if the writers make SE endgame that I think Damon should be with Kat. I just think destiny is destiny. The show is a fantasy, supernatural gore drama based loosely on reality. I think once we look at it from that standpoint it gets easier to accept SE or DE. I would rather not watch SE because I think all roads will lead to Damon but I also know she has to be with Stefan, fall for Stefan and love him! It makes it easier for me to watch and accept. Even when I want to break the TV. That was really beautifully said and I really enjoyed reading what you wrote. It is a very different perspective, but one I am open to. |
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Post by steboangel07 on Jan 16, 2012 20:38:35 GMT -5
It is the Triangle. Elena has developed feelings for someone not named Stefan. Stefan may not be showing Elena the love he once did, but he is not giving it to someone else, and he still loves her the same (imo). If this show was about Stefan falling in love with two sisters one being Elena, well then it may be different I may get on Stefan more. I get why the triangle has worked in DE's favor for now and it has not been stressful and why Elena has not been an issue for DE fans. As of right now you have been told that she will do what you want. We have have been told she is going to do what we don't want and we have seen her do things that prove that. The show creates this. So please stop with you hate half your ship. I do not hate Elena, I may get frustrated at times, but no hate. I just love my ship and I do not want to see a part of my ship kissing the other halves brother. I just don't. I am never going to like it because I will always believe Elena will regret it, because to me she loves Stefan and she will regret questioning that and hurting him by kissing Damon. I think that is it condescending when DE fans are all you hate half your ship. Just not true. We have a right to have an opinion. Please don't be like "is she suppose to wait forever?" it is not about that. It is about the fact that I believe Elena will regret it. It is about the fact that Stefan will be devastated. It is about the fact that they have been through so much and this is only making it harder. I believe their love will get through this, but it is going to be more painful for both of them because of it. That is my opinion and I hope that sheds some light in the mind of an SE super fan I understand your frustrations but I think we watch the show only to see our ship and not see the actually shows premise. I want DE but I know I have to watch Elena's journey with Stefan. This is the show I signed up for. We might not like it but this is it.... I think if we look past what we want for our ships and actually look at who these people are and what purpose they truly have for one another we will see past this girl who falls in love with two brothers thing. I tend to think we look to relatively at the scenarios instead of what they truly represent. L.J wrote a love story that was based on the supernatural. Everything about TVD is supernatural. Why wouldn't the triangle be too? And I don't just mean the boys are vamps and Elena is a doppelganger but that the three of them are bound by more than this world. First let me say, Elena is no ones property! She does not belong to Stefan or Damon. Like Kat was no ones property yet she just had to have the boys.. And maybe not even in a selfish way. kat was drawn to them. I do want to add that just because Stefan saw Elena first doesn't mean he has rights to her. Both brothers fell in love with Kat, were changed by Kat and became vampires to finally find the doppelganger and protect/love her. Both brothers were destined to do this. I think the gravitational pull towards Elena is more than our "reality" it's supernatural. Something we have not experienced nor can truly explain. I think all three really had no choice in being involved with each other. It was destiny to play out the way it has. Now with that said Stefan saved Elena, saw her first and even dated Elena before Damon. Yes. He sought her out because she looked like Kat. He was intrigued you could say. Now there is a back story to every story so let me go into it here. Stefan was immediately drawn to Elena because of her looks. So was Damon. Stefan saw her first but the magnetic draw is supernatural. Both brothers have experienced it and both brothers are a victim to it. Damon would automatically and just as easily fall for Elena the same way Stefan did. Elena looks just like Kat and shares the same blood line! A woman they both loved and were changed by. They both were changed by doppelganger blood. So the bond that these boys share with Kat and Elena is beyond any normal bond. Kat and Elena have the same blood running through their veins. They are related. That same blood that changed the boys! Do you see, it was destiny for one of them to meet her and both to fall for her and both to protect her? History repeats itself and it had to repeat itself again with Elena. I honestly think and believe they both have no other choice but to be drawn to her and risk their lives for her because like I said it's more than just a crush. It's if you will even "magic" There cant be regret. There cant be mistakes. It's the way it was written and Elena in the end will go through whatever supernatural life was intended for her with the one who is right for her. SHE and only she can figure that out. But how does she figure it out? By falling in love with both. I also believe one of them belongs with Kat. I prefer Stefan (and have my reasons) but if the writers make SE endgame that I think Damon should be with Kat. I just think destiny is destiny. The show is a fantasy, supernatural gore drama based loosely on reality. I think once we look at it from that standpoint it gets easier to accept SE or DE. I would rather not watch SE because I think all roads will lead to Damon but I also know she has to be with Stefan, fall for Stefan and love him! It makes it easier for me to watch and accept. Even when I want to break the TV. I totaly agree with your perspective on this .. I had always think there something more interwined between them. Now base on your perspective I would say is the bond that Kat on knowingly forge between them. Great post |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 16, 2012 20:39:28 GMT -5
It goes a bit off subject, but I have contemplated the doppelganger thing quite a lot and why she's the key to everything so I'll add to what you said with my thoughts. I feel like this about it, they are practically the same person, having appeared at different points in time, but the brothers, of course have lived through both times.
I think the show could have explored it alot more than they have but they still could, too. What exactly does it mean to be a doppelganger besides the obvious, looking the same, having the same destiny...well bingo right there...having the same destiny, maybe not only to be Klaus' answer but alot more than that and if the doppelganger has a destiny then couldn't the Salvatore brothers have one as well that's intertwined?
So, you see I agree with you there. There's still things we don't understand about the triangle and why it's now happened twice for them and why despite everything, even Katherine is still drawn back to the brothers as well, plus the whole doppelganger thing and why it recurs through time.
Could it have been something the original witch put on the original Petrova and what do the Salvatore brothers have to do with it and why? There's more to it then meets the eye, is what I am saying. We don't have many answers now but I think we will start to get some soon.
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Post by Slash on Jan 16, 2012 21:12:29 GMT -5
I understand your frustrations but I think we watch the show only to see our ship and not see the actually shows premise. I want DE but I know I have to watch Elena's journey with Stefan. This is the show I signed up for. We might not like it but this is it.... I think if we look past what we want for our ships and actually look at who these people are and what purpose they truly have for one another we will see past this girl who falls in love with two brothers thing. Now with that said Stefan saved Elena, saw her first and even dated Elena before Damon. Yes. He sought her out because she looked like Kat. He was intrigued you could say. Now there is a back story to every story so let me go into it here. Stefan was immediately drawn to Elena because of her looks. So was Damon. Stefan saw her first but the magnetic draw is supernatural. Both brothers have experienced it and both brothers are a victim to it. Damon would automatically and just as easily fall for Elena the same way Stefan did. Elena looks just like Kat and shares the same blood line! A woman they both loved and were changed by. They both were changed by doppelganger blood. So the bond that these boys share with Kat and Elena is beyond any normal bond. Kat and Elena have the same blood running through their veins. They are related. That same blood that changed the boys! I also believe one of them belongs with Kat. I prefer Stefan (and have my reasons) but if the writers make SE endgame that I think Damon should be with Kat. I just think destiny is destiny. Gonna be the odd man out here and say I watch it more for the premise/theme than any of the relationships. Couldn't care less which Brother Elena ends up (and have been wanting for the longest for Damon to get past his Elena thing, whether through rejection/Elena settling or getting a relationship going and finding out it's not going to work) and would be fine if both Brothers walked away from it or as you suggested at the bottom of your post, one ends up with Kat who started all this. The relationship stuff sometimes for me is a joy kill for other characters/storylines but I deal with it and do find an interest in some of them (such as Caroline & Tyler, Rose & Damon's relationship and currently Alaric & Meredith and Klaus & Caroline strike me as interesting). As for Stefan seeing her first, something that's bothered me and that I don't expect to ever be answered in regards to Damon & his history with the Bennetts, if Damon was checking up on the Bennett family, wouldn't he have seen Elena before when checking up on Bonnie? |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 16, 2012 21:21:10 GMT -5
Thanks guys!!! I have put allot of thought into it lately and Doppel I totally agree with what you wrote and it could be totally added into my perspective on TVD. I wish we could see the show more from a supernatural standpoint than a reality that we live standpoint.
They don't play by the same rules we do because the same rules don't apply to them. Morals in their world are not the same.
Kat and Elena are like Buffy and Faith. When Buffy died a new Slayer was born. When Buffy came back it didn't take anything away from Faith. It just meant that there were two slayers now.
Kat died her human death but came back a vampire. When she died that human death it put into place for a new Doppelganger to be born... Both boys have been involved and some how intertwined into their existence and there has to be something said about the doppelganger blood changing them and Elena's blood binding them.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 16, 2012 21:23:37 GMT -5
I understand your frustrations but I think we watch the show only to see our ship and not see the actually shows premise. I want DE but I know I have to watch Elena's journey with Stefan. This is the show I signed up for. We might not like it but this is it.... I think if we look past what we want for our ships and actually look at who these people are and what purpose they truly have for one another we will see past this girl who falls in love with two brothers thing. Now with that said Stefan saved Elena, saw her first and even dated Elena before Damon. Yes. He sought her out because she looked like Kat. He was intrigued you could say. Now there is a back story to every story so let me go into it here. Stefan was immediately drawn to Elena because of her looks. So was Damon. Stefan saw her first but the magnetic draw is supernatural. Both brothers have experienced it and both brothers are a victim to it. Damon would automatically and just as easily fall for Elena the same way Stefan did. Elena looks just like Kat and shares the same blood line! A woman they both loved and were changed by. They both were changed by doppelganger blood. So the bond that these boys share with Kat and Elena is beyond any normal bond. Kat and Elena have the same blood running through their veins. They are related. That same blood that changed the boys! I also believe one of them belongs with Kat. I prefer Stefan (and have my reasons) but if the writers make SE endgame that I think Damon should be with Kat. I just think destiny is destiny. Gonna be the odd man out here and say I watch it more for the premise/theme than any of the relationships. Couldn't care less which Brother Elena ends up (and have been wanting for the longest for Damon to get past his Elena thing, whether through rejection/Elena settling or getting a relationship going and finding out it's not going to work) and would be fine if both Brothers walked away from it or as you suggested at the bottom of your post, one ends up with Kat who started all this. The relationship stuff sometimes for me is a joy kill for other characters/storylines but I deal with it and do find an interest in some of them (such as Caroline & Tyler, Rose & Damon's relationship and currently Alaric & Meredith and Klaus & Caroline strike me as interesting). As for Stefan seeing her first, something that's bothered me and that I don't expect to ever be answered in regards to Damon & his history with the Bennetts, if Damon was checking up on the Bennett family, wouldn't he have seen Elena before when checking up on Bonnie? LOL I knew you wouldn't care!  But something has to be said about why these brothers are so involved in their lives. The thing that I guess "explains' it all. It's a triangle show. The rest of it is just an added bonus. It's the 3 of them are the ice cream, the base of the sundae and the rest is just the toppings that make the ice cream taste that much better!  |
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