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Post by Princess of Darkness on Jan 16, 2012 21:25:03 GMT -5
It is the Triangle. Elena has developed feelings for someone not named Stefan. Stefan may not be showing Elena the love he once did, but he is not giving it to someone else, and he still loves her the same (imo). If this show was about Stefan falling in love with two sisters one being Elena, well then it may be different I may get on Stefan more. I get why the triangle has worked in DE's favor for now and it has not been stressful and why Elena has not been an issue for DE fans. As of right now you have been told that she will do what you want. We have have been told she is going to do what we don't want and we have seen her do things that prove that. The show creates this. So please stop with you hate half your ship. I do not hate Elena, I may get frustrated at times, but no hate. I just love my ship and I do not want to see a part of my ship kissing the other halves brother. I just don't. I am never going to like it because I will always believe Elena will regret it, because to me she loves Stefan and she will regret questioning that and hurting him by kissing Damon. I think that is it condescending when DE fans are all you hate half your ship. Just not true. We have a right to have an opinion. Please don't be like "is she suppose to wait forever?" it is not about that. It is about the fact that I believe Elena will regret it. It is about the fact that Stefan will be devastated. It is about the fact that they have been through so much and this is only making it harder. I believe their love will get through this, but it is going to be more painful for both of them because of it. That is my opinion and I hope that sheds some light in the mind of an SE super fan  I understand your frustrations but I think we watch the show only to see our ship and not see the actually shows premise. I want DE but I know I have to watch Elena's journey with Stefan. This is the show I signed up for. We might not like it but this is it.... I think if we look past what we want for our ships and actually look at who these people are and what purpose they truly have for one another we will see past this girl who falls in love with two brothers thing. I tend to think we look to relatively at the scenarios instead of what they truly represent. L.J wrote a love story that was based on the supernatural. Everything about TVD is supernatural. Why wouldn't the triangle be too? And I don't just mean the boys are vamps and Elena is a doppelganger but that the three of them are bound by more than this world. First let me say, Elena is no ones property! She does not belong to Stefan or Damon. Like Kat was no ones property yet she just had to have the boys.. And maybe not even in a selfish way. kat was drawn to them. I do want to add that just because Stefan saw Elena first doesn't mean he has rights to her. Both brothers fell in love with Kat, were changed by Kat and became vampires to finally find the doppelganger and protect/love her. Both brothers were destined to do this. I think the gravitational pull towards Elena is more than our "reality" it's supernatural. Something we have not experienced nor can truly explain. I think all three really had no choice in being involved with each other. It was destiny to play out the way it has. Now with that said Stefan saved Elena, saw her first and even dated Elena before Damon. Yes. He sought her out because she looked like Kat. He was intrigued you could say. Now there is a back story to every story so let me go into it here. Stefan was immediately drawn to Elena because of her looks. So was Damon. Stefan saw her first but the magnetic draw is supernatural. Both brothers have experienced it and both brothers are a victim to it. Damon would automatically and just as easily fall for Elena the same way Stefan did. Elena looks just like Kat and shares the same blood line! A woman they both loved and were changed by. They both were changed by doppelganger blood. So the bond that these boys share with Kat and Elena is beyond any normal bond. Kat and Elena have the same blood running through their veins. They are related. That same blood that changed the boys! Do you see, it was destiny for one of them to meet her and both to fall for her and both to protect her? History repeats itself and it had to repeat itself again with Elena. I honestly think and believe they both have no other choice but to be drawn to her and risk their lives for her because like I said it's more than just a crush. It's if you will even "magic"  There cant be regret. There cant be mistakes. It's the way it was written and Elena in the end will go through whatever supernatural life was intended for her with the one who is right for her. SHE and only she can figure that out. But how does she figure it out? By falling in love with both. I also believe one of them belongs with Kat. I prefer Stefan (and have my reasons) but if the writers make SE endgame that I think Damon should be with Kat. I just think destiny is destiny. The show is a fantasy, supernatural gore drama based loosely on reality. I think once we look at it from that standpoint it gets easier to accept SE or DE. I would rather not watch SE because I think all roads will lead to Damon but I also know she has to be with Stefan, fall for Stefan and love him! It makes it easier for me to watch and accept. Even when I want to break the TV.
Written beautifully!!!  I also have always thought the three of them were destiny-- not necessarily that all three will end up together, but that they were meant to meet, meant to fall in love, meant to be changed by their experiences.
One of the reasons I've always loved TVD is because of how deep I feel the story goes and this is a perfect example. I really think that even in the books, LJ wrote it the same way. Their stories were intertwined and everything that happened, needed to. |
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Post by Slash on Jan 16, 2012 21:28:37 GMT -5
It goes a bit off subject, but I have contemplated the doppelganger thing quite a lot and why she's the key to everything so I'll add to what you said with my thoughts. I feel like this about it, they are practically the same person, having appeared at different points in time, but the brothers, of course have lived through both times. I think the show could have explored it alot more than they have but they still could, too. What exactly does it mean to be a doppelganger besides the obvious, looking the same, having the same destiny...well bingo right there...having the same destiny, maybe not only to be Klaus' answer but alot more than that and if the doppelganger has a destiny then couldn't the Salvatore brothers have one as well that's intertwined? So, you see I agree with you there. There's still things we don't understand about the triangle and why it's now happened twice for them and why despite everything, even Katherine is still drawn back to the brothers as well, plus the whole doppelganger thing and why it recurs through time. Could it have been something the original witch put on the original Petrova and what do the Salvatore brothers have to do with it and why? There's more to it then meets the eye, is what I am saying. We don't have many answers now but I think we will start to get some soon. We still need to know the deal surrounding the Original Petrova. The show leap-frogged completely over it when they were doing the Origin story for the Originals. There has to be a relation with 'Brothers' though. The Original Petrova had to have known Elijah & Klaus. Elijah & Klaus then meet Katherine when she was human (who ran from them) and now, both Brothers have met Elena (when she's human). They overlap all 3 known 'Petrovas' (isn't it about 500 years in between Katherine & Elena?). Damon & Stefan are currently overlapping 2 (Katherine & Elena). So say...500 years later, one of Elena's descendants pops up as another Doppelganger (if Elena's death/Klaus' curse being broken hasn't broken that cycle) and she meets either set of Brothers (Klaus & Elijah if they're still alive or Damon & Stefan) or a new set of Vampire Brothers (Felipe and Octavio). Also to keep in mind, the Doppelgangers specifically have caused rifts in the Brothers. Elijah & Klaus supposedly started their falling out with Katherine and then Katherine kind of passed that on to Stefan & Damon who are still somewhat rocky with Elena in the picture (although Elena is unintentional cause of the damage Katherine did all those years ago). You have the Original Witch doing something behind the scenes but at the same time, you have this somewhat perfect overlap of the above: both Elena & Katherine and then Damon & Stefan and Klaus & Elijah (if Klaus would have awakened him but he still has met Katherine again and Elena). So something does seem to be brewing for all of this to be happening but it's probably just looking a bit too much into it.  There may still be a price to be paid for the creation of Vampires and the introduction of the Hybrid by the Original Witch (all her doing) and this whole orchestration may lead up to it but it keeps getting sidelined until now. |
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Post by Slash on Jan 16, 2012 21:33:58 GMT -5
LOL I knew you wouldn't care!  But something has to be said about why these brothers are so involved in their lives. The thing that I guess "explains' it all. It's a triangle show. The rest of it is just an added bonus. It's the 3 of them are the ice cream, the base of the sundae and the rest is just the toppings that make the ice cream taste that much better!  It's just something about the main triangle that doesn't do anything for me. Damon & Rose? Was interested. Stefan & Kat? Want to see it explored again. But Elena with either Brother just doesn't nothing. Other relationships however are fine for me. I think it's Elena's breaking down about not wanting to be turned and wanting a family that really ruined it for me. And I have a knack for taking something away from triangle shows  So I'll survive through it. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 16, 2012 21:37:02 GMT -5
I understand your frustrations but I think we watch the show only to see our ship and not see the actually shows premise. I want DE but I know I have to watch Elena's journey with Stefan. This is the show I signed up for. We might not like it but this is it.... I think if we look past what we want for our ships and actually look at who these people are and what purpose they truly have for one another we will see past this girl who falls in love with two brothers thing. I tend to think we look to relatively at the scenarios instead of what they truly represent. L.J wrote a love story that was based on the supernatural. Everything about TVD is supernatural. Why wouldn't the triangle be too? And I don't just mean the boys are vamps and Elena is a doppelganger but that the three of them are bound by more than this world. First let me say, Elena is no ones property! She does not belong to Stefan or Damon. Like Kat was no ones property yet she just had to have the boys.. And maybe not even in a selfish way. kat was drawn to them. I do want to add that just because Stefan saw Elena first doesn't mean he has rights to her. Both brothers fell in love with Kat, were changed by Kat and became vampires to finally find the doppelganger and protect/love her. Both brothers were destined to do this. I think the gravitational pull towards Elena is more than our "reality" it's supernatural. Something we have not experienced nor can truly explain. I think all three really had no choice in being involved with each other. It was destiny to play out the way it has. Now with that said Stefan saved Elena, saw her first and even dated Elena before Damon. Yes. He sought her out because she looked like Kat. He was intrigued you could say. Now there is a back story to every story so let me go into it here. Stefan was immediately drawn to Elena because of her looks. So was Damon. Stefan saw her first but the magnetic draw is supernatural. Both brothers have experienced it and both brothers are a victim to it. Damon would automatically and just as easily fall for Elena the same way Stefan did. Elena looks just like Kat and shares the same blood line! A woman they both loved and were changed by. They both were changed by doppelganger blood. So the bond that these boys share with Kat and Elena is beyond any normal bond. Kat and Elena have the same blood running through their veins. They are related. That same blood that changed the boys! Do you see, it was destiny for one of them to meet her and both to fall for her and both to protect her? History repeats itself and it had to repeat itself again with Elena. I honestly think and believe they both have no other choice but to be drawn to her and risk their lives for her because like I said it's more than just a crush. It's if you will even "magic" There cant be regret. There cant be mistakes. It's the way it was written and Elena in the end will go through whatever supernatural life was intended for her with the one who is right for her. SHE and only she can figure that out. But how does she figure it out? By falling in love with both. I also believe one of them belongs with Kat. I prefer Stefan (and have my reasons) but if the writers make SE endgame that I think Damon should be with Kat. I just think destiny is destiny. The show is a fantasy, supernatural gore drama based loosely on reality. I think once we look at it from that standpoint it gets easier to accept SE or DE. I would rather not watch SE because I think all roads will lead to Damon but I also know she has to be with Stefan, fall for Stefan and love him! It makes it easier for me to watch and accept. Even when I want to break the TV.
Written beautifully!!! I also have always thought the three of them were destiny-- not necessarily that all three will end up together, but that they were meant to meet, meant to fall in love, meant to be changed by their experiences.
One of the reasons I've always loved TVD is because of how deep I feel the story goes and this is a perfect example. I really think that even in the books, LJ wrote it the same way. Their stories were intertwined and everything that happened, needed to. Awe thanks darling!!!  I just think if we look at it that way it could keep things a bit more peaceful between SE and DE! No more arguing about brothers girl or Elena being gross etc etc! I just feel like if the three of them really have no choice how can people seek fault in them loving each other the way they basically have to? |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 16, 2012 22:45:35 GMT -5
That brings us back to cake.  |
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Post by Princess of Darkness on Jan 16, 2012 23:05:09 GMT -5
That brings us back to cake.
I'd be happy with Cake.  |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 16, 2012 23:57:22 GMT -5
That brings us back to cake.
I'd be happy with Cake. Only chocolaty cake! |
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Post by Princess of Darkness on Jan 17, 2012 1:25:14 GMT -5
I'd be happy with Cake. Only chocolaty cake!
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 17, 2012 1:33:11 GMT -5
lol never mind.... Guess I didn't get that.  I can admit when something went over my head! |
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Post by Princess of Darkness on Jan 17, 2012 2:53:02 GMT -5
lol never mind.... Guess I didn't get that. I can admit when something went over my head!
haha, well I thought we were talking about Stefan/Elena/Damon CAKE.... (See cake thread for details.) |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 17, 2012 3:07:42 GMT -5
lol never mind.... Guess I didn't get that. I can admit when something went over my head!
haha, well I thought we were talking about Stefan/Elena/Damon CAKE.... (See cake thread for details.)yeah I think I must!!! Never saw that thread. I thought we were just talking about desert and well I really have been craving chocolate cake! |
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Post by Princess of Darkness on Jan 17, 2012 3:17:43 GMT -5
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 17, 2012 12:41:36 GMT -5
I know DE was going to happen eventually , but to me DE is an obstacle that SE have to go through to know what they meant to each other and how strong their love is really is. Then I really hope you guys enjoying your DE moment right now I respectfully disagree with this. I look at the way DE's relationship is written and I don't think so much thought and effort would be put into something that's designed to be just an obstacle. The writers are incredibly careful with the way they progress this relationship, they pay attention to very little detail and all for what? Just to be an obstacle? That wouldn't make sense IMO. If DE was just an obstacle then there wouldn't be a love triangle. This show's premise wouldn't be based on Elena falling in love with TWO brothers. What makes DE an obstacle and not SE? Is it because she was with Stefan first? So that automatically makes Stefan her true love and not Damon? I don't claim to know who Elena will end up with, as the show could end either way. Elena could end up with either Stefan or Damon, or with neither one of them but I regardless of my preferences I do see the significance in both relationships. Just like she and Stefan have been through a lot, Elena has been through quite a lot with Damon as well. So what is this determining factor that makes her love for Stefan somehow the love to end all loves? I mean I get that it's a preferences for some, but IMO I guess I don't understand how one can be so sure that SE is it for Elena, and that Damon is somehow out of the question or not really a factor. Is she not starting to fall for him, despite her previous convictions? Are those feelings just superficial or fake? I would tend to believe not. I get it might be hard for some to watch part of your ship fall in love with someone else, but IMO I think it's happening, and I don't think it's an obstacle designed for SE to get over. That would cheapen the whole triangle and to some degree Elena's character and I think the writers are better than that. I think they've put in a lot of work in these two relationships and even if we prefer one over the other, it doesn't mean we can't acknowledge the importance of the other. Everyone knows how I feel about SE, but regardless of my personal feelings about them, I can acknowledge what their relationship means and what it represents. |
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Post by thebabe20 on Jan 17, 2012 16:35:35 GMT -5
It is the Triangle. Elena has developed feelings for someone not named Stefan. Stefan may not be showing Elena the love he once did, but he is not giving it to someone else, and he still loves her the same (imo). If this show was about Stefan falling in love with two sisters one being Elena, well then it may be different I may get on Stefan more. I get why the triangle has worked in DE's favor for now and it has not been stressful and why Elena has not been an issue for DE fans. As of right now you have been told that she will do what you want. We have have been told she is going to do what we don't want and we have seen her do things that prove that. The show creates this. So please stop with you hate half your ship. I do not hate Elena, I may get frustrated at times, but no hate. I just love my ship and I do not want to see a part of my ship kissing the other halves brother. I just don't. I am never going to like it because I will always believe Elena will regret it, because to me she loves Stefan and she will regret questioning that and hurting him by kissing Damon. I think that is it condescending when DE fans are all you hate half your ship. Just not true. We have a right to have an opinion. Please don't be like "is she suppose to wait forever?" it is not about that. It is about the fact that I believe Elena will regret it. It is about the fact that Stefan will be devastated. It is about the fact that they have been through so much and this is only making it harder. I believe their love will get through this, but it is going to be more painful for both of them because of it. That is my opinion and I hope that sheds some light in the mind of an SE super fan Just a question I have. or two? Lol Is Elena the only one doing things that you don't like? Regardless of whether or not Stefan is giving his love away to someone else is he not still also betraying her in one of the worst ways imagineable? I can understand not being happy about Elenas growing feelings for Damon, and I do understand that it will hurt Stefan (not that she can control how she feels anyway, nor do I think she'll regret it, but thats another debate), but I guess idk why it seems like Elena is getting the worst of it for her feelings while Stefan is doing arguably much worst to her right now, of his own free will might I add, and yet a lot of fans (no one here in particular) are falling over themselves to sympathize with him and criticize Elena harshly as if somehow shes to blame for all that is wrong with their relationship. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 21:33:44 GMT -5
It is the Triangle. Elena has developed feelings for someone not named Stefan. Stefan may not be showing Elena the love he once did, but he is not giving it to someone else, and he still loves her the same (imo). If this show was about Stefan falling in love with two sisters one being Elena, well then it may be different I may get on Stefan more. I get why the triangle has worked in DE's favor for now and it has not been stressful and why Elena has not been an issue for DE fans. As of right now you have been told that she will do what you want. We have have been told she is going to do what we don't want and we have seen her do things that prove that. The show creates this. So please stop with you hate half your ship. I do not hate Elena, I may get frustrated at times, but no hate. I just love my ship and I do not want to see a part of my ship kissing the other halves brother. I just don't. I am never going to like it because I will always believe Elena will regret it, because to me she loves Stefan and she will regret questioning that and hurting him by kissing Damon. I think that is it condescending when DE fans are all you hate half your ship. Just not true. We have a right to have an opinion. Please don't be like "is she suppose to wait forever?" it is not about that. It is about the fact that I believe Elena will regret it. It is about the fact that Stefan will be devastated. It is about the fact that they have been through so much and this is only making it harder. I believe their love will get through this, but it is going to be more painful for both of them because of it. That is my opinion and I hope that sheds some light in the mind of an SE super fan Just a question I have. or two? Lol Is Elena the only one doing things that you don't like? Regardless of whether or not Stefan is giving his love away to someone else is he not still also betraying her in one of the worst ways imagineable? I can understand not being happy about Elenas growing feelings for Damon, and I do understand that it will hurt Stefan (not that she can control how she feels anyway, nor do I think she'll regret it, but thats another debate), but I guess idk why it seems like Elena is getting the worst of it for her feelings while Stefan is doing arguably much worst to her right now, of his own free will might I add, and yet a lot of fans (no one here in particular) are falling over themselves to sympathize with him and criticize Elena harshly as if somehow shes to blame for all that is wrong with their relationship. Betraying, I am not sure I would use that word, but I see how it fits. I do get frustrated with Stefan. That bridge scene was hard to watch and I was upset with what he did and that he took her there of all places. I really like Elena and I think all this debating about her is making me over-analyze opinions that I am not even sure I am that passionate about I don't think Stefan has "free will" necessarily. Not sure I have the energy to debate it, but I don't think it is complete free will. Just as Elena did not chose to develop feelings for Damon, Stefan did not choose to lose everything he loved. I know some don't agree, but I just think that he did not choose to be put in the situation where he had to sacrifice his life for his brother's life. He did not choose to become this damage person capable of the actions he has been capable of as of late. I just don't think that is "free will" In short, I just think the triangle, anticipation of the triangle and the unknown can bring out intensified emotions on both sides. |
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There may still be a price to be paid for the creation of Vampires and the introduction of the Hybrid by the Original Witch (all her doing) and this whole orchestration may lead up to it but it keeps getting sidelined until now.
