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Post by Slash on Jan 24, 2012 20:59:44 GMT -5
Yup...love your new Selene avi/siggy  Thanks  I think for Damon & Elena, a different 'buffer' was needed, not Stefan being 'forced' out by a life or death decision for his Brother. Granted Damon was willing to bite it and let the 2 be happy... If the Ripper had come out later due to another relapse like we started to see before and Stefan's other side ended up pushing Elena away instead (harming Jeremy/Matt/Caroline/Bonnie; something that would be damaging although for what it's worth, Damon has done the same to all of those people  ), it'd probably be better cause it would be 'par the course' for him as a character (Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde). As you pointed out, what he did for the sake of Damon just complicates things with the 'ships' and not giving the relationship credit cause Stefan made a pimp decision to save his Brother at the loss of Elena for the time being and willingly letting someone out that he hated. Putting it in that perspective, I'm interested in seeing how they get to Damon & Elena. Stefan loves Elena, Damon loves Elena. Stefan had her but the only way I can see him losing her, aside by reason of Damon's life (and same for Damon if he was with her), is if he walked away willingly or if the other Brother's life was in jeopardy and called for them to do so (or Elena walked away from one for the other due to not knowing who she really wants and wanting to try out the grass on the other side). It's just...messy  and the Writers have done it to themselves but I'm interested in seeing how they write the story through all this. Either way, Elena has to accept the Bad of both Brothers now that she's had a first-hand look at both. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 24, 2012 23:23:59 GMT -5
I look at it this way.... She cant go back to Stefan without exploring her feelings for Damon. If she loves Damon then she will always be with Stefan wondering what if. If she chooses Damon she is giving up what she already knows and that is her relationship with Stefan. She knows what love/relationship she is giving up because she has been in it, lived in it and loved in it.
If she walks away from Damon she will never know how it felt to be his and for him to be hers. She will always wonder and just like my Joey from DC so famously said as she left Dawson (Pacey's best friend) "I have to or I will never know".... This is after Dawson said you're going to go to him aren't you?
SE will be cheapened if DE does not happen. The writers can say yeah she loves Stefan more so she chooses Stefan. That is the only way. But I don't think she loves Stefan more. I think her love is different and that is why I don't think she will be able to walk away from Damon. Damon is a part of her now.
Just my opinion though!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 18, 2012 15:45:30 GMT -5
I don't hate her per se but I would say I'm annoyed with her. Does anyone else want to state the obvious? Elena's stunt at the ball, getting rid of Damon, then giving her blood to a woman she didn't know that resulted in the situation they ALL got put in and ultimately Bonnie's Mother's death is entirely Elena's fault. Did the girl even ask any questions about this plan? NOPE! I mean, I knew the second they cut Damon out of it bad things were going to happen, because I have certainly noticed that is what happens when Damon isn't involved because he is the only freaking one of them who thinks ahead. He's always the one who says, 'Wait a minute if we do that, then this is going to happen.' But NO, Elena had to show she can wear her big girl pants and make decisions on her own, decisions that get people killed. Good going Elena! Woot! Not only that but Elena is really on a roll lately, pissing everyone off. Wow! How much do you want to bet she blames Damon for it all? It's almost laughable if it weren't ridiculously stupid. I notice some Stelenas are mad at Stefan for being in on the plan. I'm not mad at Stefan. I don't think they had many options at that point and little time to explore any. Damon came up with the daggering idea and I suppose that could have worked temporarily on everyone but Klaus but then there he was taking the dang dagger out. I think I'll be mad at Stefan if he lets Damon take the fall for it though when he was the one who was supposed to do it. It would have worked if they'd have had time to hide Kol's body, but they didn't...so then, they were sort of stuck with having to do something and they did the lesser of two evils, actually kill Bonnie/Bonnie's Mom or turn her. But in the end, it was Elena's rash decision that made it all happen. How many times does Damon have to freaking bail her butt out when she makes a 'decision?' Is it any wonder that Damon is adverse to it, considering he nearly died of a werewolf bite as a result of one of her other decisions? I think we can all agree, Elena makes piss poor decisions! At least Caroline and Bonnie saw it for what it was. So now let's see, Elena has managed to tick off Damon, Caroline, Bonnie and all the Originals, all in one 24 hour period not to mention having Rebekah on her arse already. |
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Post by Slash on Feb 18, 2012 16:44:08 GMT -5
^^^ Mirroring what I've said in another thread. Elena making decisions is a bad thing, even if it's deciding what flavor cupcakes to bring to the party. It'll lead to someone getting killed or a life & death situation. I know characters like to jump on Damon for forcing decisions on her but you clearly see why now. Him or somebody not named 'Elena' needs to make Elena's decisions.
I'm just so sick of her right now though. She's been pissing off everyone lately and then she seems to want to push blame off of herself for stuff or act like it's not her. Her telling Damon to 'get over it' the morning after the ball, the morning after she came up with the magical plan for Stefan to snap his neck? And then talking to Bonnie & Caroline like it was somehow a problem that Damon was sleeping with Bekah. HELLO! You just blew the guy off the night before and not only that, you're talking to 2 people who couldn't care less about your 'relationship' with Damon cause they prefer Stefan in the first place. Just because you walked into an ass hat plan doesn't mean you take it out on that guy. If you should take it out on anyone, it should be yourself or that clown Stefan for all the crap he's done lately, not Damon who has been at your side all this time (besides that trip he took with Katherine).
I really do hope Bonnie/Abby don't hold anything against Damon when she comes to because of Elena's decision to go along with Esther's plan. Bonnie/Caroline have already said as much to Elena but I hope it sticks. I think Damon could help out though by helping Abby adjust to this period of time (dealing with the blood) but then again, Caroline has made an oh so perfect transition in the span of a few months, she could probably do it.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 18, 2012 17:46:56 GMT -5
Yeah she's managed to alienate her entire support system all in one sweep all so she could feel like she was making a decision for herself. Dumb, dumb, dumb!  When is she ever going to understand that her decisions have far reaching effects each and every single time? |
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Post by willlddcat on Feb 22, 2012 1:42:09 GMT -5
Sorry I haven't read the entire posts but I saw the title and I just need to say this. Elena is a stupid bitch. I can't stand her. The ONLY reason I can come up with as to why she didn't think things through with Esther is that Esther spelled the room with that sage stuff. Maybe it gave off some kind of power of persuasion. That is why when Bonnie tried burning it Caroline could still hear them in the other room. If this is not the case then I don't see why any hundred year old vampire would be in love with a complete moron. Alot of people claim Elena is selfless? If she is so selfless then she would have attempted to leave town since she was the one attracting the vamps and bad vibes. She could have left and given up her life in mystic falls then Bonnie and Caroline could have gone looking for her and convinced her to come back. Then we could say she was selfless and her friends/family were the ones who wanted to keep the village idiot in town.
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Post by Slash on Feb 22, 2012 15:46:10 GMT -5
I think Elijah wouldn't have held it against her if the sage had any power of persuasion. Elijah & Klaus seem pretty knowledgeable in what uses certain items have in Witch craft and Elijah knew the sage was used to keep him and the others from listening in cause he himself was suspicious of his Mother. Bonnie trying to use the sage was Bonnie just doing it all wrong.
What Elena did that night was of her own free will which makes it all the worse compounded by the fact that she wasn't on board with it entirely to begin. She watched Elijah drink after the toast and didn't warn him but went on about how she didn't want to do it afterwards cause she had nothing against Elijah and knew she just signed his death warrant.
Elena isn't as selfless as people seem to believe. She's more selfish with wanting things to go her way and wanting both Brothers entirely to her, even if she's not giving one of them the time of day (if he's happy with another woman, it's a problem for her) if that's not apparent by now and when situations arise to show that she cares about others, her attempts leave a lot to be desired (sacrifice night where she was fine with 2 other lives being lost just so she could live). She rushes into things half-assed (the mountains looking for Stefan) and others suffer for it yet she doesn't realize the danger she puts others in by proxy cause they'll jump in to save her dumbass from her own dumbass decisions.
She needs some more self-defense training or Bonnie needs to give her an item/talisman she can use for protection cause she's entirely too dependent on others for her safety and that's too big a risk for those involved.
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Post by loverofcw1230 on Mar 20, 2012 19:12:07 GMT -5
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Post by willlddcat on May 3, 2012 21:34:39 GMT -5
Real smart Elena. Drink some alcohol when you've just lost a bunch of blood  Gosh, she is such an idiot. All of them. Ya! Lets be reckless   |
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Post by Slash on May 3, 2012 21:52:04 GMT -5
I found this odd too. She was nearly drained dry and one of the first things she put in her system was alcohol? Not only that, she slammed her head on a dresser too.
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Post by RachelBerrySexriot on May 10, 2012 1:17:05 GMT -5
Elena has become the most unrelateable character on the show. Bitch drives me crazy.
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Oooooh I love you. 
