DEspair

[Doppelgänger]

Seriously I'm getting to a point I don't care what she decides just decide something so we can get the pain over with. If she wants to keep trying with Stefan, whatever, I'll know what to do then, and that will be stop watching cause hell NO am I ever going to endure any more SE! If she decides to try with Damon, then yeah, I have something to look forward to, but she still has alot to prove to me at this point. If she decides nothing or to take a break from both of them...I'm going to stay pissed off! Then probably stop watching... So really there's only one right answer in my mind at this point.

[Sweetluv4DE]

I personally just wanna smack her. I think SE's do and us DE's do. Because I like torture I lurk in the SE thread for spoilers and well they seem to be team Stefan lately too.

Of all the crap Stefan did to her I'm not mad at them for being team Stefan anymore. She is so wishy washy lately. I mean I don't feel like Stefan has a right to think after he treated her bad and how he basically helped mold DE into their closeness, that she should be waiting on him. I actually don't think he is surprised that they got so close and bonded. How could he be. When he was not compelled anymore he all but threw her at Damon.

I'm just saying now that the calming of the storm has approached he deserves to be told whether or not she loves Damon. AND SHE KNOWS! She KNOWS she loves Damon.

An SE can say it's not love and she doesn't love him but she is so scared to admit she loves Damon out loud especially to Stefan that I bet she'd rather do the ritual all over again. HELL she was braver than!

Elena needs to get her BIG girl panties on! These brothers, man I'm about to say BOTH of them say the Hell with her.

[Doppelgänger]

She's been falling for Damon for a long time. Stefan didn't really make that happen. It gives him far too much credit to say he did. Yes, him not being around gave Elena the option to think about it more and for them to get closer, but here she is still saying she doesn't know how she feels so she didn't think too hard did she?

[Sweetluv4DE]

No I blame Stefan for DE to a point. He always dragged Damon into EVERYTHING! The cat pooped in the yard "call Damon", the old lady needs to cross the street "Call Damon". He used Damon's love for Elena in the episode Rose to have Damon help save Elena and risk his life.

Stefan has involved Damon and even has let him participate in all things GILBERT. If he knew his brother loved why risk it? I'm just saying.... Stefan has allot of owning up to do. It's not all DE's fault here either. That's what I'm saying.

[Doppelgänger]

Yes, I know he used Damon's love for Elena to his advantage so he could keep his hands clean while Damon did the dirty work, but he didn't make nor was he responsible for the two of them falling in love with each other. Alot of people hang around their bf/husband's siblings alot and don't fall in love with them. In the end it was Damon and Damon's actions/how he is with her that made Elena fall in love with him. I don't want Stefan getting credit for that. I can just see the SEs saying if it weren't for Stefan doing this or that it wouldn't have happened totally disregarding that she fell in love with Damon because he's lovable. No, just NO! I will say Stefan didn't prevent it. He didn't put a stop to it or deter it. He knew it was happening and he let it happen, yes, but that's all I'm giving him. I'm glad he finally had the balls to use the L word and ask Elena. I was afraid he'd stand between them from here to forever.

But it was happening and has been happening slowly. Back when Damon said, "There's something going on between us and you know it," there was something between them and she knew it...it was already happening. It's just taken her this long to acknowledge it/let herself feel it and she's still not even there yet. It's just NOT going to go away and she has to face it now, thus her words about him 'sneaking up on her' and 'getting under her skin,' and 'can't shake him.'

No, Elena, you can't 'will' how you feel away because you don't want to hurt Stefan. The second she feels it, she buries it and that's how she's been dealing with it, but now it's getting too big to ignore. It's creeping into her thoughts and it's getting to where she can't keep ignoring it. That's why she's irritated by seeing him. She sees him, she feels the love she has for him, the longing, the need. She wants to be with him, to touch him, to kiss him and then she gets pissed off about it.

So now we just wait for the dam to break...

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I agree Stefan doesn't deserve that much credit. He may have set up all these scenarios but he can't control how Elena feels around Damon or vice versa. In essence he may have put the food in the pot but he didn't cook it.

I'm hungry right now so that analogy comes up

[LovingDamon4Ever]

Ha! Love the new thread. Wish we had this at the CW cuz that was when I really started to get irked with Elena. I have said it once and I have been saying it for a LONG time...Elena doesn't deserve Damon. In my eyes she just isn't good enough for him and hasn't been for a LONG time. I've only tolerated her because Damon loves and wants her, but me....she needs to GTFO and grow the hell up!

As peeved as I was with her last season it has gotten SO much worse this season. I had a little hope, more than a little to be honest after The Reckoning. "Where were you Damon?'...and all the way up to The New Deal "I don't know what I'd do if you weren't here", thinking that she was slowly coming to her senses. When she didn't outright reject the kiss I was overjoyed and then.....SCREEEEECH throw on the brakes and start the denial process all over again. Then 3x14 and I was basically back to being disgusted with Elena.

Although my disgust with Elena is not the biggest problem I have in all of this.

I am sure you all remember back in December or January when the spoilers broke that Damon was gonna bed someone else and I flipped. All season with the exception of Elena's little attitude when Damon attacked Caroline's dad and snapped Alaric's neck Damon's character was progressing at a rapid pace. He was doing everything right. He was acting to not just protect Elena but to protect everyone that she cared about...which he had done before, but before he had done it for Elena but it had gotten to the point he was making the decision to do the right thing because it was the right thing to do and he was starting to care what happened to other people.

While everyone else tried to say Damon could do what he wanted and sleep with whoever he wanted because he and Elena weren't together I just KNEW it was the beginning of something that was not going to end well. People saying Elena would get jealous and it would make her realize how she felt and progress the story. Well it didn't. I just KNEW it was the beginning of the writers gearing up to rip Damon apart again. They made his character change so much and become EXACTLY what Elena needed and wanted to only tear it all apart and rip it to shreds and I saw it coming from a mile away.

Now on to what is going on now. Of all the women Damon could have bedded the writers chose Rebekah. No surprise there...the WORST possible choice for Damon in the storyline. Rebekah had just tried to kill Elena and Damon sleeps with her. Yeah...that really pissed me off because again I saw it as the writers making Damon make the WORST possible choice of who to bed. He could have been angry after the f ckery that was 3x14 and bedded any random and I would have been okay..but the writers choosing Bekah I again had that gut wrenching feeling that it was just another device to ruin Damon and all the progress he had made. And it was. It was not a one time thing and they threw them back in bed again to get information...like there was no other way to get it. Then the shower scene with Sage...again, like there is no other way to do it.

SICK of them using Ian and his body to propell these ridiculously flimsy plotlines!

ARRGGGGG!!!!!!

Now to the part that pisses me off the most.

In light of Damon's actions since 3x14 the SEs have plenty of ammo to use in their quest to hate all things Damon. When I saw the promo of what Bekah was doing to Damon I again KNEW how all of this would go. These writers just love to keep Damon down, ruin him, punish him and give the SEs something to be happy about. I am sure the SEs are having a field day rejoicing that Damon got what he deserves and that being tortured relentlessly was his payback for sleeping with Bekah. Even some DEs feel that way.

So ladies....even though I joke and play around and don't show too much lately how I feel about what's going on...I am not happy. Much like Damon I use coping mechanisms to get through the things that hurt me the most. These writers have taken something that was beautiful and destroyed it. I am really of the mind they have done TOO much damage and I can't figure out if they can redeem themselves for this cluster f cked mess they've made.

Yet. Still. I am hanging on. I love Damon. I watch TVD for Damon's story.

I really wish it could stop being a tragedy. More than anything I want Damon to be happy. Three years is a long time to see someone you love not get anything they want and never find happiness. It is so painful for me to see what they have done to Damon's character. Even when he does everything right he still gets no credit. No appreciation. No love. Only heartache, deception and pain. My poor baby.

So there it is. My rant of sorts cuz I didn't really go into how deeply pissed off I REALLY am.

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There's always going to be ammo to use against Damon's character because he's the one the writers use for the dirty work or just for anything in general. He seems to always be the only one going around having sex and killing people and it makes him look bad while Stefan stays in a corner and looks perfect as ever because the writers never write him sleeping around or causing messes like Damon. Every other character is either doing nothing in regards to the storyline or just there in the background. It's like the only one able to have extra curriculum activities is Damon. Is he the only one allowed to have sex or party or screw up on a gigantium scale? The only other character that nearly rivaled Damon's was Tyler and he's always takes his yearly vacation and is absent for a good chunk of the season.

I never liked the idea of Damon sleeping around. In season 1 I would expect them to use that tactic but in season 3 and when he was just getting closer to Elena? It just seemed like the writers did that to throw another wrench into DE. We had good build up to 3x10 with the kiss. I wasn't even mad in 3x11 (I think that's the ep) when Elena said, "You can't kiss me again." because the look on her face said otherwise and then they didn't have Damon just say, "Yeah it's not right." they made him say, "It's right just not right now."

After that Elena went back into her DEnial stage and then we get that mess in 3x14. Before I didn't want the person Damon slept with to be Kat because I just wanted that storyline out the window together. I wasn't upset when I heard about Bekah I thought it would be better than Kat.

But of course then the writers had to come up with some stupid plot where Bekah was out for blood with Elena and nearly on the verge to kill her and so when Damon slept with her it makes him seem like a jerk and then you get those comparisons of 'Oh ho look at the difference between Stefan and Damon! You see Stefan tried to fight Bekah when he heard that she tried to hurt Elena but when Damon heard all he did was sleep with her. So who's better for her?'

It's like what you said LovinDamon, it's like they try to pick the freaking worst thing they can come up with to try and black DE from happening.

[Doppelgänger]

They do it because they already know nothing is going to stick to him. Damon fans are loyal and nothing is ever going to change our love for him but then they can justify why DE gets delayed by saying, "Oh this hurt Elena, so now she needs time to get over it."

[Sweetluv4DE]

Guys I'm not giving Stefan ANY credit! He gets NO credit. I feel you are missing my point.

My point is that Stefan cant blame anyone but himself for DE. He sat there and involved Damon in EVERYTHING!!!! Of course they were gonna get close. Life and death situations were bound to make the two of them bond. But how they were in those situations, toward each other is what brought DE together. I'm not saying Stefan brought DE together. I'm saying Stefan didn't help them to not "connect' by constantly pulling Damon into everything!

There is a difference with hanging with you sisters husband than hanging with the doppelganger who looks like Kat whom you have to save week to week. Damon and Elena were bound to fall in love. But Stefan himself can't blame them 100%. Stefan told Damon to take Elena back to Mystic falls and keep her there! He also was mad that Damon brought Elena to Chicago. He told Elena, Damon was "that guy" for her now. He literally threw Damon at her telling her go, I give you permission. I'm not saying that is why they are in love and why DE is together.

I'm just saying at the end of the day Stefan isn't so innocent and I don't feel bad for him that DE are in love.

[Doppelgänger]

Well he does blame himself but it seems like to me in that blaming himself he's also taking credit for it...and that's the part I don't like. I can just see it now, "Oh they're together because of poor poor me"....blech...get over yourself already Stefan!

[Sweetluv4DE]

Nah they are together because of DE but his dumb butt didn't help!!!

[Deleted]

I think Stefan thinks DE just happened in season 3 but it's been happening all along even while he was WITH Elena. It started in 1x03 before Stefan even blurted out he had a brother (he probably was never planning on telling her that bit of info anyways)

But I do kind of hate that Stefan is the instigator to make Elena confront Damon about her feelings. It's something I would have liked to see her do on her own. "Stefan thinks I have feelings for you." That line!

I feel as if it's setting us up for disappointment when it's put that way. But it's a bit funny like how is someone supposed to respond to that? "Hey so and so thinks I have feelings for you." *awkward pause* "Well, okay... so..."

[Doppelgänger]

I know, it puts Stefan right in the middle of it AGAIN. He doesn't need to be in the middle of it. It's between Elena and Damon and only Elena and Damon...sigh. Because then there's the chance that the conversation would revolve around Stefan's feelings instead of her feelings about the matter. But of course, Damon rephrased it by asking her if she did have feelings for him so let's hope not.

[Sweetluv4DE]

We all knew Elena would never be with Damon no matter HOW she felt unless Stefan let her off the hook. She is too worried about being Kat and hurting Steffy that she would rather suffer and not be with Damon then be with Damon and hurt Stefan.