Season 4 Episode 3 - The Rager

[Slash]

I kind of like the fact that Meredith is trying to push Damon towards Stefan and Elena and that she sees what's going on. She can't be the 'partner in crime' like Alaric was and that Damon needs.

Still don't like 'little Ms. Perfect Caroline'.

And Damon saved Matt cause after all the crap that happened in the day, Elena was feeding on Matt again and she didn't stop this time. Damon rushed in and shoved her away, got her to stop (she has the habit of baring her fangs now) and compelled Matt to forget what happen (that he came by, gave her the usual treatment and went home).

[Doppelgänger]

Awww....those baby vamps and their fang baring. It's just so cute! Every other vampire on the show could stop her in a second.

[Slash]

That's the funny part. Anyone else can pretty much spank her and shake their finger at her and she'd be able to do nothing about it.

[Ruby2579]

Yea and she said Damon gave it to her reluctantly

also Did anyone notice the parallel scene with matt and Elena at the end.

Caroline was in a very similar situation when she first turned.
SHe was with Matt making out and lost control for the blood and Stefan had to stop her
then compel him to forget.

Stefan was Caroline's teacher
I believe Damon is the better teacher for Elena

[Sweetluv4DE]

I agree with you... Damon is the better teacher for Elena. Stefan said it best when he talked to Caroline.

[Doppelgänger]

Oct 26, 2012 10:45:49 GMT -5 Ruby2579 said:

Yea and she said Damon gave it to her reluctantly

also Did anyone notice the parallel scene with matt and Elena at the end.

Caroline was in a very similar situation when she first turned.
SHe was with Matt making out and lost control for the blood and Stefan had to stop her
then compel him to forget.

Stefan was Caroline's teacher
I believe Damon is the better teacher for Elena

I don't remember that. Poor Matt, the human blood bag.

[Ruby2579]

Oct 26, 2012 12:28:50 GMT -5 Doppelgänger said:

Oct 26, 2012 10:45:49 GMT -5 Ruby2579 said:

Yea and she said Damon gave it to her reluctantly

also Did anyone notice the parallel scene with matt and Elena at the end.

Caroline was in a very similar situation when she first turned.
SHe was with Matt making out and lost control for the blood and Stefan had to stop her
then compel him to forget.

Stefan was Caroline's teacher
I believe Damon is the better teacher for Elena

I don't remember that. Poor Matt, the human blood bag.

it was them in the woods when she got all jealous of that girl that she compelled to go find someone single to stalk and she found tyler lmao hahahahah it was the episode where she had matt break up with her on purpose.

[Ruby2579]

so I read this on tumblr and thought of bringing it here. =)

there are theories on why klaus might need elena

I think Klaus is keeping Elena alive for one of three things:
1) The Five know a way to turn vampires human again and thus would allow Klaus to make his hybrids again

2) Something to do with Tatia and the doppleganger lineage…. possibly bring Tatia back through Elena? Once again if he were able to do that he would have another human doppleganger. (this seems far off because i think we’ve seen far to many body possesions)

3) Elena’s blood can stop the five from being as ruthless.

I dunno just putting that out there, I will be able to refine my theories by next episode

[Ruby2579]

klaus face after he realizes his pitch on tyler and hayley might be accurate.



he does care about caroline more then he expected himself to

[Slash]

I wish Klaus would have punched Tyler to cement that fact Tyler's face annoys me.

And I have to say, one of the worst moments in the episode was the damn 'Elena Kegstand'. Just wanted to change the channel.

And what are they going to do with Matt? Jeremy obviously has something more to him (Hunter, Ghosts) and everyone else has their own path now but Matt is nothing more than a walking blood bag/victim.

EDIT: @ your avatar

[Ruby2579]

Oct 26, 2012 15:29:33 GMT -5 Slash said:

I wish Klaus would have punched Tyler to cement that fact Tyler's face annoys me.

And I have to say, one of the worst moments in the episode was the damn 'Elena Kegstand'. Just wanted to change the channel.

And what are they going to do with Matt? Jeremy obviously has something more to him (Hunter, Ghosts) and everyone else has their own path now but Matt is nothing more than a walking blood bag/victim.

EDIT: @ your avatar

yes ELENA'S KEG STAND WAS CORNY! MY HUBBY WAS LIKE OH LORD SERIOUSLY -_- HAHHAAHAHAH AND MATT WASN'T NOTHING REALLY IN THE BOOKS. HE WAS THE HUMAN IN THE GROUP LOL THATS WHAT HE WILL BE I GUESS HE HELPS OUT WHEN HE CAN.

ALSO ANOTHER THING THAT ANNOYED ME WAS ELENA WHEN SHES LIKE DAMON LEAVE JEREMY OUT OF THIS AND IM LIKE CHICK! NO ONE COULD NEVER KEEP YOU OUT OF THINGS, YOU HAD TO BE SO INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING IF YOUR BROTHER WANTS TO HELP OR TAKE PART HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TOO! GEEZE. I REALLY DID LIKE BEKAH GETTING AT ELENA THROUGHOUT THE EPISODE.

LOL

AND THANKS!!!! I LOVE ME SOME KLAUS AS EVERYONE KNOWS LOL

[pixiestyx]

I think Elena telling Damon to leave Jeremy out of it is her trying to protect Jeremy. She hasn't made the connection yet that she and Damon are exactly alike when trying to protect the ones they love.

I thought the same thing about Klaus/Connor/The Five/Elena (and I've posted about it already). I cannot stress how much I do not want Elena to turn human again. If this is where the story is going, I want it to fail. Or for Elena to reject the option because she wants to stay with Damon.

I'm shockingly on board with a Damon/Meredith friendship. I wasn't expecting to be.

[Slash]

Elena needs to back off of Jeremy. He's got his own skills and he's shown he's capable when he saved her from the Hybrid last season. Sheltering him and taking away his choices like she's been doing isn't going to help him cause they're in this for the long haul at this point. If Jeremy is constantly seen as a 'weakness', he becomes a viable target and it just ends up an ugly cycle of her trying to move him out of harm's way. If he can handle himself, he's not such an easy target and having a friend in Damon of all people just means that he'll have back up when it's warranted.

She really needs to step off. Stefan gets free access to him if he needs help from the guy after he threw Jeremy under the bus during his Ripper bout? No. Yes, Damon killed Jeremy before but I think Jeremy would learn a lot more from his time with Damon than Stefan, at least in 'growing up' and being an asset to the group.

I want Bekah to mess more and more with Elena. Maybe ease up on everyone else (I doubt Caroline and Bonnie would like it) but just keep messing with Elena. I know the Writers will try and write it as Elena getting the 'last word' (like with the Kegstand) though.

And I don't like the possibility of her going human again either but that's from the books. I still find it amazing how everyone seems to forget about Esther's plan to turn Finn human to kill him

[endlessirene]

I'm really intrigued by 'The Five' now. I wonder what Klaus knows, and if Jeremy is one of 'The Five' since Connor said another person would replace him if he died.
I'm not sure I buy Tyler cheating on Caroline with Hayley. It seems to be a little too convenient and only there to allow Caroline and Klaus to happen as a couple.
Last week's focus on Elena's heightened compassion and not wanting to kill anything made sense. A heightened sense of "recklessness" and "adventuresome" does not make sense. It seems like the writing is all over the place with Elena right now -- it's hard to keep up.
After giving Vamplena a good time, Stefan starts to emo about how he can’t have a good time with her because apparently riding motorbikes will turn him into Stefanus again. That Motorcycle scene was terrible! Why were they wearing helmets. They are vampires.
Why is killing Rebekah wrong now but was fine last season? Stefan using the argument that a whole line of vampires would die as a reason NOT to kill Rebekah is just ridiculous . She would feel guilty?? Why would any of them care about a lot of vampires dying? Damon's got a whole "as long as it's not me (or Stefan, or Elena)" attitude, and Elena shouldn't give two craps if a ton of vampires die, as long as it's not her friends, and they're all sired from Klaus, so no worries there.
Elena learning to be a vampire with Damon's help would be a lot more interesting than Stefan holding her back (in a way). Even Caroline teaching Elena would be better than Stefan. And why should Elena have to learn in secret behind Stefan's back? I mean if he wants the best for her and Damon's "method" works, he needs to put his feelings aside and be okay with it.
What's with the Caroline-like heaping praise on Stefan, the 'bestest' vampire teacher ever? What the hell? He tried imposing his animal blood diet on Caroline, but yeah, that FAILED. It was her decision to move onto human blood/bloodbags.
And finally, if the werewolf part of the hybrid venom creates a werewolf reaction in vampires, shouldn't the vampire part create a vampire reaction in humans?

[Doppelgänger]

Did you have to repeat that cheeSE? Stefanus? omg, love that nickname.

You're right about Elena not caring about a bunch of vampires dying that they don't know. Didn't they just attempt to kill the Originals last season? Even Klaus was on the line until they realized that they all came from him. And wasn't it Stefan who killed Finn? Oh that's right cause only he can commit mass murder and get away with it. I don't remember him feeling guilty about all the dead vampires. Maybe he just stacked it on to the rest of his guilty feelings.

On the hybrids I would think if a hybrid went through the process of turning someone they would turn. We haven't really seen what would happen, have we? Hardly any humans left to experiment on.