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Post by Slash on Oct 18, 2012 21:21:52 GMT -5
We started this on chat and will continue here. A few of us have been trying to figure out what where the Hybrids begin and end with powers and weaknesses, specifically the latter.
In this past episode (04x02), Stefan removes Connor's bullets from Tyler and makes a comment about if Tyler was a regular Vampire, he'd be dead. The bullets in question are wood with an engraving on them. In other words, nothing special. Later in the episode, Damon is shot by Connor and survives. Damon falls into this 'regular Vampire' category but of course, he's A-OK afterwards.
So...why did Stefan make the comment about the bullets as if Tyler being a Hybrid was special in this case when Damon survives later in the episode?
We know for sure, you can kill a Hybrid by:
- Removing it's head
- Removing it's heart
We also know that they can be compelled by an Original (Mikael did this) and are susceptible to Vervain like Vampires, despite their Werewolf origins (we don't know about Wolfsbane; anyone know if Katherine just used Vervain grenades way back when she was posing as Elena at that prom dance between Mikael & Klaus or was there Wolfsbane in them too?).
Sunlight doesn't affect them but they need to feed on blood like Vampires. They retain the ability to change into a Wolf but the really muddy area in the show is what kind of punishment they can take cause of the Stefan comment. I mean, if you stake a Hybrid, would he live? Klaus makes things a bit more confusing cause he has the Original traits on top of his Hybrid stuff.
You would think a Hybrid would be the best of both worlds with little to none of the weaknesses. Super strength, speed, endurance, immunity to sunlight/Wolfsbane/Vervain, can change into a Wolf but isn't forced to on a full moon, immortality, etc.. The show, for how much of a focal point Hybrids have been, hasn't really laid out what Hybrids can and can't do and hasn't cemented them as being the upset to balance that the Witches feared.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 18, 2012 21:31:45 GMT -5
Inconclusive whether a sword can kill a werewolf but that was Jules and apparently it did not kill her.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 18, 2012 21:35:36 GMT -5
So is it like their other part cancels out what usually kills the one supernatural? Both are killed by decapitation and heart removal so that wouldn't change.
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Post by Slash on Oct 18, 2012 21:49:45 GMT -5
The head and heart removal is consistent between both. It's just that being a Hybrid, one would think the sheer edge in power/speed would allow them to prevent this from happening but we've seen 2 Hybrids decapitated (one by a human) and a few with their hearts removed with little to no effort on the part of the culprit =\
The daggers that put Originals down are made of silver and Elijah mentioned that because of Klaus' Wolf half, the daggers weren't useable on him at all cause the Wolf half negates the silver. The silver aspect doesn't work on Vampires in this series, right? So...?
The 'Sire Bond' is supposed to be a Vampire aspect according to Damon that rarely happens but Klaus has it as a standard thing for his Hybrids which kind of makes it like a pack with him in the Alpha role.
We don't really have much to go on for Werewolves. They're vulnerable in their human form so they're easy pickings all but one night of the month. It's when they change that they're a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 22:16:24 GMT -5
When Klaus was in Tyler's body and his hand morphed so that he could rip out Tyler's heart for a second I was surprised like what's happening? I forgot about that aspect because you rarely see the hybrids utilizing their werewolf side. I even forget that Klaus is a werewolf too.
I bet if Klaus' hybrids had surrounded that party in their werewolf forms it wouldn't have been as easy for Mikael to compel them. As I don't think a werewolf could be compelled in their wolf form, and if so it's not like a vampire would get that close to try anyways since a wolf bite is fatal to them.
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Post by Slash on Oct 18, 2012 22:21:53 GMT -5
I think the most we've seen from the Wolves is eyes and the canines out while in a human state. I don't think we've honestly seen something before like Klaus just drawing out claws (HAHA!). So it makes me wonder if as a Hybrid, they can hit a middle ground. Can a Hybrid draw out the claws and give them even more of an offensive edge in a fight against a regular Vampire?
That's another interesting thing. We know Vampires can be compelled by the Originals but if the Hybrids were in Wolf form, would they be immune to the compulsions?
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Post by pixiestyx on Oct 18, 2012 22:31:37 GMT -5
Also......do they have vampire fangs and wolf fangs?
So much about the hybrids are murky.
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Post by Slash on Oct 18, 2012 22:35:00 GMT -5
Fangs/Canines? I don't think it's ever said. Seeing though as they need blood, I'd say fangs but maybe both? They probably have the canines when they change but that's just a guess cause if they're in that form and sink into and lock their jaw on someone, having fangs would be perfect cause they could suck someone dry at the same time.
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Post by pixiestyx on Oct 18, 2012 22:54:58 GMT -5
I don't know, I just thought of the teeth thing. They probably have both canine/vampire fangs.
Can they be wolfed and vamped out at the same time?
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Post by Ruby2579 on Oct 18, 2012 22:55:48 GMT -5
I think the bullet caught tyler in his heart maybe thats why stefan made that comment.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 19, 2012 0:00:32 GMT -5
When Klaus was in Tyler's body and his hand morphed so that he could rip out Tyler's heart for a second I was surprised like what's happening? I forgot about that aspect because you rarely see the hybrids utilizing their werewolf side. I even forget that Klaus is a werewolf too. I bet if Klaus' hybrids had surrounded that party in their werewolf forms it wouldn't have been as easy for Mikael to compel them. As I don't think a werewolf could be compelled in their wolf form, and if so it's not like a vampire would get that close to try anyways since a wolf bite is fatal to them. Another good question. Can werewolfs be compelled and are hybrids really the best of both worlds or do any of the weaknesses come through, like any other hybrid breed? |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Oct 19, 2012 10:33:13 GMT -5
I do hope they explore more on the hybrids this season rather then them being killed in seconds. I do love how Tyler took one for the team. He was kind of awesome in this episode. I loved his speech. He was willing to be the decoy so Elena can get out of there and I loved how Damon was talking to all of them. Damon is so smart lol Also I wonder how Elena was able to control herself from stopping from drinking Matt's Blood. And is it me or did Matt loose weight
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Post by phoenix on Oct 28, 2012 5:19:03 GMT -5
I do hope they explore more on the hybrids this season rather then them being killed in seconds. I do love how Tyler took one for the team. He was kind of awesome in this episode. I loved his speech. He was willing to be the decoy so Elena can get out of there and I loved how Damon was talking to all of them. Damon is so smart lol Also I wonder how Elena was able to control herself from stopping from drinking Matt's Blood. And is it me or did Matt loose weight I also loved how Tyler took one for the team. And his speech was speaking directly to his friends. That was awesome. I have been wondering how Elena was able to control herself with Matt since she turned. I don't like how the rules are different for her. She's a baby vamp and should not have been able to control herself especially since she was so hungry and hadn't "eaten" in days. Ok back on topic................. The hybrids seem to be easy prey for a vampire so I'm guessing that they only have their werewolf qualities during the full moon cycle or while they are in werewolf form. They have the ability to transform at will but don't have to if they don't want to. While in human form they have the qualities of a regular vampire and are less capable against an older vampire. Basically what I mean to say is that since hybrids are relatively new, they only have the strength of a newly turned vampire. Any vampire older than they are would be stronger. Having said that.....Elena is the newest vampire so she would not be as strong as a hybrid that was turned before she was..........does that make any sense to anyone? I swear it sounded better in my head.  After last weeks episode (4x04) I'd have to say that they have both fangs and canine's. Connor (the dentist) drew the werewolf venom and it looked like Tyler's canine's were coming out but stopped midway because of the paralyzing drug. The writers really need to define what a hybrid's strengths and weaknesses are, especially if they are going to be around for a while and it seems like they will continue to be a part of the show. I find it confusing because of Klaus and his abilities as an Original. Also, being the oldest living werewolf (that we know of) could he also have added abilities or strengths as an "original werewolf? Kind of like being an Original vampire means they can only be killed by the white oak wood. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 28, 2012 6:39:17 GMT -5
I think hybrids can change into werewolves at will can't they? They aren't slaves to the moon. I thought that was the thing both Klaus and Tyler were most happy about when they became hybrids. So I'm thinkiing that you guys must be right and they have two sets of teeth, one for vampire and one for werewolf. I know I have noticed Klaus having two. I didn't pay attention on Tyler last episode. I was too busy wincing at the idea of someone jabbing a needle into his gums. I also think it is correct that they are like baby vamps when they first get turned so not as powerful as an older vamp unless maybe they werewolf out, but we really haven't seen that. They usually get taken by surprise when they die. Or do they have all the qualities of a werewolf while in human form? JP needs to be giving us some explanations here.  |
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Post by phoenix on Oct 28, 2012 6:51:43 GMT -5
When it comes to the hybrids *In my best Ricky Ricardo - I love Lucy impersonation* JP has a lotta esplanin to do.
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