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Post by Slash on Oct 28, 2012 9:30:17 GMT -5
Yes, Hybrids have the ability to change at will. It's one of the 'perks' the Werewolves have after becoming one. My problem with this is if they're more 'comfortable' as Werewolves after all this time, why not play to that strength and have Hybrids transform? Why is it the ratio of Hybrids that 'prefer' the Vampire approach when they're natively Werewolves so lopsided? Or are we supposed to say none of them get a chance to make that decision in a fight because they die so quickly. If Klaus were to even pick up an older Werewolf who enjoyed that part of their life or an 'Anti-Vampire' one, they'd by nature/habit use their Wolf aspects. When are we going to see this? But yes, Klaus is the wildcard in all this. With his age, we don't know what 'perks' he's gained on his Werewolf side from being that old cause for what we know, Werewolves aren't immortal. They'd top off at certain ages. Klaus has this option to be a different kind of monster and he doesn't even take it  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 28, 2012 9:51:36 GMT -5
I'd like to see the hybrids turn into wolves and give some vamps a run for their money. They were supposed to be like a super race, an abomination of nature, and we have yet to see it.
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Post by Slash on Oct 28, 2012 10:01:09 GMT -5
Michael in Underworld was a mixture of both. The claws and a similar skin tone to the Lycans but was more 'human' in appearance aside from that like Vampires. Was faster/stronger/more durable than any other Vampire/Lycan and could even come back to life from a mortal wound.
I like how Underworld has been playing with the 'Hybrids/Original bloodline' story. Selene is a 'super' Vampire now after having pure blood given to her who can walk in the sun and her blood can bring others back to life. Marcus was able to transform into a more 'bat' like appearance and fly/become stronger/could use his wings as weapons (he was given Lycan blood). Still haven't seen a Lycan get the treatment though (Lucian would have been that I guess unless Marcus planned to turn William too but William is the Original Werewolf so he may have turned out entirely different).
I'm just bothered that Hybrids have been a focal point for some time in TVD but they don't seem thought out at all, at least in comparison to UW but I guess comparing a show to a few movies is a stretch (wish they'd go ahead with an UW show like they've been talking about wanting to do).
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 28, 2012 13:29:33 GMT -5
CW uses real wolves for werewolves cause I think the special effects must cost a fortune and take alot of time to produce. But they can still get the same effect of a hybrid transforming into his wolf form and then we'd know he was even deadlier to the vamps. They really should be afraid of these hybrids but they've made a joke out of them which is unfortunate, kinda like Mikael and how badass he was supposed to be and poof he was an easy kill for Klaus. Only took him 1000 years to stop running and turn around and stake him. duh!
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Post by Slash on Oct 28, 2012 13:55:46 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of just using 'Wolves' but I understand the budget limitations. I don't mind the 'Wolves' usage but I'd like something a little bigger. No, not Twilight big which I think is ridiculous. Something somewhere in the middle (maybe Wolves that come up to your waist or stomach but not as tall[er] as you when standing on all fours like in Twilight). Otherwise, I'm a fan of the bipedal designs. UW has spoiled me.
JP/the Writers need to do something to assert the dominance of the Hybrids and why they were such a threat that the Witches went through so much trouble to keep them from happening (sealing Klaus).
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Post by phoenix on Oct 28, 2012 20:34:10 GMT -5
The hybrids probably do prefer to remain in their human/vampire form. From what I remember of Tyler's transformation in season 1, he said it was very painful and I think Tyler said to Caroline he was grateful he didn't have to go through it anymore.
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Post by Slash on Oct 28, 2012 20:57:24 GMT -5
All your bones are reforming so yes, very painful. And a long, drawn out thing for them. So it does probably turn into a convenience thing for them cause changing takes up so much time and on the spot, it's just not possible to do.
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Post by phoenix on Oct 30, 2012 4:03:28 GMT -5
Besides the inconvenience of the transformation, there's a control issue too isn't there?
Werewolves/hybrids in wolf form (mentally) seem to become more animal than human so they have little control over what they do and rely solely on their animal instincts. In a fight this could be an advantage but they would loose the strategic logical thinking of their human side so it could also be a disadvantage.
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Post by Slash on Oct 30, 2012 10:27:48 GMT -5
Still an area we don't know much about. Remember when Mason first showed up and he attacked some of them in the woods but Tyler got him to go away. At that time, he understood it was Tyler so it looked like Mason had some control.
Jules is kind of inconsistent too. She was able to show up at the Salvatore house (probably changed outside) and target Damon after his run-in with her but later, she wakes up in a camp site, having killed some people looking kind of surprised that she did it. That night too, she seemed to be able to stave off the beast for a certain amount of time as well before transforming.
Really, we need more info on the Werewolf side of things as far as their rules are concerned and what's possible with them so we can fit those parts into the Hybrid puzzle.
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Post by phoenix on Oct 31, 2012 15:17:06 GMT -5
Still an area we don't know much about. Remember when Mason first showed up and he attacked some of them in the woods but Tyler got him to go away. At that time, he understood it was Tyler so it looked like Mason had some control. Jules is kind of inconsistent too. She was able to show up at the Salvatore house (probably changed outside) and target Damon after his run-in with her but later, she wakes up in a camp site, having killed some people looking kind of surprised that she did it. That night too, she seemed to be able to stave off the beast for a certain amount of time as well before transforming. Really, we need more info on the Werewolf side of things as far as their rules are concerned and what's possible with them so we can fit those parts into the Hybrid puzzle.I normally don't have a lot of interest in werewolves but in the case of this show, more information is almost a necessity at this point. I'm not sure if TPTB are purposely keeping us in the dark so they can spring something on us later or if they're doing it so they can change the rules as it suits their purposes. It's actually quite frustrating at this point and I'd really like them to spend one episode explaining how werewolves came to be, who cursed the original werewolf and why and what their abilities are. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 16:14:51 GMT -5
Still an area we don't know much about. Remember when Mason first showed up and he attacked some of them in the woods but Tyler got him to go away. At that time, he understood it was Tyler so it looked like Mason had some control. Jules is kind of inconsistent too. She was able to show up at the Salvatore house (probably changed outside) and target Damon after his run-in with her but later, she wakes up in a camp site, having killed some people looking kind of surprised that she did it. That night too, she seemed to be able to stave off the beast for a certain amount of time as well before transforming. Really, we need more info on the Werewolf side of things as far as their rules are concerned and what's possible with them so we can fit those parts into the Hybrid puzzle.I normally don't have a lot of interest in werewolves but in the case of this show, more information is almost a necessity at this point. I'm not sure if TPTB are purposely keeping us in the dark so they can spring something on us later or if they're doing it so they can change the rules as it suits their purposes. It's actually quite frustrating at this point and I'd really like them to spend one episode explaining how werewolves came to be, who cursed the original werewolf and why and what their abilities are. I kinda think that they don't care to explain too much about werewolves because majority of people as a whole probably don't care for it anyways since there's rarely any complaints from fans on that end. In fact I see people complaining when the story happens to become wolf centric like in season 2 with the mason arc and again with Jules. Though it would be nice to get answers but given the show is called The Vampire Diaries it's probably not on their list of priorities. It's kind of why we're still in the dark about witches in a way. This would also explain why hybrids act more like their vampire counterparts than utilizing the skills of their other werewolf half. |
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Post by Slash on Oct 31, 2012 18:01:50 GMT -5
I lean more towards the Werewolf side of things in general when it comes to the two. That's kind of why I want more answers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 18:19:19 GMT -5
Yeah well some spoilers were talking about another of Klaus' hybrid that actually has a named actor so he might be sticking around for a while. So in that case we'll probably actually get to see a hybrid use his whole arsenal. Although if not you could always just tweet JP and see if she answers those wolf questions  |
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Post by Slash on Oct 31, 2012 18:31:03 GMT -5
Why do we need a new Hybrid to come into the picture when we have Tyler? Shouldn't he be exposing us to these answers since he's a main character? And I'd think Hayley showing up would probably answer some questions too on the Werewolf side of things. And yes, please someone tweet JP. I think to a point, I'm kind of tired of Vampires getting the spotlight as well recently  I need to find more Werewolf/Shifter reading material honestly too. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 18:45:10 GMT -5
I think Tyler's the exception to the rule But didn't Tyler hate his werewolf side? He was happy to be a hybrid so he wouldn't have to turn. If it wasn't for Caroline's urging he'd still be under the sire bond. I usually just classify Tyler as 'one of the vamps' because that's what he comes off as now. He barely seems to use any of his werewolf perks now. Well not that I remember anyways. He really hasn't been in a battle as of late aside from the small encounters with Connor and he mostly used his vamp speed/hearing in those regards. In fact when's the last time we've even seen a wolf on screen? Not to break the fourth wall or anything but it's probably cost of cgi effects of the wolf that they're really not utilizing the full use of the hybrid. Maybe they'll save it for a special episode or something.  |
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