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Post by Princess of Darkness on May 7, 2015 4:16:18 GMT -5
Yeah, it would be really lovely if they'd filmed scenes prior to her departure so that Elena could still play a part (however small) in next season.. not just a flash forward in the coming finale. Idk, unlike some may speculate, I won't be quitting the show simply for the loss of Delena, though that does sting like hell after the journey we've been on with them. It isn't like I've only watched the show for them... but what I'm picturing is BTVS without Buffy. I've always loved many characters on this show- and the relationships between them all- but truly without Elena, TVD cannot be the same for me. There will be a giant, gaping hole in the show- not to mention many of the viewer's hearts, because Nina wasn't just some insignificant part of the show- she IS the show. For me, her story was why TVD hit home with me so much so- from the many deaths of loved ones at a young age, her dealing with all that loss she's experienced, her confusion in love, and her growth. So even if other characters had big parts to play in the story, and even if the show technically started as Stefan's story... most of those other characters we've come to know in the show have been Elena's family, friends, her enemies, her lovers- most plots carried out; ultimately all about her struggles, her losses, her victories, it's all been her story. She has always been the centerpiece. But honestly, do you really see them "trapping" Elena somewhere at the end of this season- some other dimension or whatever they could come up with? I mean, that was a pretty big part in this season's story- with Bonnie and Damon having both been trapped. I suppose it's not like they haven't recycled story lines and points before. Wow, long time no see! I saw you lurking on twitter and now you're back! We missed you.
As for the ending, we've run the gammut in the DE Spoilers and Speculations thread about all the different options for what they could do with Elena. Some would keep her story going and some wouldn't. I mean with this show anything can happen. Elena dying is about the worst ending I can think of for her so I kind of hope not but some would prefer it to her just not being there and keeping the story alive. They'd rather cut ties with her death. So everyone feels a little bit different about it as well. I've seen some really out there ideas so it's not so easy to conclude what their plans may be but I hope they do Delena and Elena justice with whatever they do. Hey  I've missed you guys too. It has been a long time! I've checked up on you guys here a few times, but you know, lurking from the shadows. I've kept a distance from most speculation/drama/spoilers.. as well as my rather once unhealthy obsession for the show. But I'll be around here for the time being, at least until the finale. I am with you on Elena's death, and also the point AnbuPrincess brought up, that making her human would be seemingly pointless just to kill her off. I really do hope they do Damon and Elena justice in whatever they do too... but it won't be anything we aren't use to if they screw us. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 7:24:53 GMT -5
In regards to Nina playing a part in next season, I remember bringing up phone calls, of course that's not as ideal but it's hard to think that JP planned that far ahead in season 7 to get Nina to cameo for certain things when they only plan ahead a couple of episodes at a time and scenes get cut/deleted from the final showing. Though I wouldn't mind if somehow they managed to get Elena to show up for a quick scene or something. But that would feel like pouring salt on the wound since she'd only be there for a brief moment when you wish the character could stay longer.
My take on not viewing next season (depending on how this ending goes) while no Delena is a part of it, it also stems from the fact of being fearful of OOC characterizations. Elena who has been so engraved in these characters lives and relationships, well now that has to be written out conveniently. They can't keep Damon mopey or depressed over Elena forever and there could be a possible time skip to further the grieving stage so everyone is 'over it' and can continue on with whatever these other stories to tell, JP mentioned in an interview a while back. Most of Damon's relationships like Alaric/Enzo have been sacrificed in an effort to give Bamon more significance. And Alaric has already flat out stated that Jo and the twins are his life so that tells me he'll hell probably next to no scenes with Damon next episode.
I don't particularly care for Caroline's character, I can only take so much of her lol, so I don't seem that thrilled to see her be on my screen 24/7 as the new heroine. I mean as you mentioned with your take on Elena being gone, it's one thing if this was a character like Jeremy, where the show won't take much of a hit with him gone, but you can't just get one of your main leads who was also part of this relationship that basically carried the entire show (all the foreshadows/slow burns/hints/build ups that the writers gave so much significance to DE's relationship) and then next season have to somehow make all these characters pretend like it never existed. I just can't see the show not being OOC.
Nina leaving is unexpected so I know they're going to try to work with what they got but nonetheless it'll still feel weird and OOC. Even this season the writers had to retcon Damon and Elena's relationship, suddenly making Elena all about wanting a family and kids, something that she hasn't talked about since like season 2. She was comfortable in her vampirism and in no where was there any hints that she was 'struggling' with wanting to be human again. It came out of left field, and now learning about Nina's leave later on in the season we know why.
As for Elena being trapped, it's mainly from a rumor that mentioned something about Kai casting a spell (sleeping) on Elena or something and it's a choice between killing Bonnie to 'wake' her or something like that, it's just a rumor but it's also a way to keep Delena in play.
With the 6x22 ep description, there's a mention of some unexpected guest showing up and thus leaving Elena in terrible jeopardy and it also goes on to state that Damon is forced to make the most difficult decision of his life. There were also some episode stills posted where we see the gang, everyone but Elena, all in a room and staring at Damon and we see other stills of Bonnie/Caroline looking sad.
With these things in mind I think of three possible endings. The unexpected guest causes drama, Elena barely manages to come out of whatever fiasco alive, it's then decided that staying in Mystic is too dangerous and so she gets her goodbye scenes with everyone, Damon's saved for last, Delena angst as the two have to let each other go with promises of always loving each other, and Elena leaves town. This doesn't have to mean that Elena randomly ends up with some other guy. Damon can easily state that once he finishes the big bad drama in Mystic to make sure she's officially safe, he'll come find her.
Two, Elena ends up dying but that's tragic and it's the end of the character in general so there's no hope for any cameo in season 7 at all and it doesn't fit in with the excitement of Nina and the writers wanting to see Elena's epic journey. It doesn't make sense for the writers to be excited for their fans to see their main heroine lead die. So essentially they wasted our times and had her turn into a human just to die, so the character doesn't even get to enjoy the human retcon they had us sit through.
And then that leads to three, unexpected guest, Elena in jeopardy, yada yada. Elena has to be 'sacrificed' somehow to either save everyone, save Bonnie who's possibly casting a spell or gets linked to her or whatever. 6x22 says that Bonnie takes matters into her own hands so we can only assume that means things are going to hit the fan/go wrong or something. So Elena will either be sent to another prison world to keep safe, have some spell cast on her (like the rumored one about Kai's sleeping spell) where she will be essentially preserved until they can find some way to awake her and it can be a goal of season 7.
This scenario just helps keep Delena in play instead of outright ending it cause of course as much as it seems silly to 'only watch for my ship' type of thing, we do have to keep in mind that the Delena fandom has constantly been screwed over countless times and we've waited patiently for years to finally get our ship together and happy but JP constantly pulls the rug out from under us. There use to be a time where the story and characters were engaging that Delena was just a nice added bonus, but eventually with the lost of KW and Narducci and bad decisions from JP and CD, the show just hasn't been what it used to be. So the finale will be make it or break it for some Delena fans and a couple of us has stated on here that it'd be a bit of a relief to finally just be free of this show and to move on. I've personally endured these countless roadblocks to DE and bad writing and retcons, while having to explain away that, 'Oh this roadblock is necessary cause Damon/Elena will finally be able to understand each other better or blah blah' just because I convinced myself that there was no way the writers would put DE through all of this and not give us some reward, some happy ending. The sad truth is that Delena is going to end come finale and we've literally never gotten Delena. They could never be happy for more than one episode before drama struck again.
Wow my point got away from me there, whoops. But basically I won't be able to stomach no Delena next season but then have to be forced to watch Damon and Bonnie scenes with their hastily thrown together friendship that's probably convenient for the finale when it comes to some 'choice' and watch as the writers try to fanbait this pairing without really going there. That's just more salt in the wound for me.
But basically keeping Elena in some type of 'limbo' where she's trapped/sleeping or whatever also helps to keep the characters consistent. Elena won't be forgotten in non existent land cause getting her back will be one of the goals for season 7. Damon can be kept in character because Delena didn't split up or Elena died or whatever so there's no need for no humanity Damon or having to go, 'Hmm how many episodes should Damon grieve Elena?' he can just be normal with the goal of reuniting with Elena as a constant drive. Again it may not be the ideal situation but at this point it's like choosing the lesser of two evils. Elena dying or Delena breaking up just seems really anti climatic after everything.
Hmm, well that was a lot. I haven't really kept up with this stuff so much. I don't often hear the other views/opinions of the fanbase anymore. I don't usually read spoilers or interviews. I don't even watch the trailers, guys. Lol. It's been a long time since I've put much effort into this show/fandom.. but it's pretty interesting to read this, and some of the other stuff you all have been posting. The funny thing is, I actually like Bonnie and Damon and their little bond. Believe me, I never saw that coming. I've actually enjoyed their friendship, and I've enjoyed the progression of Caroline and Stefan's relationship as well... but it did occur to me after the news broke, that these things were actually clever (or not-so-clever) shifting points to start to pave the way for Elena's departure. Personally, I really like your positive thinking on the whole Delena thing. It's comforting (at least for me) to think that if scenario one or three that you mentioned come to fruition, they'll still find some way to write a Damon and Elena "endgame" into the story the way that you have described. I'd like to have faith that it'll happen that way. Maybe I'm just cynical but, I don't completely believe that even after everything they've put the DE fanbase through, they'll do DE- or the show for that matter- justice when it counts. I do hope that things turn out the best that they possibly can, since they had to make the (in my opinion,) ridiculous decision to continue the show w/out Nina. But yeah, we all know where our hope with this show has gotten us in the past. Oh right I don't think you were around during the creation of the 'Damon and Elena spoilers and speculation thread'. Hope I didn't unnecessarily ruin some of your excitement/expectations with some of those spoiler tidbits! The spoilers have just ended up becoming a sort necessary security for us, it was hard sitting through things like the season 3 finale or the sire bond, no humanity Elena, toxic DE storyline without having any clear idea on where the writers were even going. Most of the storylines were dragged out and wouldn't be solved till the finale and if I was just a casual fan who didn't know, 'Oh JP said there will be an upcoming Damon and Elena scene that will showcase the extent of their love for each other' or something of that accord, I'd probably explode lol.
So yeah I'm one of those DE fans who thought all these angst-y roadblocks were necessary to further strengthen Delena's relationship so I've always remained positive and believed that the writers wouldn't put Delena through all these roadblocks for them to not end up endgame, of course until we learned that Nina was leaving which changes everything since Elena's character won't be there and in essence no more physical Delena on screen.
Of course just because Nina is leaving doesn't mean the writers just have to end Delena's relationship and that they have no choice. And if they use that excuse that's just them being lazy and not creative enough. Looking around on tumblr/twitter/and here, we've all come up with ways to keep Delena alive in some way so it's not some completely impossible thing. But I also know that sometimes us fans who are so passionate about the show and characters do more thinking and analyzing than the writers themselves do.
So going back to what you said, it is mainly about being positive and hoping that the writers won't just end their biggest relationship on the show. Personally if I spent so much time and effort in a relationship on a show I couldn't find myself just shrugging my shoulders going, 'Oh well.' I mean it's one thing if this was season 2, but it's six seasons into the show, character relationships have already been built in the long run and season 7 is possibly the last so the writers can easily manage to do something creative for one season to keep DE alive and then come finale invite Nina back to guest star and we get our Delena ending.
I mean I do still find it odd that the writers knew before this season started that Nina was leaving and this season look what they did to Elena's character and the DE memory storyline, it started off great and then got shoved in the background, like an afterthought. Elena got her memories back but it wasn't as satisfying as it could have been because the characters just sort of forgot about it for the past 15 episodes and basically treated Elena as if she did have her memories. I just hope the writers don't give us some badly written, tragic end and claim it as epic or something.
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 7, 2015 7:52:30 GMT -5
Hmm, well that was a lot. I haven't really kept up with this stuff so much. I don't often hear the other views/opinions of the fanbase anymore. I don't usually read spoilers or interviews. I don't even watch the trailers, guys. Lol. It's been a long time since I've put much effort into this show/fandom.. but it's pretty interesting to read this, and some of the other stuff you all have been posting. The funny thing is, I actually like Bonnie and Damon and their little bond. Believe me, I never saw that coming. I've actually enjoyed their friendship, and I've enjoyed the progression of Caroline and Stefan's relationship as well... but it did occur to me after the news broke, that these things were actually clever (or not-so-clever) shifting points to start to pave the way for Elena's departure. Personally, I really like your positive thinking on the whole Delena thing. It's comforting (at least for me) to think that if scenario one or three that you mentioned come to fruition, they'll still find some way to write a Damon and Elena "endgame" into the story the way that you have described. I'd like to have faith that it'll happen that way. Maybe I'm just cynical but, I don't completely believe that even after everything they've put the DE fanbase through, they'll do DE- or the show for that matter- justice when it counts. I do hope that things turn out the best that they possibly can, since they had to make the (in my opinion,) ridiculous decision to continue the show w/out Nina. But yeah, we all know where our hope with this show has gotten us in the past. Oh right I don't think you were around during the creation of the 'Damon and Elena spoilers and speculation thread'. Hope I didn't unnecessarily ruin some of your excitement/expectations with some of those spoiler tidbits! The spoilers have just ended up becoming a sort necessary security for us, it was hard sitting through things like the season 3 finale or the sire bond, no humanity Elena, toxic DE storyline without having any clear idea on where the writers were even going. Most of the storylines were dragged out and wouldn't be solved till the finale and if I was just a casual fan who didn't know, 'Oh JP said there will be an upcoming Damon and Elena scene that will showcase the extent of their love for each other' or something of that accord, I'd probably explode lol.
So yeah I'm one of those DE fans who thought all these angst-y roadblocks were necessary to further strengthen Delena's relationship so I've always remained positive and believed that the writers wouldn't put Delena through all these roadblocks for them to not end up endgame, of course until we learned that Nina was leaving which changes everything since Elena's character won't be there and in essence no more physical Delena on screen.
Of course just because Nina is leaving doesn't mean the writers just have to end Delena's relationship and that they have no choice. And if they use that excuse that's just them being lazy and not creative enough. Looking around on tumblr/twitter/and here, we've all come up with ways to keep Delena alive in some way so it's not some completely impossible thing. But I also know that sometimes us fans who are so passionate about the show and characters do more thinking and analyzing than the writers themselves do.
So going back to what you said, it is mainly about being positive and hoping that the writers won't just end their biggest relationship on the show. Personally if I spent so much time and effort in a relationship on a show I couldn't find myself just shrugging my shoulders going, 'Oh well.' I mean it's one thing if this was season 2, but it's six seasons into the show, character relationships have already been built in the long run and season 7 is possibly the last so the writers can easily manage to do something creative for one season to keep DE alive and then come finale invite Nina back to guest star and we get our Delena ending.
I mean I do still find it odd that the writers knew before this season started that Nina was leaving and this season look what they did to Elena's character and the DE memory storyline, it started off great and then got shoved in the background, like an afterthought. Elena got her memories back but it wasn't as satisfying as it could have been because the characters just sort of forgot about it for the past 15 episodes and basically treated Elena as if she did have her memories. I just hope the writers don't give us some badly written, tragic end and claim it as epic or something.
That's the problem with the showrunner trying to run three shows at once and while Caroline Dries stepped up and took over a lot of the day to day I'm sure Julie Plec still has a lot to do with how the story goes and if she's got her head in three places at once we get stuff that isn't well thought out and just thrown at us and I think that's the main problem here. As soon as she started dividing her time between TVD and TO is when things started to get poor in the writing department. With minimal leadership the writers aren't going to write anything that powerful. They're just going to maintain the status quo until told to go in a certain direction. So that's why we've seen the story just meander around with no direction, plot holes everywhere. Julie Plec has not been as hands on as she needed to be to make the show really work well and it's a damn shame.
I don't consider Caroline Dries that great of a writer. I hated some of her episodes like "Dangerous Liasons" where Elena was so ooc it wasn't even funny. The inconsistency since she became a showrunner really shows. She didn't even have the experience to be a showrunner to begin with. Had Narducci taken over the show then we would have had a hugely better written show. He was awesome, but Julie stole him away to TO instead. I blame her for everything! But you know what they say, s*** rolls uphill, so the failure of this show to maintain it's momentum and really shine falls squarely on her shoulders no matter what. We're basically at her mercy now as to how this all ends and whether or not she even gives a s*** at this point. After all she cannablized this show taking away a lot of the best writers and actors. How much does she really even care about it now?
I knew we were doomed when Caroline Dries said they were taking the show away from the supernatural element and more toward the interpersonal relationships. It's a vampire show damnit, treat it like one! That's what made this show so unique. I can watch human interactions in a thousand other places. Anyway...I could rant all day about the failures of the people that run the show and I probably will after all of this is said and done and I can pick apart all of it piece by piece.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 6:29:17 GMT -5
 
 
delenah:
2x11/5x21 (They put 5x21 on their gifset but we know it's a typo for 6x21 haha lol)
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 21:12:39 GMT -5
typicaldamon:
#after the Mystic Falls Dance near hand touch, they finally get to touch hands #they finally get to close those hands together #have them where they belong
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 18:57:00 GMT -5
Elena Gilbert’s first and last shot
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Post by Doppelgänger on Aug 23, 2015 16:49:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 7:37:27 GMT -5
Funny season 6 blooper popped up on my dash lol
But I’d give it up in a second to be your husband. Your partner. The mother of your kids.  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 5, 2015 21:24:39 GMT -5
So true...people who think Damon is just going to get over Elena are sadly mistaken. That would NOT be Damon.  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 29, 2016 16:55:46 GMT -5
I haven't posted in here for a while but this one was just perfect...  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 29, 2016 19:38:48 GMT -5
The look on Damon's face says it all. He's never going to feel like that for anyone else again. Giving everything up? Being a husband? A Father? Only true love could make Damon want those things with Elena, things he probably thought he'd never have the chance to have again...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 7:43:37 GMT -5
So found a post on tumblr about a small detail regarding some DE scenes that we likely overlooked. It really makes you wonder if all of these are actually coincidences or very well intentional on the writer's part lol. itoy247 I thought I should put this in a post in case someone is interested in these kinds of simple but extremely beautiful details Because it’s not the first time and I don’t think it’s a coincidence - Just like the two rounded bracelets on Elena’s beside table in 3x03 forming an “eternity sign ” as Elena rolls over and rests on Damon’s chest  - And there was the necklace that Elena wore in 4x23 when she told Damon that she’s in love with him, which also had two intertwined circles representing the “eternity sign”  In THIS article (http://www.prweb.com/releases/BeadLoversKorner/TheVampireDiaries/prweb11251288.htm) we find that in 5x02 kissing scene (the one where the song I don’t deserve you) played in the background … Elena was wearing a specially designed earrings called “Eternity Reflection Earrings” designed by Gari Anne Kosanke  she describe the earrings as “Two identical golden-bronze crystals linked together with a silver eternity sign “  It’s also worth mentioning that Elena wore those earrings JUST for this scene .. she was wearing different earrings since the beginning of the episode in both day and night scenes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 19:02:22 GMT -5
This isn't really about Delena itself perse, but it does address some things talked about in regards to wanting these characters to experience some happy moments from time to time instead of this all you can eat angst buffet. Having everything be a constant trainwreck of everything bad that can happen, always happening, isn't a sign of great and interesting writing if it always happens. Like it's put here, that's when it becomes bland and suddenly having all the characters alive and happy is suddenly the shocking plot twist lol. This post also nearly has 20k posts in notes. secularbakedgoods.tumblr.com/post/145271316765/i-know-ive-talked-about-this-before-but-im"I know I’ve talked about this before, but I’m really sick of seeing writers who should know better say things like, “Tragedy is more compelling than stories where characters have a nice day and nothing bad happens!” without understanding why.
Tragedy is an effective story element when it’s a deviation from the norm. A character’s peaceful existence is disrupted by a catastrophic event that throws everything into chaos. The character now has to either develop so they can cope with the new status quo, or find a way to put things back the way they were. There’s a good story in that.
But when a character’s life is an unrelenting cavalcade of misery, another heaping dose of s*** isn’t all that interesting. At that point, a compelling deviation from the norm would be said character having a nice day where nothing bad happens. And modern fiction is chock-full of misery porn, so by this logic, it’s no wonder the coffee shop AU is such a popular fanfiction trope.
Derek Hale getting a dog and putting his life back together is way more interesting than Derek Hale’s life getting worse for the 26th consecutive episode. Creators like to hold up “everything is fine and nobody dies” as a sign that fanfic is bland and badly written, but if anything, it’s an indicator that mainstream fiction is bland and badly written."
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I've missed you guys too. It has been a long time! I've checked up on you guys here a few times, but you know, lurking from the shadows. I've kept a distance from most speculation/drama/spoilers.. as well as my rather once unhealthy obsession for the show. But I'll be around here for the time being, at least until the finale. 
