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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 25, 2013 17:44:04 GMT -5
How about, remember all the crap you said about Damon having no humanity and basically being unsaveable? I guess that's me now, huh? *zing*
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 25, 2013 18:06:17 GMT -5
Good one Doppel!!!! Well if she can at least say like five of them I would be happy!!
Or
Remember those times that I made horrible plans and since you respected my decisions Jenna ended up dying?
Remember that time you helped me break Damon's neck and we made a plan to make a deal with Esther that ultimately spiraled out of control and she turned Alaric into that horrible monster. Yeah don't let me make decisions for myself.
HAHA
Remember all of those times you tried to tell me not to care because Damon was a monster and not savable. Look at my boyfriend NOW!
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Mar 4, 2013 14:33:50 GMT -5
We get an SE fight supposedly coming up. I'm not cheering this fight on. i just want to see the dynamics of these two. So much has changed for them. I want to see if Elena says anything I hoped she'd say to Stefan!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 4, 2013 15:13:19 GMT -5
Well she sort of hit him hard with what she said when Bekah compelled her. I'm wondering what else she could possibly say really. I suppose she could hit him in his Ripper, where it really hurts. While he is lecturing her on how not to feed on people she might say something about the Ripper trying to tell her how to live...ouchie. But she HAS said things like that before, remember when she was drinking at that party and he told her to slow down and she said he was a blood addict trying to tell her how to drink? I can't think of alot more she can say to him. Can you? Unless....and this is just wishful thinking, she actually comes clean about why she chose him at the end of season 3 which was not because she loved him more at the time but because she was more afraid he'd walk away and she was right. But that would make DEs too happy so it's unlikely. We aren't allowed to be happy.  |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Mar 4, 2013 16:26:51 GMT -5
Well she sort of hit him hard with what she said when Bekah compelled her. I'm wondering what else she could possibly say really. I suppose she could hit him in his Ripper, where it really hurts. While he is lecturing her on how not to feed on people she might say something about the Ripper trying to tell her how to live...ouchie. But she HAS said things like that before, remember when she was drinking at that party and he told her to slow down and she said he was a blood addict trying to tell her how to drink? I can't think of alot more she can say to him. Can you? Unless....and this is just wishful thinking, she actually comes clean about why she chose him at the end of season 3 which was not because she loved him more at the time but because she was more afraid he'd walk away and she was right. But that would make DEs too happy so it's unlikely. We aren't allowed to be happy.  Yep no happiness for us! LOL I would like to hear her talk about how he drove her to Whickery bridge. I also would like to hear her tell him she didn't like how he forced this whole cure thing into play. She has never told him how she has felt about the things he has done but she sure has told Damon! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 23:52:11 GMT -5
Well she sort of hit him hard with what she said when Bekah compelled her. I'm wondering what else she could possibly say really. I suppose she could hit him in his Ripper, where it really hurts. While he is lecturing her on how not to feed on people she might say something about the Ripper trying to tell her how to live...ouchie. But she HAS said things like that before, remember when she was drinking at that party and he told her to slow down and she said he was a blood addict trying to tell her how to drink? I can't think of alot more she can say to him. Can you? Unless....and this is just wishful thinking, she actually comes clean about why she chose him at the end of season 3 which was not because she loved him more at the time but because she was more afraid he'd walk away and she was right. But that would make DEs too happy so it's unlikely. We aren't allowed to be happy. Yep no happiness for us! LOL I would like to hear her talk about how he drove her to Whickery bridge. I also would like to hear her tell him she didn't like how he forced this whole cure thing into play. She has never told him how she has felt about the things he has done but she sure has told Damon! I'd like Elena to say some of these things too. With her humanity off JP said that Elena would be stating the blunt, harsh truth and it'd be lame if all this harshness was just directed at Damon while Stefan gets a free pass on having his feelings upset. Although it does seem as if everyone is getting their fair share since Elena seems to be getting in fights with Katherine, Caroline, and Stefan. I'm looking most forward to the SE one and seeing what no humanity Elena will have to say. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Mar 6, 2013 21:09:29 GMT -5
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Post by beangelic1000 on Mar 6, 2013 23:49:23 GMT -5
Well she sort of hit him hard with what she said when Bekah compelled her. I'm wondering what else she could possibly say really. I suppose she could hit him in his Ripper, where it really hurts. While he is lecturing her on how not to feed on people she might say something about the Ripper trying to tell her how to live...ouchie. But she HAS said things like that before, remember when she was drinking at that party and he told her to slow down and she said he was a blood addict trying to tell her how to drink? I can't think of alot more she can say to him. Can you? Unless....and this is just wishful thinking, she actually comes clean about why she chose him at the end of season 3 which was not because she loved him more at the time but because she was more afraid he'd walk away and she was right. But that would make DEs too happy so it's unlikely. We aren't allowed to be happy. Yes, I would definately want to hear Elena tell Stefan the real reason why she chose him and not Damon, and I know it had nothing to do with love, and everything to do with fear that she would lose him if she didn't. Everything else I would love her to say everyone has pretty much listed and I'm in 100% agreement. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 8, 2013 1:45:59 GMT -5
I was just thinking that no matter what Stelena is dead and I will tell you why. This so called epic love ended because Elena had feelings for someone else, not because of a sire bond. Nobody even knew of a sire bond when Stefan and Elena broke up. In 3x19 Elena went to Denver to explore her feelings for Damon and boy did she explore, by grinding all over him and if it weren't for Jeremy showing up/being there I think they might have wound up in bed together then, but it gave her a chance to feel guilty again when she got caught, to condemn herself for having these feelings for someone other than her boyfriend and his brother no less!
Of course she didn't want to admit those feelings. She didn't want to be that girl. She didn't want to be Katherine. She didn't want to be a cheater, even if up to that point it was only emotional cheating. But everyone knew she loved Damon. Stefan even told her that she loved Damon, too and he told her to figure out what she felt, ALL BEFORE THE SIREBOND EVER HAPPENED. This is important because Stelena fans seem to want to erase that all of this happened before Elena even turned. Every single one of her friends and Jeremy knew she had feelings for Damon/loved Damon before she ever turned.
In the finale, she chose Stefan under duress, sooner than I think she really wanted to choose and therefore she made the safe choice, the choice she knew, the choice other people would find acceptable for her to make, but that didn't make her feelings go away, that didn't change anything she was feeling inside for Damon even though she wanted it to. She even tried too hard to make it work with Stefan after that, stating again it was the best choice she ever made as if trying to convince herself and being all over the top mushy with Stefan in 4x01 as if all the difficulties they had the previous season suddenly went away. Who was she trying to convince? That statement was totally unnecessary but she made it to try to reinforce in her head that it was the right choice for her because she had huge doubts that it was.
Then she tells Stefan they can be forever, if she wants...if she WANTS. She had never once in their whole relationship said she wanted to be with him forever and she didn't say it then either. She left herself a disclaimer because, again, she had doubts. She had very strong feelings for Damon. She loved Damon, but refused to admit it to herself. So along comes the sire bond and she can't deny those feelings any more. it clobbers her over the head, the change to a vampire combined with her intense feelings she already had for Damon and she is helpless to resist admitting it now. Again, those feelings were already there. Both Tyler and Nandi said the sire bond did not make anyone feel anything except obligation to do what they wanted if they asked. This is important because Damon never asked her to love him. He never asked her to sleep with him. She was already declaring her feelings for him and acting on them of her own free will. Of course it gets tricky from there when they realized she was sired to him and how that could be a problem. But this is as JP said, a tiny bump, because Damon and Elena were already in love regardless of the sire bond and this is why Stelena is dead. Elena fell out of love with Stefan and if it was such an epic love that would have never happened. Her feelings for him would have trumped her feelings for Damon and they didn't, not even before she turned. It was already a major problem in Stelena's relationship and they both knew it.
I would even go so far as to say that that would never have happened at all if she truly loved Stefan like that. She'd have never been looking for someone else and she clearly was. She never committed to forever and she wandered off the Stelena path. I think Stefan would be foolish to think that it could ever work again with her given that he wasn't enough the first time. Realistically, he is never going to be enough for her and he will have to deal with that and move on.
*I wanted to add that I realize this may not put Elena in the best light but I honestly do not think she set out to hurt Stefan or cheat on Stefan or come even close to it, but she simply couldn't help her overwhelming feelings for Damon, and she did kiss him, twice and make out with him in Denver, granted Stelena was not currently together during that time but her feelings very clearly were there even when they were together and that first kiss in 2x22 that she initiated was when they were together. This all just added to her guilt and confusion about her feelings but she's an 18 year old girl and never had something like this happen to her. She did what she thought was the right thing even if it turned out she couldn't NOT act on those feelings in the end but I think she is blameless in that she really did try not to and that is precisely why Delena got as delayed as it did.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Mar 8, 2013 15:08:18 GMT -5
I was just thinking that no matter what Stelena is dead and I will tell you why. This so called epic love ended because Elena had feelings for someone else, not because of a sire bond. Nobody even knew of a sire bond when Stefan and Elena broke up. In 3x19 Elena went to Denver to explore her feelings for Damon and boy did she explore, by grinding all over him and if it weren't for Jeremy showing up/being there I think they might have wound up in bed together then, but it gave her a chance to feel guilty again when she got caught, to condemn herself for having these feelings for someone other than her boyfriend and his brother no less! Of course she didn't want to admit those feelings. She didn't want to be that girl. She didn't want to be Katherine. She didn't want to be a cheater, even if up to that point it was only emotional cheating. But everyone knew she loved Damon. Stefan even told her that she loved Damon, too and he told her to figure out what she felt, ALL BEFORE THE SIREBOND EVER HAPPENED. This is important because Stelena fans seem to want to erase that all of this happened before Elena even turned. Every single one of her friends and Jeremy knew she had feelings for Damon/loved Damon before she ever turned. In the finale, she chose Stefan under duress, sooner than I think she really wanted to choose and therefore she made the safe choice, the choice she knew, the choice other people would find acceptable for her to make, but that didn't make her feelings go away, that didn't change anything she was feeling inside for Damon even though she wanted it to. She even tried too hard to make it work with Stefan after that, stating again it was the best choice she ever made as if trying to convince herself and being all over the top mushy with Stefan in 4x01 as if all the difficulties they had the previous season suddenly went away. Who was she trying to convince? That statement was totally unnecessary but she made it to try to reinforce in her head that it was the right choice for her because she had huge doubts that it was. Then she tells Stefan they can be forever, if she wants...if she WANTS. She had never once in their whole relationship said she wanted to be with him forever and she didn't say it then either. She left herself a disclaimer because, again, she had doubts. She had very strong feelings for Damon. She loved Damon, but refused to admit it to herself. So along comes the sire bond and she can't deny those feelings any more. it clobbers her over the head, the change to a vampire combined with her intense feelings she already had for Damon and she is helpless to resist admitting it now. Again, those feelings were already there. Both Tyler and Nandi said the sire bond did not make anyone feel anything except obligation to do what they wanted if they asked. This is important because Damon never asked her to love him. He never asked her to sleep with him. She was already declaring her feelings for him and acting on them of her own free will. Of course it gets tricky from there when they realized she was sired to him and how that could be a problem. But this is as JP said, a tiny bump, because Damon and Elena were already in love regardless of the sire bond and this is why Stelena is dead. Elena fell out of love with Stefan and if it was such an epic love that would have never happened. Her feelings for him would have trumped her feelings for Damon and they didn't, not even before she turned. It was already a major problem in Stelena's relationship and they both knew it. I would even go so far as to say that that would never have happened at all if she truly loved Stefan like that. She'd have never been looking for someone else and she clearly was. She never committed to forever and she wandered off the Stelena path. I think Stefan would be foolish to think that it could ever work again with her given that he wasn't enough the first time. Realistically, he is never going to be enough for her and he will have to deal with that and move on. *I wanted to add that I realize this may not put Elena in the best light but I honestly do not think she set out to hurt Stefan or cheat on Stefan or come even close to it, but she simply couldn't help her overwhelming feelings for Damon, and she did kiss him, twice and make out with him in Denver, granted Stelena was not currently together during that time but her feelings very clearly were there even when they were together and that first kiss in 2x22 that she initiated was when they were together. This all just added to her guilt and confusion about her feelings but she's an 18 year old girl and never had something like this happen to her. She did what she thought was the right thing even if it turned out she couldn't NOT act on those feelings in the end but I think she is blameless in that she really did try not to and that is precisely why Delena got as delayed as it did. This in a nutshell, it is like I've stated before, that all Elena's friends seemed to have developed selective amnesia of what occured between Elena and Damon before the sire bond, considering how disapproving they all were to think that Elena could ever fall for the bad boy Damon. All the sire bond did was reveal what they already knew. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 8, 2013 15:10:03 GMT -5
Maybe Stefan went around compelling them all to forget...  |
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Post by beangelic1000 on Mar 8, 2013 15:37:46 GMT -5
Considering that he was the worst offender, he must have compelled himself as well  I have never seen such self denial when it comes to the sire bond, yet Stefan has been doing a bang up job of convincing himself that all Elena's feeling happened when she was sired to Damon. Stefan needs to rewind that DVR in his head and go back and recall everything he accused her off prior to the SB. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Mar 18, 2013 23:03:59 GMT -5
I'm sorry SE looked terrible last episode and he and Caroline had so much chemistry! I'm just feeling like SE need to stay buried!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 19, 2013 0:36:25 GMT -5
I don't really care about Stefan or Caroline to be honest. They are right now the two characters on this show I care about the least so it's hard for me to ship them together so I haven't been able to do that. Now Klefan is much more entertaining. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Mar 19, 2013 11:40:08 GMT -5
I have been a staroline or staroline shipper since season 1. Yes they are annoying but put them together and take Damon and Elena out of their mouths and they are beautiful! Right now they have irritated me together because its all about Elena. Just watch when they get together things will change and loads of SE's I think, will jump ship! We shall see! Lol!
I already called staroline so I actually feel pretty good about DE despite everyone else. If I didn't see the makings of staroline then I'd be freaking out. But I can see what direction they are going and I couldn't be more excited!
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I have never seen such self denial when it comes to the sire bond, yet Stefan has been doing a bang up job of convincing himself that all Elena's feeling happened when she was sired to Damon. Stefan needs to rewind that DVR in his head and go back and recall everything he accused her off prior to the SB.
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5