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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 15, 2014 8:22:18 GMT -5
The mythology change that annoys me is it was established early on than older = stronger. Yet Elena was stronger than katherine , Katherine's daughter seemed weaker than everyone. Caroline has over powered Damon. It bugs me every time. I agree! It seems too convenient when they do that. I liked how the books did it. They were stronger when they drank human blood a lot, the more they drank the more powerful they were. There also seemed to be some indication that there was some vampire training to learn as well as whose blood sired them made them stronger. That may have been the only factor regarding age/experience. Therefore age wasn't the only factor. Damon, in the books, was extremely powerful, much more powerful than Stefan because of all these factors. But when Stefan drank human blood he was a closer match. |
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Post by missmystic on Apr 15, 2014 13:14:48 GMT -5
The mythology change that annoys me is it was established early on than older = stronger. Yet Elena was stronger than katherine , Katherine's daughter seemed weaker than everyone. Caroline has over powered Damon. It bugs me every time. True, but it could be argued that stronger doesn't necessarily = better fighter. And a lot can be said for motivation and investment. In other words, I'm sure if Damon really wanted to kill Caroline, he would kill her. She overpowers him because he lets her, cause he doesn't really care. And maybe Nadia never devoted much time to learning how to fight. Maybe she spent most of her 500 years just wandering around looking for Katherine lol. And I disagree that Elena was stronger than Katherine. That fight that they had at the end of season 4, Katherine definitely had the upper hand. Elena only beat her because she had a secret weapon, not because she was stronger. If she hadn't had the cure to shove in her mouth, I think Katherine would have killed her. She almost did. |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 17, 2014 21:31:22 GMT -5
That is true to a degree. The fight in season 2 of Damon + Stefan vs Katherine (spelled into the room) The two of them were almost no match for her. Elena's fight was too close. Sometimes yes motivation is a big factor I agree but to use DragonBall terms (yes I'm a fan of that too lol) The power levels are all over the place.
Damon + Stefan together beat an original (kinda, he got better but still)
Damon + Stefan together couldn't beat Katherine.
Tylor could overpower Nadia because (and i quote) Hybrid beats old vampire everytime
Damon + Stefan slaughtered how many hybrids with ease?
Elena as a vampire seemed almost a match for katherine and stronger that caroline
caroline over powered damon
so Caroline > Damon > Hybrids > Nadia based on the logic yet Nadia was stronger so Nadia > Caroline > Damon > Hybrids > Nadia
it's not a big issue as I understand they need to create drama or its boring. We need to feel the heroes are at risk or badass depending on scene but it slightly bugs me lol
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Post by beangelic1000 on Apr 18, 2014 11:06:26 GMT -5
The interesting things about the books was that Damon had a lot more powers, therefore, was able to take down Klaus who was a much older vampire. But on the show, what power he did have disappeared by the end of s1 and now everyones grannie can beat Damon. I don't care what reasons they gave, Caroline should never, never, never have been able to overpower Damon.
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 18, 2014 16:50:19 GMT -5
The interesting things about the books was that Damon had a lot more powers, therefore, was able to take down Klaus who was a much older vampire. But on the show, what power he did have disappeared by the end of s1 and now everyones grannie can beat Damon. I don't care what reasons they gave, Caroline should never, never, never have been able to overpower Damon. I've not read the books, however I did notice what they did in season 1. In like the first 3 episodes he could fly , owned a fog machine (I dont know if he controlled the fog or it was coincidence ) and his spying pet bird was cool too. It's weird that they didn't even explain it away. Though yeah I will say Damon is pretty much the vampire diaries version of worf from star trek when it comes to fights. Been almost the big bad of season 1 he represents a tough bad guy. So they have him get beat up alot to sell the threat (look how many times Worf was taken out) sadly it only adds to the power level confusion I mentioned. |
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 18, 2014 19:11:09 GMT -5
So I read this somewhere else and can't take credit for it, but if someone doesn't have a good explanation, it is the biggest plot hole ever. Amara was the anchor to the other side for 1000+ years and supernaturals had to go through her to get to the other side, correct? And no one, not even Alaric, mentions when they are side-hopping that Elena is a doppleganger of the anchor??
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Post by missmystic on Apr 19, 2014 9:11:46 GMT -5
So I read this somewhere else and can't take credit for it, but if someone doesn't have a good explanation, it is the biggest plot hole ever. Amara was the anchor to the other side for 1000+ years and supernaturals had to go through her to get to the other side, correct? And no one, not even Alaric, mentions when they are side-hopping that Elena is a doppleganger of the anchor?? Well, I mean, the obvious answer is that the writers hadn't thought of it yet. Obviously they can't change past episodes to reflect their new ideas. But if they wanted to explain it, they could probably say something like, the process of dying and going to the other side could be traumatic for a soul, and once they've crossed over they might not remember everything clearly. Especially if they see what looks like Elena, and they don't know that there IS an anchor to the other side or what that means (since that hadn't been explained yet to any of our previously dead characters), and therefore they might just think they're seeing Elena for a second for some reason. They wouldn't keep seeing her after they had crossed over, because she wasn't anywhere near them. So if I wanted to explain it, thats what I would say. They just didn't remember it clearly, or really understand what they were seeing. And then they never saw her again, so it wouldn't have occurred to anyone to mention it. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 19, 2014 9:16:01 GMT -5
No they don't generally remember what happens as Matt attested to this last episode. They just die and come back to life and remember nothing of what happened in between. But now the ghosts on the other side are a different story. None of them mention it either.
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 19, 2014 11:10:43 GMT -5
I'll accept those as rational explanations!
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 20, 2014 17:22:56 GMT -5
So I read this somewhere else and can't take credit for it, but if someone doesn't have a good explanation, it is the biggest plot hole ever. Amara was the anchor to the other side for 1000+ years and supernaturals had to go through her to get to the other side, correct? And no one, not even Alaric, mentions when they are side-hopping that Elena is a doppleganger of the anchor?? I know the other's explained it partly above but my thought is this: Wasn't she locked in a box with her haie all over her face in an insane way? Would they have actually seen it? Ghosts in TVD react pretty much like when they were alive so I assume having to go into a pitch black box and pass through someone who's face was hidden behind hair makes IDing the girl almost impossible. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 20, 2014 18:32:38 GMT -5
So I read this somewhere else and can't take credit for it, but if someone doesn't have a good explanation, it is the biggest plot hole ever. Amara was the anchor to the other side for 1000+ years and supernaturals had to go through her to get to the other side, correct? And no one, not even Alaric, mentions when they are side-hopping that Elena is a doppleganger of the anchor?? I know the other's explained it partly above but my thought is this: Wasn't she locked in a box with her haie all over her face in an insane way? Would they have actually seen it? Ghosts in TVD react pretty much like when they were alive so I assume having to go into a pitch black box and pass through someone who's face was hidden behind hair makes IDing the girl almost impossible. Good point there as well... |
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Post by missmystic on Apr 23, 2014 15:05:30 GMT -5
Ok, new mythology rewrite issue! It just occurred to me, there is a problem with the doppelganger blood. Katherine turned herself into a vampire so that Klaus couldn't use her to break the curse .... and when Elena was turned into a vampire, her blood was useless to Klaus after that as well, no more hybrids .... So far the show has told us that the doppelganger blood is only special when they are human ... Sooooo, since Stefan and Elena are both vampires, how can their blood be useful to the Travelers?  Does that mean they are going to rewrite that whole part of the mythology so that now vampire doppelganger blood is just as good? Because that would pretty much negate the entire plot for the first 3 seasons ... OR, does that mean we might really be in danger of the Travelers turning Stefan and Elena human? EITHER WAY ... it pretty much sucks. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 23, 2014 15:35:41 GMT -5
Ok, new mythology rewrite issue! It just occurred to me, there is a problem with the doppelganger blood. Katherine turned herself into a vampire so that Klaus couldn't use her to break the curse .... and when Elena was turned into a vampire, her blood was useless to Klaus after that as well, no more hybrids .... So far the show has told us that the doppelganger blood is only special when they are human ... Sooooo, since Stefan and Elena are both vampires, how can their blood be useful to the Travelers? Does that mean they are going to rewrite that whole part of the mythology so that now vampire doppelganger blood is just as good? Because that would pretty much negate the entire plot for the first 3 seasons ... OR, does that mean we might really be in danger of the Travelers turning Stefan and Elena human? EITHER WAY ... it pretty much sucks. Hmmm...good point and one I hadn't thought of and God, no, I don't want them human again! |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 23, 2014 16:47:33 GMT -5
Ok, new mythology rewrite issue! It just occurred to me, there is a problem with the doppelganger blood. Katherine turned herself into a vampire so that Klaus couldn't use her to break the curse .... and when Elena was turned into a vampire, her blood was useless to Klaus after that as well, no more hybrids .... So far the show has told us that the doppelganger blood is only special when they are human ... Sooooo, since Stefan and Elena are both vampires, how can their blood be useful to the Travelers? Does that mean they are going to rewrite that whole part of the mythology so that now vampire doppelganger blood is just as good? Because that would pretty much negate the entire plot for the first 3 seasons ... OR, does that mean we might really be in danger of the Travelers turning Stefan and Elena human? EITHER WAY ... it pretty much sucks. Klaus's was special. His mother tied it to a living doppelganger so when she died he couldn't make more. That's not a doppelganger blood thing so much as Klaus's mother was a bitch , thing. The doppelganger blood still is mystical. Klaus's was a specific spell. In fact the Klaus thing prooves they are still mythical afterwards as he needed the blood to make more and it worked. So the travellers needing doppelganger blood is not too far-fetched with-in the rules and stuff we have seen established. At least that was my thought I hope it helped but I may be wrong |
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Post by chrizakathemole on May 10, 2014 10:00:32 GMT -5
One I mentioned this this weeks review. About season 2 or 3 Stefan and Damon started drinking it like Katherine to build up an immunity. Why does it still effect them so much? It was effecting them less and less then out of no where full effects again.
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Does that mean they are going to rewrite that whole part of the mythology so that now vampire doppelganger blood is just as good? Because that would pretty much negate the entire plot for the first 3 seasons ... OR, does that mean we might really be in danger of the Travelers turning Stefan and Elena human? EITHER WAY ... it pretty much sucks.
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5