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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 27, 2014 12:32:10 GMT -5
Making this thread since Bonnie and Damon are trapped 'somewhere' together and will most likely have to rely upon each other for a while. What do you think will come of this development? Or what possibilities do you see?
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Post by beangelic1000 on Jul 27, 2014 14:13:03 GMT -5
Before, I go into what I think may happen in S6 in regards to Damon and Bonnie. I just want to clarify one of the things in regards to people who keep stating that there has been no relationship developement between DB as there has with DE and now SC. I've stated on numourous occasions which appears to continuely fall on death ears...is that both in the book and on the show DB was halted by the firing of L.J. Smith. The very beginnings of DB start with her.
L J even though she was writing about the triangle and with the likelihood that SE would be endgame and Stefan the main hero along with Elena. L.J. had her own ideas, she didn't appear invested in SE and put more effort into building up DE and starting the same process with DB. Therefore, L.J appeared to like the idea of both DE and DB while building a close relationship between the whole gang, Damon, Stefan, Elena, Bonnie, Meridith and Matt, even though Damon made it an uneasy friendship at times.
L.J appeared to be setting up a double triangle, one where Elena was in love with both Damon and Stefan, and one where Damon who was now firmly in love with Elena and was also in the beginning of having feelings for the tiny redheaded Bonnie, however, that journey ended after book 7, and I don't think DB was even in the picture in the books written by the ghost writers (someone will have to confirm this because I've only read L J's books)
With the show now on the air, we saw SE quickly establish a relionship, while DE started slowly and with Elena attracted to Damon but having no liking for what he represented, but the foudations were being laid. DB also started with Damon on the wrong side of Bonnie who had no love for vampires and the only reason she trusted Stefan was because he went out of his way to assure the gang that he was no danger, not so with Damon, therefore, his dealing with Bonnie was frosty to say the least and any wrong doings would see him greeted with a headache. Unlike book Bonnie, Kat's Bonnie was a lot more fiesty and willing to take down any vampire that harmed those close to her and that included Damon, however, the foundations to this relationship was still in the early stages and just as Elena was clarifying to Stefan that Damon didn't hate Bonnie but kind of loved her (establishing that Elena saw through Damon's conflict with Bonnie),however,just like with the books, no further exploration of DB was done once L.J was fired, that relationship was put on the back burner. So a DB relationship with its foundations starting in friendship would have been seen on the show had they not placed it on the back burner. Therefore, for those who state there has been no build up so it doesn't make sense, then you will have to blame the powers-that-be for that, because had they continued then the DB frienship by S5 would have bee four seasons old.
Now here is food for thought: Is it a coincident that a DB storyline in S6 coincides with L.J's trilogy Evensong which is now on sale and continues where her 7th book left off with the death of Damon. And it is based on her two favourite subjects DE and DB where it is clear that she had a soft spot not only for the Damon character, but for Elena and Bonnie as well.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Jul 27, 2014 15:05:55 GMT -5
Getting back to S6, what they have done is the best possible scenario they could have gone with in regards to DB now that they have taken them off the back burner.
With The Other Side imploded and Damon and Bonnie disappearing in a flash of light just before it did, it means that whatever Grams did.....is where Damon and Bonnie have ended up. They do not have the buffer of Elena and the gang to come between them, they are on their own, and I think what we the viewers wil find is that over the time jump whatever differences they had before will change during that time jump period and the dynamics of their relationship will change because of it. Things that were negatives for them will turn into positives and they will work more as a team, while still having strong views on certain things. I'm speculating that Bonnie will have an understanding of just how Damon's mind works and what drives him. When they do return...the foundations will already be in place, and we will see through flashbacks over the rest of the sesaon just what took place during that time jump.
If I was to speculate further, S6,E1 will start at the end point of the time jump, which would mean Damon and Bonnie will know where they are. It looks like they will be returning to Elena, Stefan and the gang around episode 6, and I have a strange feeling that they will have to adapt because they have not returned in the same form or state that they were in before The Other Side imploded. However, whatever this change is..., it's impact on Elena, Jeremy, Stefan and the rest of the gang, will determine the direction that Damon and Bonnie move in, and just what that is, only the scriptwriters know, and I'm not even going to hazzard a guess, but just wait and see.
So in regards to building the foundations with its roots in friendship, because they would have bonded, yes that is definaately on the cards, after that I do not have the faintest clue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 15:13:59 GMT -5
In regards to the Bamon relationship, with the no development, I'm not sure if I clarified that I mean that in a purely romantic viewpoint. Damon and Bonnie of course have some form of a relationship in the show. The two started off on antagonistic sides in the early seasons and now come season 5 they have a bit more respect for each other. There was growth between the two to get to that point.
With that said, there has never been any development between Bamon romantically. There has never been a moment where Damon was confused/wavered in his feelings for Elena verses Bonnie. We don't have scenes of Damon being upset/confrontational with Jeremy over Bonnie. Likewise Bonnie has never gave the impression that was interested in Damon romantically either. If so, why isn't she getting the same treatment as Caroline in regards to Stefan/Elena?
Bonnie's best friend is in love with Damon. There's never any conflict, no jealously, no sense of Bonnie contemplating feelings for Damon and feeling conflicted with her loyalty to Elena verses any feelings she has for Damon.
Book Bonnie had moments like that. We read her thoughts of how she feels inferior to Elena, we read her thoughts on her crush on Damon. However the TV show is a whole different animal from the books and cannot be used much in regards to the relationship on the show since the writers have strayed completely from the personalities of the books.
While individually we don't get a feel that Damon and Bonnie are interested in the other romantically. We also don't get much of a sense of them together outside of the usual coming together to do some magic spell for big bad or to help Elena. We don't get moments of Damon and Bonnie, just hanging out casually, no big bad drama, no Elena emergencies. Just the two of them. No Damon coming over to Bonnie's house to crash on her couch or the two of them at Mystic, eating or getting drinks.
I'm not arguing that Bonnie and Damon have no relationship at all, just because I ship something completely different doesn't mean I'm going to just shut out things I don't like from the show when it doesn't line up with my preferred pairing. I can argue that there has never been any canon indication that Damon or Bonnie have feelings for each other. Bamon in no way have the same love, trust, and friendship foundation that Delena has built over the seasons.
As far as season 6, I see Damon and Bonnie developing a better understanding and friendship of each other as they try to figure out where they are and find a way back. I do not however see this leading to anywhere romantic. Both characters are in love with other people and I don't see all of that being dropped just to throw a quick relationship together, especially when we know they're both are going to be reunited back with the gang and the people they love.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 27, 2014 15:28:39 GMT -5
I have nothing against a DB friendship happening. In fact I could imagine some fun times and banter as they 'feel each other out' since being thrown together and having to work together to get back to the gang. I would be happy if they ended up better friends with Bonnie finally 'getting' what Elena sees in him. I think we have moved more toward that in the last couple seasons with Bonnie being less judgmental about Damon. I think she realizes that even if she doesn't understand it, her best friend loves this man, but that is precisely why I don't believe anything romantic can ever happen between DB. They are both fiercely loyal to Elena, and on that common ground they can relate, but because of that loyalty nothing like that could ever happen between them. If it did, to me, it would be complete fan service to a tiny minority and OOC for both characters.
In my opinion, the Bonnie of the books is completely different than the Bonnie of the TV show and therefore there is no possible comparison. The Bonnie of the books was definitely 'smitten' with Damon and as a result Damon was fond of her. Nobody else liked him at all but Elena! So he was closer to Bonnie and more protective of her. Bonnie in the books was a frail girl given to fainting spells and I think that along with Bonnie's acceptance and admiration of him triggered Damon's protectiveness of her. So they had a different relationship but still not a romantic one and I'm not even sure LJ planned to go that far with it, just show the attraction was there for an interesting addition to the story she was writing.
I have read all the books LJ wrote and the fan fics and this is my opinion of what she intended with DB. I think for LJ, DE is endgame. DB might merely become a pseudo triangle to get Elena's attention off Stefan and make her realize she feels jealous about Damon and Bonnie and that means she has stronger feelings for Damon than she thought. The groundwork for that jealousy is already laid in the books and DE has not been a couple yet.
But again, the TV version is another story altogether. The characters names are the same, but the story is quite a bit different.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 27, 2014 15:36:32 GMT -5
In regards to the Bamon relationship, with the no development, I'm not sure if I clarified that I mean that in a purely romantic viewpoint. Damon and Bonnie of course have some form of a relationship in the show. The two started off on antagonistic sides in the early seasons and now come season 5 they have a bit more respect for each other. There was growth between the two to get to that point.
With that said, there has never been any development between Bamon romantically. There has never been a moment where Damon was confused/wavered in his feelings for Elena verses Bonnie. We don't have scenes of Damon being upset/confrontational with Jeremy over Bonnie. Likewise Bonnie has never gave the impression that was interested in Damon romantically either. If so, why isn't she getting the same treatment as Caroline in regards to Stefan/Elena?
Bonnie's best friend is in love with Damon. There's never any conflict, no jealously, no sense of Bonnie contemplating feelings for Damon and feeling conflicted with her loyalty to Elena verses any feelings she has for Damon.
Book Bonnie had moments like that. We read her thoughts of how she feels inferior to Elena, we read her thoughts on her crush on Damon. However the TV show is a whole different animal from the books and cannot be used much in regards to the relationship on the show since the writers have strayed completely from the personalities of the books.
While individually we don't get a feel that Damon and Bonnie are interested in the other romantically. We also don't get much of a sense of them together outside of the usual coming together to do some magic spell for big bad or to help Elena. We don't get moments of Damon and Bonnie, just hanging out casually, no big bad drama, no Elena emergencies. Just the two of them. No Damon coming over to Bonnie's house to crash on her couch or the two of them at Mystic, eating or getting drinks.
I'm not arguing that Bonnie and Damon have no relationship at all, just because I ship something completely different doesn't mean I'm going to just shut out things I don't like from the show when it doesn't line up with my preferred pairing. I can argue that there has never been any canon indication that Damon or Bonnie have feelings for each other. Bamon in no way have the same love, trust, and friendship foundation that Delena has built over the seasons.
As far as season 6, I see Damon and Bonnie developing a better understanding and friendship of each other as they try to figure out where they are and find a way back. I do not however see this leading to anywhere romantic. Both characters are in love with other people and I don't see all of that being dropped just to throw a quick relationship together, especially when we know they're both are going to be reunited back with the gang and the people they love.
You made some good points here. Even Damon and Caroline have had more random scenes that implied something sexual/romantic than Bonnie and Damon ie: When he went to their college dorm and walks in and Caroline's naked. Of course Damon tells her, "Nobody cares!"  Bonnie and Damon have had zero implications of anything...they may as well be asexual or brother and sister for how little any possible attraction has been implied as in...it never has...period.
If I'm wrong someone point out to me where there's even a look between them that implies there's any attraction there cause I definitely missed it! As far as the hug on the island goes that looked like pure relief to me that Bonnie didn't die and Damon wouldn't have to console the woman he loved (Elena) after losing her best friend and when Elena said Damon 'loved' Bonnie she meant it in the way he loves his friends, not in a romantic sense, otherwise she'd be jealous! It's obvious what she meant by that.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 27, 2014 15:47:57 GMT -5
In my opinion they are doing this Bamon thing to shut up that vocal minority and nail shut that coffin once and for all. Nothing romantic is going to come of it. They'll show they can get along and be friends and that will be the end of that. Anything else would be insanity on the part of the writers.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Jul 28, 2014 0:48:55 GMT -5
Like I've stated before, and this point keeps getting passed over, S1 to S2 was the beginnings of the foundations of DB relationship, which was why Elena stated those lines Damon doesn't hate Bonnie he kind of loves her, that was supposed to have been the starting point in which the DB dynamic was to change, however, what happened instead what L.J got fired and DB went on the back burner and not much happened in that regards, as they concentrated on the triangle.
If you didn't see a relationship it is because it was put on the back burner, until now. It was not built on, which is why I also stated the way they have gone about redeeming themselves by placing Bonnie and Damon on another plain where they are forced to come to terms with their issues was the right move to make. It makes up for all the lost time, they left this relationship on the back burner instead of establishing a firm foundation
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 7:27:48 GMT -5
I remember Elena saying that line, but I thought that was like somewhere in season 4 ish? Though there was never any real follow up to that in comparison to Isobel telling Elena that Damon was in love with her and then getting a true confirmation from Damon himself with the confession in 2x08.
Elena is in love with Damon so it's odd for her to smile and laugh with Matt over the possibility of Damon being in love with someone else, unless she meant it in a more mild manner, loves/cares but not IN love with her.
I don't really bring up the LJ stuff much because that's just speculation. We've had moments like that in our DE thread where the company that fired LJ seemed to be making sure the TV version never 'went there' with Delena as we had a pretty dry run without any proper development for a while.
I also think if LJ truly had this effect, then season 1 Bamon should have been way closer to the book dynamics since at that point she wasn't fired. But again this is speculative territory so we won't have any real definite answers on the whats any time soon.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 28, 2014 9:57:54 GMT -5
Like I've stated before, and this point keeps getting passed over, S1 to S2 was the beginnings of the foundations of DB relationship, which was why Elena stated those lines Damon doesn't hate Bonnie he kind of loves her, that was supposed to have been the starting point in which the DB dynamic was to change, however, what happened instead what L.J got fired and DB went on the back burner and not much happened in that regards, as they concentrated on the triangle. If you didn't see a relationship it is because it was put on the back burner, until now. It was not built on, which is why I also stated the way they have gone about redeeming themselves by placing Bonnie and Damon on another plain where they are forced to come to terms with their issues was the right move to make. It makes up for all the lost time, they left this relationship on the back burner instead of establishing a firm foundation What relationship did they have in season 1 and 2? From my memory all I recall is Bonnie trying to burn Damon alive, Bonnie hating Damon, Bonnie giving Damon 'headaches' every chance she gets, Damon letting Elena know he would gladly let the witch die if he had to choose between the two girls. What relationship did they have other than one of hatred and contempt? I don't understand what you are implying was there between them because I saw enemies, not even friends. So what is it we are supposed to have seen? |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 28, 2014 10:06:42 GMT -5
I remember Elena saying that line, but I thought that was like somewhere in season 4 ish? Though there was never any real follow up to that in comparison to Isobel telling Elena that Damon was in love with her and then getting a true confirmation from Damon himself with the confession in 2x08. Elena is in love with Damon so it's odd for her to smile and laugh with Matt over the possibility of Damon being in love with someone else, unless she meant it in a more mild manner, loves/cares but not IN love with her. I don't really bring up the LJ stuff much because that's just speculation. We've had moments like that in our DE thread where the company that fired LJ seemed to be making sure the TV version never 'went there' with Delena as we had a pretty dry run without any proper development for a while. I also think if LJ truly had this effect, then season 1 Bamon should have been way closer to the book dynamics since at that point she wasn't fired. But again this is speculative territory so we won't have any real definite answers on the whats any time soon. Yes, the whole 'love' statement was very recent, not in season 1 or 2. As it turns out it looks like the ghostwriter did end with Delena so somewhere along the way Alloy changed their minds, probably due to the overwhelming popularity of Delena. I think Bamon can have a decent relationship now due to the fact that Bonnie seems to have stopped holding a grudge against him and therefore may start to see him in a better light but it would take many seasons and Elena's death or the utter destruction of Delena for there to be any possibility for a romantic Bamon, in my opinion. They are just way too far apart. We even saw it when Bonnie said there's probably a million people they'd rather be with and Damon said maybe a few thousand...so Bonnie made it into the top list of friends with Damon but nowhere near the very top. I think that statement summed it up. As a witch she was useful to him given that she got them out of a jam many times but that is not really friendship and certainly not love. I think what the writers are trying to portray is a 'fondness, just like in the books, in that, Damon cares about Bonnie's well-being. It's part of his growth. We've seen him care for people he hasn't before, like Jeremy and even Matt. This is just another part of his evolution but jumping to romance is a far leap and I think goes way beyond what the writers are trying to do here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 10:08:12 GMT -5
Like I've stated before, and this point keeps getting passed over, S1 to S2 was the beginnings of the foundations of DB relationship, which was why Elena stated those lines Damon doesn't hate Bonnie he kind of loves her, that was supposed to have been the starting point in which the DB dynamic was to change, however, what happened instead what L.J got fired and DB went on the back burner and not much happened in that regards, as they concentrated on the triangle. If you didn't see a relationship it is because it was put on the back burner, until now. It was not built on, which is why I also stated the way they have gone about redeeming themselves by placing Bonnie and Damon on another plain where they are forced to come to terms with their issues was the right move to make. It makes up for all the lost time, they left this relationship on the back burner instead of establishing a firm foundation What relationship did they have in season 1 and 2? From my memory all I recall is Bonnie trying to burn Damon alive, Bonnie hating Damon, Bonnie giving Damon 'headaches' every chance she gets, Damon letting Elena know he would gladly let the witch die if he had to choose between the two girls. What relationship did they have other than one of hatred and contempt? I don't understand what you are implying was there between them because I saw enemies, not even friends. So what is it we are supposed to have seen? I also feel like the writers pulled one of their offscreen gimmicks since we've went from Bonnie being as judgemental in regards to Damon and Delena like Caroline to suddenly just being contempt while Caroline became the main naysayer. We didn't really get to see that moment onscreen where Bonnie finally became accepting of Damon. Though the writers pulled the same with Beremy's relationship. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 28, 2014 10:13:05 GMT -5
What relationship did they have in season 1 and 2? From my memory all I recall is Bonnie trying to burn Damon alive, Bonnie hating Damon, Bonnie giving Damon 'headaches' every chance she gets, Damon letting Elena know he would gladly let the witch die if he had to choose between the two girls. What relationship did they have other than one of hatred and contempt? I don't understand what you are implying was there between them because I saw enemies, not even friends. So what is it we are supposed to have seen? I also feel like the writers pulled one of their offscreen gimmicks since we've went from Bonnie being as judgemental in regards to Damon and Delena like Caroline to suddenly just being contempt while Caroline became the main naysayer. We didn't really get to see that moment onscreen where Bonnie finally became accepting of Damon. Though the writers pulled the same with Beremy's relationship. That's because Bamon has never been that important to the writers. In Damon's evolution, it's important that Damon come to care about her. Because she was so hostile toward him for a long time they had to move her a bit closer to make it even feasible that they could be friends and he could choose to protect her of his own free will (not because Emily said so, although he did try to kill her after that! And not just because she was a useful witch because she isn't now, but that could change again.) If it turns out that Damon has some witch in his bloodline I could see her taking him under her wing and helping him and THAT could be the storyline of Bamon. That's part of the reason I see that being a big possibility. They're bringing them closer for a reason and I don't think it has anything to do with romance, not when JP says Damon will never love another person, ever, and that completely goes along with his character and how deeply he loves. But can you imagine Damon, the witch hater, finding out he's a 'warlock?' That could make for a good storyline, one so good I'm not sure these writers could conceive of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 10:57:36 GMT -5
That witch theory sounds interesting. And it'd be funny seeing the dynamics with Bonnie as his magic teacher and Damon trying to not get frustrated with everything lol. Also it would be kind of reminiscient to the books with Bonnie helping a human Damon (correct me if I'm wrong since I never got around to reading Midnight myself lol).
I do agree that something will come out of this for the two, a better understanding and Bonnie being that more acceptive of Damon. But any romance seems far to out of the realm of possibility for the two characters.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 28, 2014 10:59:46 GMT -5
That witch theory sounds interesting. And it'd be funny seeing the dynamics with Bonnie as his magic teacher and Damon trying to not get frustrated with everything lol. Also it would be kind of reminiscient to the books with Bonnie helping a human Damon (correct me if I'm wrong since I never got around to reading Midnight myself lol). I do agree that something will come out of this for the two, a better understanding and Bonnie being that more acceptive of Damon. But any romance seems far to out of the realm of possibility for the two characters. That's exactly what I'm thinking. Bonnie being Damon's 'witch' teacher would be a fantastic storyline. Of course he'd be human then wouldn't he? So I'm not so sure I want to see it, but it was a major plot in the books that he DID turn human, just as he died and came back to life so I think they very well might go there.
I wonder if it will be like the books (fanfic I think) where Elena will have maybe Liv do a locator spell on Damon but nothing will come up. In the books they only got a faint glimmer of his presence where they had left his body but then by that they knew he wasn't dead and went to try to find him. Maybe Bonnie will feel them trying to find them and send out a pulse of energy or something. I'm sort of guessing she will revert back to being a witch now since she is no longer the anchor.
In the books they tried to keep Damon from getting turned again, even locked him up, but he escaped and went through the portal to the Dark Dimension to find a vampire to turn him and Bonnie went after him. That's how they ended up together in the Dark Dimension. But she really didn't help him. He wound up having to help her.
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Bonnie and Damon have had zero implications of anything...they may as well be asexual or brother and sister for how little any possible attraction has been implied as in...it never has...period.
