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Post by missmystic on Jul 28, 2014 14:03:09 GMT -5
I have not read the books, so coming at the series from the perspective of a fan of the show only, I see no possibility for a Bamon storyline (in the romantic sense). Could they potentially develop a strong friendship, or even a brother/sister closeness? Yes, absolutely, and I think it could be great if done well. Especially if Damon becomes a warlock. But romantically, there is no Bamon on the show, and never has been. On the show, the only relationship they have ever had is either hatred (for 90% of the series in fact), or on few occasions a mutual respect for getting done what needs to be done for the good of the many, and their love and loyalty for Elena. As the show progressed, it became more and more clear, to me, that Damon loves everyone, the whole group, even the people who he says he hates. He has risked his life for all of them many times. Yes mostly for Elena's sake, but not only that. He's a lonely person, and he's grown attached the people he spends time with whether he likes it or not. That includes Bonnie, but just as much as it includes Jeremy, or Matt, or Caroline.
The quote that has been mentioned many times, Elena's "I think he actually kind of loves her" line, is from season 4, the episode after Jeremy dies, when Damon stays behind on the island to find Bonnie. In my opinion, they made it very clear in that episode that Damon was determined to find Bonnie because he couldn't bear the idea of Elena losing her best friend as well as her brother. His concern was for Elena first and foremost, and for Bonnie herself second. Also, the line itself, it is said by Elena in the midst of the beginnings of her relationship with Damon, and said to Matt with an almost bragging tone. To me it seemed clear that she said it in part to defend Damon against Matt's negativity towards him, because his first comment was to say that he thought Damon hated Bonnie. Elena responds quickly, and with a defensive tone, "He doesn't hate her. I think he actually kind of loves her. You're mean to the people that you care about." She is trying to make Matt understand how Damon thinks, to prove that he cares about people, he just shows it in odd ways. As far as I'm concerned this comment was in no way intended to imply that she thought Damon might have romantic feelings for Bonnie . Does anyone really believe that Elena, who has just barely started dating Damon and this point, having finally gotten up the courage to confess her true feelings to him, and having continually tried to reassure a nervous and conflicted Damon that her love is real and not a result of the sire bond, would casually tell Matt (with a smile on her face!) that she thinks Damon might have romantic feelings for her best friend?? I'm sorry, but in my opinion that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
As far as any other progression of the Bamon relationship, there really hasn't been any. They have shared about the same amount of screen time as Damon and Tyler. And the times when they have conversed, its really never been anything more than a strained toleration of one another. They are the 2 most practical people when it comes to what needs to be done in a bad situation, and they work well together when they have to. And they both love Elena. But that's it.
Also, since this appears to be the home stretch for the show, that means that they are going to have to start being more dedicated to guiding the show towards it END GAME storylines. If the show was going to go on for another 5 years, I might concede the idea of exploring a romantic Bamon storyline for a little while in the interim, IF they put A LOT of effort into bringing it around organically and making it make sense. But there's just no way the showrunners are going to throw a random new romance into the mix in the 11th hour of the series with 2 of its MAIN leads. Its honestly just bad business sense. And storywise, after last season's tear jerking finale, steering the show away from Delena in any way would be completely OOC and illogical for all of the characters involved. There's no way she show could possibly end in anything other than chaos and soap opera drama if they go in that direction at all at this point. Damon and Bonnie would be hated by everyone, Elena would probably kill them both and then kill herself. Or Jeremy would kill them both and then himself. Or everyone would just end up alone and hating each other. Can anyone honestly see any other LOGICAL outcomes for a storyline that involves Elena's best friend having a relationship with the love of her life? And the Damon that we have been given on this show has made it pretty clear, he's a one woman man. He loved Katherine for 145 years ... He's going to love Elena a lot longer than that. Bamon is not happening. Anyways, that's how I feel.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 28, 2014 14:45:41 GMT -5
I have not read the books, so coming at the series from the perspective of a fan of the show only, I see no possibility for a Bamon storyline (in the romantic sense). Could they potentially develop a strong friendship, or even a brother/sister closeness? Yes, absolutely, and I think it could be great if done well. Especially if Damon becomes a warlock. But romantically, there is no Bamon on the show, and never has been. On the show, the only relationship they have ever had is either hatred (for 90% of the series in fact), or on few occasions a mutual respect for getting done what needs to be done for the good of the many, and their love and loyalty for Elena. As the show progressed, it became more and more clear, to me, that Damon loves everyone, the whole group, even the people who he says he hates. He has risked his life for all of them many times. Yes mostly for Elena's sake, but not only that. He's a lonely person, and he's grown attached the people he spends time with whether he likes it or not. That includes Bonnie, but just as much as it includes Jeremy, or Matt, or Caroline. The quote that has been mentioned many times, Elena's "I think he actually kind of loves her" line, is from season 4, the episode after Jeremy dies, when Damon stays behind on the island to find Bonnie. In my opinion, they made it very clear in that episode that Damon was determined to find Bonnie because he couldn't bear the idea of Elena losing her best friend as well as her brother. His concern was for Elena first and foremost, and for Bonnie herself second. Also, the line itself, it is said by Elena in the midst of the beginnings of her relationship with Damon, and said to Matt with an almost bragging tone. To me it seemed clear that she said it in part to defend Damon against Matt's negativity towards him, because his first comment was to say that he thought Damon hated Bonnie. Elena responds quickly, and with a defensive tone, "He doesn't hate her. I think he actually kind of loves her. You're mean to the people that you care about." She is trying to make Matt understand how Damon thinks, to prove that he cares about people, he just shows it in odd ways. As far as I'm concerned this comment was in no way intended to imply that she thought Damon might have romantic feelings for Bonnie . Does anyone really believe that Elena, who has just barely started dating Damon and this point, having finally gotten up the courage to confess her true feelings to him, and having continually tried to reassure a nervous and conflicted Damon that her love is real and not a result of the sire bond, would casually tell Matt (with a smile on her face!) that she thinks Damon might have romantic feelings for her best friend?? I'm sorry, but in my opinion that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. As far as any other progression of the Bamon relationship, there really hasn't been any. They have shared about the same amount of screen time as Damon and Tyler. And the times when they have conversed, its really never been anything more than a strained toleration of one another. They are the 2 most practical people when it comes to what needs to be done in a bad situation, and they work well together when they have to. And they both love Elena. But that's it. Also, since this appears to be the home stretch for the show, that means that they are going to have to start being more dedicated to guiding the show towards it END GAME storylines. If the show was going to go on for another 5 years, I might concede the idea of exploring a romantic Bamon storyline for a little while in the interim, IF they put A LOT of effort into bringing it around organically and making it make sense. But there's just no way the showrunners are going to throw a random new romance into the mix in the 11th hour of the series with 2 of its MAIN leads. Its honestly just bad business sense. And storywise, after last season's tear jerking finale, steering the show away from Delena in any way would be completely OOC and illogical for all of the characters involved. There's no way she show could possibly end in anything other than chaos and soap opera drama if they go in that direction at all at this point. Damon and Bonnie would be hated by everyone, Elena would probably kill them both and then kill herself. Or Jeremy would kill them both and then himself. Or everyone would just end up alone and hating each other. Can anyone honestly see any other LOGICAL outcomes for a storyline that involves Elena's best friend having a relationship with the love of her life? And the Damon that we have been given on this show has made it pretty clear, he's a one woman man. He loved Katherine for 145 years ... He's going to love Elena a lot longer than that. Bamon is not happening. Anyways, that's how I feel. I totally agree with you and you pointed out very clearly why it's not possible. Good job! There will be plenty of angst for Delena when Damon comes back and maybe Bonnie will be his cheerleader now and not as neutral as she has been lately and all of that is good because I think Elena will be afraid to let herself love him completely for a little while once he's back just because she thought he was dead and that whole storyline has to play itself out and it's enough to get us through this season. I see Elena struggling with letting herself feel that deeply in love with him again and lots of tears and even anger on her part because he left her even though she knows he had no choice. There's really no room for any Bamon romance especially if this is the last season and even if it isn't, it can be stretched out a little longer before Delena is fully reunited wholeheartedly. It seems clear what the end game is going to be with some hurdles thrown in there as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 15:04:35 GMT -5
Going back to what you said you see from a show perspective in regards to Bamon's romantic relationship makes sense and is logical because no where in the show has it ever been stated or were made to believe that Damon and Bonnie have romantic feelings for each other. With Caroline it has never come out that she loves Stefan, but we have obvious hints between the two. Moments where they hang out, talk to each other, signs of jealously etc. things that Bamon don't have.
I feel a lot of the people clamoring that there is any form of romantics in the show between Bamon are fans who have read the books and trying to mesh the two relationships together. Strictly show fans have in no way been lead to believe that anything romantic was ever brewing between the characters of Damon and Bonnie. Bamon is not a very popular pairing in the TVD fandom and that's partly because of the lack of development. Steroline also wasn't popular until it got more focus and is now heading towards a romantic storyline.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Jul 28, 2014 20:20:31 GMT -5
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: when Julie was asked during the early days of Vampire Dairies (season 1 - 2) whether Bamon would happen, she stated that if Bamon happened it would be around S5, which would suggest that she is right on tarket, since the finale for S5 ended with Damon and Bonnie going into the light.
Interestingly, it is also around book 5, that Bonnie and Damon's feelings became more and more apparent to the readers, even though in terms of the characters themselves they were still unaware of just what these conflicting feeling were. Elena and Stefan only became aware that Bonnie loved Damon in book 7, when Bonnie was sobbing over the dying Damon.
But because of the books three original fandoms existed, SE, DE and DB, since SE and DE have already happened, on the show, the last remaining pairing is DB. What JP means by things having to be organic, in regards to pairing, it is the individuals involved that can make or break a pairing. The same goes for friendships, Aleric and Damon's friendship grow organically and it was purely down to the interactions of Matt and Ian. DE also grew organally to the point it over took SE and made a nonsense out of the triangle, again it came down to the interactions between Ian and Nina.
So now S6 opens with a mystery, where are Damon and Bonnie? JP and the TVD cast have been very careful not to let one single spoiler slip, and for the first time since TVD began, everyone is working blind in regards to this storyline. In what way Damon and Bonnie will grow organically will be down to both Ian and Kat, however, that said they already have a good foundation to build on, because just like Ian shares a close friendship with Paul, he also shares a close friendship with Kat, and they can use that to build on..................
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Post by beangelic1000 on Jul 28, 2014 20:39:38 GMT -5
In regards to the statement made by Elena 'I think he kind of loves her' it has no baring on the fact that Dmaon went to find Bonnie because he felt she was the only one who could help Elena in her grief over Jeremy's death and that was his sole purpose. The reason why I say this....Because Damon didn't make the statement, Elena did. That puts an entirely different reflection on things. It implies that despite whatever, Damon says and does in regards to Bonnie, Elena saw through it. Elena is the one who knows Damon doesn't hate Bonnie, which is why she made the statement in the first place. Even Stefan his own brother felt that Damon didn't like Bonnie, it took Elena to tell him otherwise.
Book Damon and TV Damon share one thing in common, whenever, they did things for the gang they made it clear it was all for Elena because they didn't want the gang to know that they cared, therefore, they would sheild themselves by letting the gang (books, Bonnie, Matt, Meredith), (show, Bonnie, Matt, Jeremy, Caroline, Liz, Aleric, etc) know it was because of Elena. In order of saving they would go by priority and that is whom they cared the most about and down the list to whom they cared the least about. On the show its Caroline who is way down on the list, in the books it was Caroline again since she wasn't that close to Elena. When Damon hugged Bonnie on that Island it had nothing to do with Elena, he was genuinely glad to see her, he did it of his own accord. The same thing when he hugged Jeremy on at least two occasions, he cared.
Damon likes to pretend that he doesn't care about anyone other then Elena, but he does care and Elena knows he does, and sees right through all the defences that he puts up around everyone else. Therefore, maybe this is the side of Damon that Bonnie is going to see which changes her views about him, and she'll see him in an entirely different light as to what motivates him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 22:01:59 GMT -5
As far as JP and the interviews in regards to Damon/Bonnie, they give off more of the impression of the mystery of what happened to them, where they are, and the consequences of their return. That seems to be the big mystery JP wants to keep under wraps. JP barely mentions anything about Bonnie and Damon's relationship in general romantic or friendship wise. Kinda why it's getting speculated since JP really hasn't given us anything yet lol
But I'm with everyone else in saying that it's way too late in the show to drastically change up the relationship dynamics. TVD is nearing it's end according to JP and Damon will not suddenly love Bonnie in the span of six episodes (give or take). Mutual respect and friendship is the most this ship can gain.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 29, 2014 13:39:02 GMT -5
Even in the books Damon is not in love with Bonnie. He's fond of her because she's crushing on him big time and that's all I ever got out of their relationship. Bamons see what they want to see. Damon loves Elena...period...and if we're going off anything JP said how about that Damon will never love anyone else again but Elena and she said that very recently.
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 29, 2014 17:35:37 GMT -5
I see unlikely friendship and respect but that is it. I am worried about how they (Ian for sure) keep talking about new dynamics and relationships. That does not sound like DE screen time. Exploring budding Bamon friendship is not interesting to me no matter how much actors are looking forward to it.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 29, 2014 18:18:54 GMT -5
I see unlikely friendship and respect but that is it. I am worried about how they (Ian for sure) keep talking about new dynamics and relationships. That does not sound like DE screen time. Exploring budding Bamon friendship is not interesting to me no matter how much actors are looking forward to it. I guess I'll have to wait and see on that one. I think some banter between those two could be interesting. I mean they have to do 'something' with them while we wait for them to find their way back to MF which hopefully will be VERY soon. I'm sure the 4 month time jump is so that it can be, yet still seem like forever to the characters. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 6:38:20 GMT -5
I'm all for a Bamon friendship especially if it puts one more of Elena's friends on Damon's side of things. After Bamon spends that time together, I will find it incredibly stupid if it's back to the same judgey dynamics where everyone thinks Elena's crazy for leaving Stefan and that Damon's evil etc. and Bonnie is right there with everyone with the same critisms.
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Post by missmystic on Jul 30, 2014 8:19:20 GMT -5
I'm all for a Bamon friendship especially if it puts one more of Elena's friends on Damon's side of things. After Bamon spends that time together, I will find it incredibly stupid if it's back to the same judgey dynamics where everyone thinks Elena's crazy for leaving Stefan and that Damon's evil etc. and Bonnie is right there with everyone with the same critisms. Agreed. I wouldn't even mind if the IDEA of Damon and Bonnie being alone together for so long and forming a bond maybe caused some tension for a few people. Like maybe Jeremy would feel threatened, and Elena could be hurt and frustrated that her best friend had all that time with the man she loves while she was suffering, thinking he was dead. As long as neither Damon nor Bonnie ever give even the slightest impression that their feelings towards each other are anything more than friendship and mutual respect, that will make sense. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 30, 2014 22:16:02 GMT -5
I think Ian wishes that Bamon could replace Delena, (and Nina) but it won't so he might as well stop talking about it so much. If the producers actually did it they'd kill the show off for certain but in these last days who the heck knows who they want to keep happy more, us or Ian. Sorry Ian but I don't want Bamon...never have, never will so keep kissing your ex and tough it out because that's what the fans want! It's got to be a for real nightmare for him because of how many fans still mix up real life with fiction and he can't seem to escape it. I hope he learned NOT to date your co-workers once and for all! But the only one really talking about Bamon is Ian and he doesn't get to decide.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 7:13:34 GMT -5
Ian's likely excited that he does get to work with Kat some more since Bamon gets so little of the screentime as it is in comparison to working with Stefan, Elena, and Jeremy. So it's just a new dynamic to work with. Though some fans are getting freaked out/misinterperating all this Bamon talk when Ian himself has already made statements in regards to DE that Damon would take off his ring and walk in the sun.
Also it seems like people are forgetting how exactly TVD does relationships. Characters don't just get slapped together over the course of a few episodes, unless it's a fling (Stelena doesn't count considering obligatory triangle status) Even a ship like Klaroline surprisingly had buildup over the course of two seasons. A ship that some just consider fanservice.
And before this gets said, I won't consider the time jump as some form of development filler as that just seems like a cheap plot device and I want to see them interacting, not be told how they interacted.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Aug 1, 2014 19:20:00 GMT -5
I believe there are a few very important things everyone has to remember. We were told these things at the end of season 5, and throughout the hietus, and that is......Everything that went before is no longer, S6 is going to be a total reset, that means the dynamics the gang once had is going to be changed, new dynamics and new relationshps are going to be formed and moved forward with, what happened in/from S1 to S5 no longer applies and that includes what was stated, because they are not going to make an ounce of difference from here on in.......
S6 has been given a reboot and old dynamics will be changed. S6 is a do over, the scriptwriters now have a blank slate to work with.... all relationships whether they be a romantic one or based in friendship are going to be taken in any direction they want, and everything is going to depend on how organic these relationships are as to which status they will be given.
Everything about S6 is going to be different.......
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Post by beangelic1000 on Aug 1, 2014 19:57:08 GMT -5
Remember the past, when SE thought that DE was fan service and everything was geared towards them.  How things changed.......... SE'rs made the mistake of thinking that DE was all about fan service. |
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