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Post by Doppelgänger on Aug 1, 2014 20:37:15 GMT -5
Remember the past, when SE thought that DE was fan service and everything was geared towards them.  How things changed.......... SE'rs made the mistake of thinking that DE was all about fan service. Have you jumped ship on us?  There's a HUGE difference between Bamon and Delena. Delena was always part of the triangle of the three main characters. Delena was being built as a couple since episode one even if the Stelenas refused to see it. Delena has had huge growth from where they started to now and every place in between including tons of screen time together. Bamon has had almost zero screen time together and close to none alone, until now, which admittedly they'll have to get some more but it's not going to miraculously make them fall in love with each other. Only recently have they actively stopped actually seeming to despise one another and are more neutral toward one another.
Now in season six do you seriously believe they are going to become a couple? Damon is going to what...just forget about Elena? The guy who loved Katherine sight unseen for 145 years is just going to forget about the love of his life? Bonnie is going to fall out of love with Jeremy? I mean c'mon! This is total Bamon propaganda right here with absolutely nothing to back it up at all or is there some nice list of points you can give us that prove Bamon is actually anything but frenemies like they've always seemed to be?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 20:41:20 GMT -5
I honestly don't know how the SE's or any other fans for that matter could think DE was fanservice. The show was advertised as a love triangle, a girl torn between two brothers. To think that DE had no chance of happening at all was just ignorant thinking in itself. This wasn't something like Klaroline where Damon was introduced nearly three seasons later just to start romance drama.
Bamon is not part of the triangle at all, and like with other pairings not apart of the main trio like Forwood, Jalaric etc. it does not get quite the focus that Stelena and Delena do.
Regardless of what SE's have said, from the first season to season's five finale, look how far DE has come and where it is now. Bamon has yet to have anything even remotely significant to even hint that the two in the party have romantic feelings for each other.
I still get the feeling that some of these comparisons between Delena and Bamon don't really work. It's not like Bamon has had moments where the two have shared a romantic/intimate moment or something and we're flat out denying that as SE's have done with Delena. That's just SE's being in denial. Bamon has had nothing of the sort, so it isn't too crazy why there are plenty of fans who don't see Bamon happening at all.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Aug 1, 2014 20:50:03 GMT -5
I honestly don't know how the SE's or any other fans for that matter could think DE was fanservice. The show was advertised as a love triangle, a girl torn between two brothers. To think that DE had no chance of happening at all was just ignorant thinking in itself. This wasn't something like Klaroline where Damon was introduced nearly three seasons later just to start romance drama.
Bamon is not part of the triangle at all, and like with other pairings not apart of the main trio like Forwood, Jalaric etc. it does not get quite the focus that Stelena and Delena do.
Regardless of what SE's have said, from the first season to season's five finale, look how far DE has come and where it is now. Bamon has yet to have anything even remotely significant to even hint that the two in the party have romantic feelings for each other.
I still get the feeling that some of these comparisons between Delena and Bamon don't really work. It's not like Bamon has had moments where the two have shared a romantic/intimate moment or something and we're flat out denying that as SE's have done with Delena. That's just SE's being in denial. Bamon has had nothing of the sort, so it isn't too crazy why there are plenty of fans who don't see Bamon happening at all. Right and they say DEs are 'afraid' of Bamon happening. How? What should make us afraid? Where is the evidence that they have ever been even attracted to each other. Damon, the flirt, had on occasion attempted to seduce Bonnie into doing what he wants but she was having none of that and usually gave him a hard headache instead. Gotta love her for that...but my point is, where is this so called ship? Where can we actually see it? What do we have to be afraid of? I see nothing! If anything I've seen disgust on the part of Bonnie and I think Kat was right when she said they have zero chemistry. I find it humorous at best and fun the way she slaps him down but I see no chemistry or hint of attraction going on there...zero....none....nada....zilch! And it's not like they couldn't have buried it in places. They could have had Bonnie inquire more of Elena what it was like kissing Damon and made her seem interested to really know and Elena could have caught a wiff of it and asked why she was so interested....easy easy stuff they could have done to show Bonnie becoming attracted to Damon but they never did it. This is why I don't believe Bamon exists and if they try to force it out of thin air it will be laughable at best and ruin some characters at worst. At the very VERY best Bamon could be characterized as Delena in season one but it took 5 seasons for Delena to develop and we don't have five seasons for Bamon to develop nor are either of them available and not already in love with someone else. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 21:41:27 GMT -5
I honestly don't know how the SE's or any other fans for that matter could think DE was fanservice. The show was advertised as a love triangle, a girl torn between two brothers. To think that DE had no chance of happening at all was just ignorant thinking in itself. This wasn't something like Klaroline where Damon was introduced nearly three seasons later just to start romance drama.
Bamon is not part of the triangle at all, and like with other pairings not apart of the main trio like Forwood, Jalaric etc. it does not get quite the focus that Stelena and Delena do.
Regardless of what SE's have said, from the first season to season's five finale, look how far DE has come and where it is now. Bamon has yet to have anything even remotely significant to even hint that the two in the party have romantic feelings for each other.
I still get the feeling that some of these comparisons between Delena and Bamon don't really work. It's not like Bamon has had moments where the two have shared a romantic/intimate moment or something and we're flat out denying that as SE's have done with Delena. That's just SE's being in denial. Bamon has had nothing of the sort, so it isn't too crazy why there are plenty of fans who don't see Bamon happening at all. Right and they say DEs are 'afraid' of Bamon happening. How? What should make us afraid? Where is the evidence that they have ever been even attracted to each other. Damon, the flirt, had on occasion attempted to seduce Bonnie into doing what he wants but she was having none of that and usually gave him a hard headache instead. Gotta love her for that...but my point is, where is this so called ship? Where can we actually see it? What do we have to be afraid of? I see nothing! If anything I've seen disgust on the part of Bonnie and I think Kat was right when she said they have zero chemistry. I find it humorous at best and fun the way she slaps him down but I see no chemistry or hint of attraction going on there...zero....none....nada....zilch! And it's not like they couldn't have buried it in places. They could have had Bonnie inquire more of Elena what it was like kissing Damon and made her seem interested to really know and Elena could have caught a wiff of it and asked why she was so interested....easy easy stuff they could have done to show Bonnie becoming attracted to Damon but they never did it. This is why I don't believe Bamon exists and if they try to force it out of thin air it will be laughable at best and ruin some characters at worst. At the very VERY best Bamon could be characterized as Delena in season one but it took 5 seasons for Delena to develop and we don't have five seasons for Bamon to develop nor are either of them available and not already in love with someone else. To add onto what you said about there being hints, if the writers wanted, they could have easily made rifts between Elena and Bonnie over Damon. If this was early season 1/2 where Elena was still mistrustful of Damon, instead of having all the girls give Damon the evil eye, Bonnie could have sensed that Damon wasn't dangerous, with her witch powers or something.
Alternatively there could have been conflict between Damon and Jeremy. Damon frustrated that Jeremy isn't doing his best to keep Bonnie out of harms way. Just simple things like this that could have built up over the season. But instead we really don't get anything like that. If anything Steroline seems to have gotten that 'underground' treatment. So now it can happen without people scratching their heads or feeling like it's coming out of left field as there have been moments that alluded to more than friendship with Caroline. The writers just seemed to not really care much about Bamon romantic wise or even friendship wise, after sometime in season 2.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 21:51:52 GMT -5
Also beangelic, I'm really interested in hearing your view in regards to Bamon happening. As in what are you seeing throughout the seasons that we aren't that hints to Damon and Bonnie happening romantically. I haven't really seen much examples or evidence from the show in your posts to support this notion which is why I still stand by the same argument that the show hasn't hinted at anything and that Bamon will not happen romantically out of the blue.
But let's not confuse this in the sense that nothing at all will develop with Bamon. While I don't see a romantic relationship, I do see a friendship. I mean for them to experience that together and come back for Bonnie to still roll her eyes at the mention of Damon or Delena won't make a lick of sense at all lol |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Aug 1, 2014 23:47:05 GMT -5
Yes even Steroline has had more build up with Caroline falling for Stefan right away and talking about their June wedding only to be crushed by Stefan telling her it was never gonna happen...nothing like that has happened with Bamon at all.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Aug 9, 2014 7:54:41 GMT -5
I'm just going to throw this out there for discussion because it just occurred to me that it might be part of the problem we're seeing lately with the fandom. Do you think Ian talking about the possibility of Bamon is affecting how some fans view him? Lately he's been getting a lot of hate due to his choice of girlfriend, but perhaps it's two fold and also because he isn't promoting Delena and is instead talking about Bamon, which we know that DE fans are mostly against. The other side of the DE fandom (predominantly Nina fans) may feel slighted by that and it is the Nina DE fans that are on the attack. What do you think? Overall from what I've seen most Ian DE fans aren't too worried about any possibility of Bamon and just blow off Ian's words to typical Ian talking his nonsense. He loves to troll the fandom by saying controversial things but some people are getting really angry with him lately.
Conversely there are a small (but growing) number of Ian DE fans that are sick of all the drama and want him as far away from Nina as possible and that includes giving up Delena and/or being OK with Bamon if it happens. I'm seeing more and more of this. For some people it is increasingly hard to separate Ian and Nina from Delena and their dislike for the drama taints how they view Delena on the show. These people are the ones I'm seeing start to turn more toward "anyone but Nina," for Ian on the show.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 8:23:51 GMT -5
Yeah I think any hardcore shippers of any ship will attack the actors/writers whoever when things aren't looking up for their ship. Those are just the fans that take it overboard.
As for Ian's talk of Bamon, I can see how DE fans will feel a little worried. It's really only now that Ian is talking so much Bamon and given the circumstances of where Bonnie and Damon are, some shippers will feel like there's a chance that things can change in the dynamics since Ian's so excited, plus all the Nian drama to add on top of that.
Even some of the DE fans on this board have felt a bit concerned with Ian's talk of Bamon. Again after family dog and Ian smiling while saying Elena's first vamp sex wouldn't be with Damon, I take Ian's interviews with a grain of salt.
Though I don't understand all the worry since it's not like Ian said anything about Damon and Bonnie getting into a relationship. It's mainly about his excitement to work with Kat mor. He obviously won't be all 'Ugh I have to work with Kat. This sucks.' lol
As for the other drama, it's probably just the hardcore Nian fans doing the attacking, especially at the new girlfriend and whanot. I follow a lot of Delena fans who are fans of the actors as well and I don't see any drama of Nina vs Ian fans unless I specifically go to the Nian tag of course.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Aug 9, 2014 14:16:40 GMT -5
Yeah I think any hardcore shippers of any ship will attack the actors/writers whoever when things aren't looking up for their ship. Those are just the fans that take it overboard. As for Ian's talk of Bamon, I can see how DE fans will feel a little worried. It's really only now that Ian is talking so much Bamon and given the circumstances of where Bonnie and Damon are, some shippers will feel like there's a chance that things can change in the dynamics since Ian's so excited, plus all the Nian drama to add on top of that. Even some of the DE fans on this board have felt a bit concerned with Ian's talk of Bamon. Again after family dog and Ian smiling while saying Elena's first vamp sex wouldn't be with Damon, I take Ian's interviews with a grain of salt. Though I don't understand all the worry since it's not like Ian said anything about Damon and Bonnie getting into a relationship. It's mainly about his excitement to work with Kat mor. He obviously won't be all 'Ugh I have to work with Kat. This sucks.' lol As for the other drama, it's probably just the hardcore Nian fans doing the attacking, especially at the new girlfriend and whanot. I follow a lot of Delena fans who are fans of the actors as well and I don't see any drama of Nina vs Ian fans unless I specifically go to the Nian tag of course. No he's joked around about Bamon sex here and there which gives the Bamon fans hope but I think they are putting way too much into what Ian says given his history of trolling the fans, besides the unlikelihood that they would do an about face with Delena and go in a Bamon direction when Damon and Elena are so deeply in love and have had their love cut short. It's much more likely that we will see Damon frustrated and pining about not being able to be with Elena and I think that Bonnie will see just how much he loves her and gain a new appreciation for him due to that. It's not very likely that Elena best friend and Elena's boyfriend would suddenly start falling for each other romantically forgetting all about her. I'm sure the Stelena's would love that, but it's not going to happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 17:21:04 GMT -5
Yeah I think any hardcore shippers of any ship will attack the actors/writers whoever when things aren't looking up for their ship. Those are just the fans that take it overboard. As for Ian's talk of Bamon, I can see how DE fans will feel a little worried. It's really only now that Ian is talking so much Bamon and given the circumstances of where Bonnie and Damon are, some shippers will feel like there's a chance that things can change in the dynamics since Ian's so excited, plus all the Nian drama to add on top of that. Even some of the DE fans on this board have felt a bit concerned with Ian's talk of Bamon. Again after family dog and Ian smiling while saying Elena's first vamp sex wouldn't be with Damon, I take Ian's interviews with a grain of salt. Though I don't understand all the worry since it's not like Ian said anything about Damon and Bonnie getting into a relationship. It's mainly about his excitement to work with Kat mor. He obviously won't be all 'Ugh I have to work with Kat. This sucks.' lol As for the other drama, it's probably just the hardcore Nian fans doing the attacking, especially at the new girlfriend and whanot. I follow a lot of Delena fans who are fans of the actors as well and I don't see any drama of Nina vs Ian fans unless I specifically go to the Nian tag of course. No he's joked around about Bamon sex here and there which gives the Bamon fans hope but I think they are putting way too much into what Ian says given his history of trolling the fans, besides the unlikelihood that they would do an about face with Delena and go in a Bamon direction when Damon and Elena are so deeply in love and have had their love cut short. It's much more likely that we will see Damon frustrated and pining about not being able to be with Elena and I think that Bonnie will see just how much he loves her and gain a new appreciation for him due to that. It's not very likely that Elena best friend and Elena's boyfriend would suddenly start falling for each other romantically forgetting all about her. I'm sure the Stelena's would love that, but it's not going to happen. Yeah and Ian knows as much as the fans do until he gets the scripts. All the actors have interviews in where they talk about how they feel their character will react/do in certain situations. Candice has always never really been for Steroline in her interviews, feeling that Caroline views him as a friend only and now look where the storyline is headed. Only interviews by JP herself should be taken literally as she is the headwriter, and even then it's what we see and experience on the show itself and Bamon barely has any impact in comparison to Delena's development. |
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Post by samjhart on Jan 26, 2015 19:28:58 GMT -5
I'm to lazy to read everyone's posts right now, but I'm just gonna jump in here and say that romantically Bamon may not happen at all on the show. Far be it for me to scream 'conspiracy!' at the writers but there wasn't really any battle to get Bamon (or any other Bonnie ship/relationship) pushed on to screen until past the half of the series. It's gonna be a lot for the writers to cover til the last season - which could only happen if they are heavily focused on. Which of course, won't be the case.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 26, 2015 20:10:33 GMT -5
I'm to lazy to read everyone's posts right now, but I'm just gonna jump in here and say that romantically Bamon may not happen at all on the show. Far be it for me to scream 'conspiracy!' at the writers but there wasn't really any battle to get Bamon (or any other Bonnie ship/relationship) pushed on to screen until past the half of the series. It's gonna be a lot for the writers to cover til the last season - which could only happen if they are heavily focused on. Which of course, won't be the case. Yes, Caroline Dries basically said it won't happen in one of her recent interviews. I don't have it in front of me to quote but it was just a few days ago and I think that pretty much seals the fate on Bamon....at least for now and we probably will only have one season left. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Jan 26, 2015 23:21:51 GMT -5
I don't know how I missed this thread the first time around...darn ittt! Fun stuff in here!
Touching really quick on the Steroline thing - whether or not they intended or knew they would end up there, they at least gave us breadcrumbs so they could have merit to go there if they needed to. Caroline obviously wanted Stefan when he first arrived on the scene and after Elena got him, she kinda dropped it. But, after she turns, Stefan helps her through her transition and that is the point where they start building more on their friendship. Then, beginning in S3, we get a lot more Steroline friendship moments and even Lexi mentions a couple times when she comes back that Care is "her replacement" (first time), and for him to "open his eyes" (second time) eluding that there is more going on there. That left it open for the writers to either drop the romantic vibe and just have them be friends OR build more on that and bring them closer, leading us to where we are now.
THAT was almost 3 seasons in the making! The writers said they can't just throw Stefan with someone new because he was initially part of the triangle and meant to be with Elena. They are easing into it to get the SE's used to the idea. Why would that not ring true for Damon as well? Don't you think they would have to ease him out of this relationship they have built up, and get this huge DE fandom used to the idea of someone other then Elena? Not to mention with someone who he (and Bonnie) has only tolerated up through S4/S5?
I think the only way there will be a Bamon would be a random drunken hookup out of anger from being hurt by Elena, but that would require (1) Bonnie showing she has ANY feelings for him other than friendship so she would reciprocate and (2) Elena basically telling him they aren't going to happen so leave her alone. Even then, I think that would be out of character for Damon. At this point he would just drink heavily or go on a feeding rampage. The last time I remember him having drunk sex with anyone (correct me if I'm wrong) was with Rebekah and that feels like aeons ago.
Also, I think Bamon would have to be eased onto the other characters as well. You think all of their friends would be OK with the two of them dating? We've had some awkward Friendsgivings, but that would take the cake! And I'm pretty sure the witchy spirits would not take too kindly to their Bennett witch dating a vampire - the one thing they loathe most of all the supernatural beings.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 27, 2015 8:41:55 GMT -5
I don't know how I missed this thread the first time around...darn ittt! Fun stuff in here! Touching really quick on the Steroline thing - whether or not they intended or knew they would end up there, they at least gave us breadcrumbs so they could have merit to go there if they needed to. Caroline obviously wanted Stefan when he first arrived on the scene and after Elena got him, she kinda dropped it. But, after she turns, Stefan helps her through her transition and that is the point where they start building more on their friendship. Then, beginning in S3, we get a lot more Steroline friendship moments and even Lexi mentions a couple times when she comes back that Care is "her replacement" (first time), and for him to "open his eyes" (second time) eluding that there is more going on there. That left it open for the writers to either drop the romantic vibe and just have them be friends OR build more on that and bring them closer, leading us to where we are now. THAT was almost 3 seasons in the making! The writers said they can't just throw Stefan with someone new because he was initially part of the triangle and meant to be with Elena. They are easing into it to get the SE's used to the idea. Why would that not ring true for Damon as well? Don't you think they would have to ease him out of this relationship they have built up, and get this huge DE fandom used to the idea of someone other then Elena? Not to mention with someone who he (and Bonnie) has only tolerated up through S4/S5? I think the only way there will be a Bamon would be a random drunken hookup out of anger from being hurt by Elena, but that would require (1) Bonnie showing she has ANY feelings for him other than friendship so she would reciprocate and (2) Elena basically telling him they aren't going to happen so leave her alone. Even then, I think that would be out of character for Damon. At this point he would just drink heavily or go on a feeding rampage. The last time I remember him having drunk sex with anyone (correct me if I'm wrong) was with Rebekah and that feels like aeons ago. Also, I think Bamon would have to be eased onto the other characters as well. You think all of their friends would be OK with the two of them dating? We've had some awkward Friendsgivings, but that would take the cake! And I'm pretty sure the witchy spirits would not take too kindly to their Bennett witch dating a vampire - the one thing they loathe most of all the supernatural beings. All good points and really would a drunken hook-up be what the Bonnie/Bamon fans would want? If they wanted Bamon to be anything other than a mistake or a joke it would take a lot of time to develop them as a couple to do it justice and we just don't have that kind of time anyway. Caroline Dries has basically cut the whole idea off rather bluntly but at least they know and can stop thinking it's going to happen. Like if Delena was never gonna be together I would rather know that...lol She's done them a favor really. If they keep hanging on they have nobody to blame but themselves when it never happens. They quote these raggedy internet blogs from India that run Bamon stories like it's gonna happen and think they are legit. I mean look at the source! That's what keeps them alive and if they only trust those dubious sources and won't listen to the showrunner, well, what can I say? People will believe what they want to hear. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 27, 2015 8:52:14 GMT -5
Aw....here's the quote: vampirediaries.alloyentertainment.com/season-6-delena-steroline-spoilers-12315/
Are there sparks between Damon and Bonnie? “I think it’s a deep profound friendship that he even doesn’t admit is a friendship,” Caroline Dries told ETOnline. “I know there are a lot of eager Bamon fans out there, but for now no. His eyes are on Elena 100 percent.” But fret not, Bamon appreciators, for their friendship will remain intact. “They missed each other!”
So Damon and Elena are going to relive their romance and make new memories and Bamon will be friends. It would take Delena splitting up for good and then some to make Bamon ever happen and it doesn't appear Caroline Dries has any plans for that. Given that it looks like next season is most likely the last, I don't see how it could ever happen at all. |
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There's a HUGE difference between Bamon and Delena. Delena was always part of the triangle of the three main characters. Delena was being built as a couple since episode one even if the Stelenas refused to see it. Delena has had huge growth from where they started to now and every place in between including tons of screen time together. Bamon has had almost zero screen time together and close to none alone, until now, which admittedly they'll have to get some more but it's not going to miraculously make them fall in love with each other. Only recently have they actively stopped actually seeming to despise one another and are more neutral toward one another. 
